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141  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: How to build a reliable BTC Charity Platform? on: April 23, 2013, 05:21:20 AM
it's a pity that he doesn't understand bitcoin...
142  Other / Off-topic / Re: Help lushan - First public bitcoin donation in China for lushan earthquake on: April 23, 2013, 05:20:27 AM
I can talk a bit more about the implications of Xiaolai's experiment here, and why it's worth doing for its own sake: there are high financial barriers restricting money flow from/into China(no international credit card acceptance, paypal operates separated from its other branches, etc), this, combined with the facts that it's simply practically impossible to register a charity organization accepting foreign donations without heavy government interference(even government employees have difficulties getting permission for receiving foreign grants--they may suspect that you will work as an agent for foreign anti-CCP organizations, yes I know, incredible isn't it?) and government-sanctioned "charity" organizations are so hopelessly corrupt that the state-operated Red Cross is actually one of the most hated organizations in China, has prevented foreign donations from going to those they are intended to help.

With Bitcoin, this financial barrier can be effectively circumvented, any trustworthy individual can accept donations from anywhere in the world, something no other payment method can achieve currently. SO Xiaolai is eesentially going to set a precedent with his actions.

YES, this is a PRECEDENT.
143  Other / Off-topic / Re: Help lushan - First public bitcoin donation in China for lushan earthquake on: April 22, 2013, 01:17:55 PM
Thank you for trusting me.
144  Other / Off-topic / Re: Help lushan - First public bitcoin donation in China for lushan earthquake on: April 22, 2013, 09:47:04 AM
The donation will be terminated after 100 donation received.

as of replying this post, 89 donation received.
145  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: How to build a reliable BTC Charity Platform? on: April 22, 2013, 09:23:08 AM
I think bitcoin is ideal for charity. But there're many predicaments.

First of all, how to prevent others modify bitcoin receiving address when reposting? (it happened when I called for "help lushan donation" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=181336.0 )

You could always GPG-sign the address. Also, you could redirect any givers to the official website, and not sending BTC to random adresses posted on forums and so on.

GPG-signed address! nice solution.
146  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: How to build a reliable BTC Charity Platform? on: April 22, 2013, 08:45:16 AM
first of all. get yourself registered as a charity with your government then people may start seeing you as legit.

second of all. get yourself registered as a charity with your government then people may start seeing you as legit.


The dilemma is that if you're in China, you can hardly get registered as a charity with the government.  Angry
147  Bitcoin / Project Development / How to build a reliable BTC Charity Platform? on: April 22, 2013, 07:45:33 AM
I think bitcoin is ideal for charity. But there're many predicaments.

First of all, how to prevent others modify bitcoin receiving address when reposting? (it happened when I called for "help lushan donation" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=181336.0 )

Secondly, in most cases, charity fund has to be exchanged into a specific currency (other than virtual currency such as BTC or LR) to put into use. How to determine the exchange rate?

Thirdly, what should be the criterion to verify a charity not a scam?

Any suggestions? please help me.
148  Other / Off-topic / Re: Help lushan - First public bitcoin donation in China for lushan earthquake on: April 22, 2013, 06:57:43 AM
Be aware that someone might change the donation receiving address!

Use the address in the original post!
149  Other / Off-topic / Re: I'm call for a BTC donation to help lushan earthquake refugees ... on: April 22, 2013, 02:05:33 AM
thank you all. hope be up to 100 donators today.
150  Local / 中文 (Chinese) / Re: 关于比特币捐助四川雅安的一封信 on: April 21, 2013, 04:30:08 PM
我已经在这里发起了:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=181336.0
受捐明细在这里:http://blockchain.info/fb/15ehgb
151  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: China earthquake disaster (Ya'an7.0 earthquake), Bitcoin donations---please help on: April 21, 2013, 04:29:43 PM
I have started a donation yesterday: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=181336.0

donation details: http://blockchain.info/fb/15ehgb
152  Other / Off-topic / Re: I'm call for a BTC donation to help lushan earthquake refugees ... on: April 21, 2013, 01:08:58 PM
I hate to be so negative (seems like that's happened a lot with me lately).  But how can we confirm this money will reach it's way to the victims who need it ?   Not saying I doubt the OP but I would need some more evidence before I donated something like bitcoin to someone I don't know.  Lots of charity scams in China as I'm sure the OP would agree with, I feel like bitcoin would make it a heck of a lot easier to run such a charity scam.

I respect and appreciate anyone looking to donate money to help out any of the victims,  for me personally though I'm going to stick with one of the more well established charity groups in this situation.

I understand your doubt.

But please TRUST me, I'm not an anonymous guy, I have always been using my real name in this community, or any other online community, (lixiaolai, xiaolai, 李笑来, 笑来;lixiaolai.com,twitter ID: @xiaolai)。

I think I CANNOT get an amount of donation larger than my reputation.

I personally don't doubt you. But you never know, especially when dealing without people online instead of face to face.  Bitcoin itself also raises some problems when it comes to charity and donations.  Just another example of one of the growing pains of bitcoin I suppose.

If/when you're in Beijing I wouldn't mind meeting in person and giving you some RMB instead or if you know of any reliable charaties out here in China I can donate to please let me/us know.  Anyways, thanks for your efforts and I hope you understand my doubts about charities or the internet or bitcoin and donations isn't anything personal towards you or anyone else.  Unfortunately the internet is full of people posing to be someone or claiming to do something, and it ends up being a scam.

I'd love to meet you in person! I'm going back to Beijing right now, on a train...

I'll send a private message to you, and give you my mobile number.
153  Other / Off-topic / Re: I'm call for a BTC donation to help lushan earthquake refugees ... on: April 21, 2013, 11:19:38 AM
I hate to be so negative (seems like that's happened a lot with me lately).  But how can we confirm this money will reach it's way to the victims who need it ?   Not saying I doubt the OP but I would need some more evidence before I donated something like bitcoin to someone I don't know.  Lots of charity scams in China as I'm sure the OP would agree with, I feel like bitcoin would make it a heck of a lot easier to run such a charity scam.

I respect and appreciate anyone looking to donate money to help out any of the victims,  for me personally though I'm going to stick with one of the more well established charity groups in this situation.

I understand your doubt.

But please TRUST me, I'm not an anonymous guy, I have always been using my real name in this community, or any other online community, (lixiaolai, xiaolai, 李笑来, 笑来;lixiaolai.com,twitter ID: @xiaolai)。

I think I CANNOT get an amount of donation larger than my reputation.
154  Other / Off-topic / Re: I'm call for a BTC donation to help lushan earthquake refugees ... on: April 21, 2013, 09:21:44 AM
69 donations received.
155  Local / 中文 (Chinese) / Re: 我发起了为芦山地震捐款(BTC)的活动 on: April 21, 2013, 04:52:46 AM
我刚刚还在想,08年你用的是 Paypal, 现在该用 Bitcoin 了吧。

可惜我手头 Bitcoin 实在太少(不足五个),否则一定考虑用 Bitcoin 捐。

捐0.1也是捐。不在乎数量。

我觉得,更有意义的是有多少人用比特币捐款。
156  Other / Off-topic / Re: I'm call for a BTC donation to help lushan earthquake refugees ... on: April 20, 2013, 11:17:25 PM
thank you!

beautiful design!
157  Other / Off-topic / Re: I'm call for a BTC donation to help lushan earthquake refugees ... on: April 20, 2013, 03:34:38 PM
Thank you all, we have almost 30 donations received! within several hours... Smiley
158  Local / 中文 (Chinese) / 我发起了为芦山地震捐款(BTC)的活动 on: April 20, 2013, 12:49:10 PM
具体内容在这里:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=181336

等我回北京之后再抽空做一个详细的中文文档。

我在新浪微博上发了一条信息,请转发:http://www.weibo.com/1576218000/zt38S3rkB

我在HackerNews上发了一条链接,请大家去留言,将此条顶起……hackernews上有很多用比特币的人:https://news.ycombinator.com/newest

我在twitter上发了一条信息,请转发:http://twitter.com/xiaolai/status/325564842612240384

159  Other / Off-topic / Re: I'm call for a BTC donation to help lushan earthquake refugees ... on: April 20, 2013, 12:25:52 PM
i request all people seeking donations for charity causes to go through bitcoin 100.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=52543.0

With their proposals of how the funds will be spend as well as how you are personally linked to the area involved to ensure the majority of funds get spent at the area and not on plane tickets and hotel rooms, car hire etc.

then you will see if your scheme is valid you will get much more investment.




Thank you! I'll follow your suggestion.
160  Other / Off-topic / Help lushan - First public bitcoin donation in China for lushan earthquake on: April 20, 2013, 10:43:23 AM
Caution: Be aware that someone might change the donation receiving address of bitcoin when reposting elsewhere!

The donation address is: 15EhGBC8JBBVDKQ9yp1AqCb1xnzQLk6QHX

Check details here: http://blockchain.info/fb/15ehgb

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2013.4.22 17:48

The donation will be terminated after 100 donation received.

2013.4.23 21:09
100 donations received, the goal achieved, this charity donation is terminated.


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A powerful earthquake jolted China's Sichuan province Saturday near where a devastating quake struck five years ago, killing at least 70 people and leaving more than 2,000 hurt, prompting worries the death toll will climb.

USAToday: Earthquake in China leaves 113 dead, 2,600 injured (updating):
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/04/19/chinas-sichuan-earthquake/2098249/

FoxNews: More than 100 dead after earthquake strikes China's Sichuan region
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/04/20/at-least-2-killed-after-earthquake-strikes-china-sichuan-region/

I'm an early user of Bitcoin (since 2011, not that early...), and I have been supporting bitcoin culture openly in China from the very beginning.
My blog is lixiaolai.com, (older archive was moved to wordpress.lixiaolai.com). Here's my first post on Bitcoin in May, 23, 2011:

此物一出天下反 (it was born to subvert)http://wordpress.lixiaolai.com/archives/10589.html

I'm calling for a BTC donation to help lushan earthquake refugees ...

HELP LUSHAN!

I have a good public reputation in China online community, since I'm a famous teacher, and a writer of several popular books, and financially independent.

This is the donation receiving address (a new wallet created):

15EhGBC8JBBVDKQ9yp1AqCb1xnzQLk6QHX

anyone can see donation records here: http://blockchain.info/fb/15ehgb

... and after going back to beijing (I'm on a short trip in Nanjing) tomorrow night, I'll launch a website for donation as soon as possible, and keep every expense updated online.

Thank you all, I'll keep you posted.

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2013.4.20, 18:49

Any suggestion? please help me!

2013.4.20, 18:49

for Chinese BTC users: Do NOT buy BTC from any exchange center in China, since the price is relatively high. If you don't have any BTC, please donate money through other means.
中国BTC用户: 请不要在国内任何交易中心购买比特币作为捐款,因为国内交易所的价格溢价过高。如果你没有比特币,请使用其它方式捐款。除了我们之外,还有很多其它渠道捐款。

2013.4.20, 20:29
Thanks franky1, I hereby promise that all funds will get spent at the area, and no fund will be spent on plane tickets, hotel rooms, care hire etc...

2013.4.20, 20:46
now confirmed, the first donation is 0.841342 BTC, from one of my friends.

first donation from unknown received: 0.035BTC

Quote
Status: 0/unconfirmed
Date: 13-4-20 20:37
From: unknown
To: 15EhGBC8JBBVDKQ9yp1AqCb1xnzQLk6QHX (own address, label: lushan-btc-donation)
Credit: 0.035 BTC
Net amount: +0.035 BTC
Transaction ID: 6277ff138f181c8c5272b439f5d699fdbf9caf4120075bd03d81753f69988224
[/s]

2013.4.20, 21:18

Since China is of a country with restrict financial regulation (it is not allowed to sell/exchange "virtual currency" into RMB without specific license), I originally planned use my own RMB deposit.

However, one of my friend proposed a workaround:

Quote
you can organize a charity auction...

and instantly, another friend proposed that he could forge 3D printed "coins" as auction targets...

It seems a nice solution, since by such a manner, the donation could be amplified...

any more suggestions?

2013.4.21, 12:36

63 donations, 20.15481305 BTC in Total.

2013.4.21, 19:14

This is the first time I organize a charity donation.
这是我第一次组织慈善募捐。

I hereby promise that all funds will be spent on rehabilitation of lushan.
我在此保证,所有的善款都用于芦山灾后重建。

No fund will be spent on alleged charity management, such as travelling tickets, hotel rooms, etc. I’ll personally cover such costs.
绝无任何款项用于所谓的善款管理,诸如交通费用,住宿费用等等。我将独自承担此类开销。

I will not spend any fund directly, since I’m not a professional in such an area. I’ll find a professional and trustable individual or organization (NOT including Red Cross of China), and have them take over the fund spending.
因为我并非此领域里的专家,所以我绝不会直接花费这些善款。我将找到一个值得信赖的个人或者机构(绝不可能是中国红十字会),将善款交由他们处理。

Private charity donation is not as simple and easy as imagined in China. Please keep patient.
私人慈善募捐在中国并非想象得那么简单和容易。请务必保持耐心。

The reasons why I chose Bitcoin as donation currency is:
我选择比特币作为募捐工具的理由是:

Bitcoin is ideal for international donation, since bitcoin transactions is faster, and less troublesome than that of any “real currency”.
比特币是理想的国际捐赠工具,因为它的“转账”非常快,相比任何“真实货币”来说,更少麻烦。


I’ll further organize private/public auction meetings with physically 3D printed BITCOIN (tokens of remembrance) as auction targets, by which we could amplify the amount of funds.
我将进一步组织私下的以及公开的拍卖会,将募集到的比特币通过3D打印方式制作成纪念品,进行拍卖,以便进一步放大募集金额。

In case the auction is not successful, I’ll use my personal RMB deposit to cash the funds out.
万一拍卖会并不成功,我将用自己的人民币存款将那些比特币折现。

I hereby promise the exchange rate of BTC from donation is set to the highest price (MtGox USD) within the period of donation.
我在此保证,最终折现汇率将以捐款活动期间最高汇率(MtGox USD)计算。

As of this editing time, 22.92700228 BTC received, 71 transactions of donations. THANK YOU ALL.

2013.4.22 10:14

85 donations, 24.17135348 BTC




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