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141  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: This will change Bitcoin as you know it. on: January 25, 2012, 08:47:36 PM
Looks well formatted. I just get a godaddy parking page when I click the link you provided though.

Get off godaddy.

#NoDaddy

Use namecheap.com (AntiSOPA) or internet.bs (sends DMCA to you, ignores threats)

142  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Death of Bitcoin? "Here Comes the National Internet" on: January 14, 2012, 08:11:55 PM
Will not happen.

I still can't believe SOPA and PIPA will pass (god I hope I'm right).
Call me a silly optimistic, but I believe the world is moving towards a better, more free place.

It's fun to stay at Gitmo Hooray!
I got a free ticket in because of NDAA
143  Economy / Marketplace / Re: 0.1 bitcoin give away [workforbitcoin.com] on: January 12, 2012, 07:00:14 PM
I'm thinking of doing a craigslist dead simple daylancing site for bitcoins.

Too many freelance sites with stale job offers and employers who don't respond.
144  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: So Bitcoin Leaders what is your position on the ongoing Altcoinocide? on: January 10, 2012, 11:23:36 PM
Everyone should just support Bitcoin...

You. Hafta. Be. Trolling.
145  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: So Bitcoin Leaders what is your position on the ongoing Altcoinocide? on: January 10, 2012, 01:23:27 AM
(my apologies for posting, since I'm not a Bitcoin leader)

The reason I believe this is because I think if we took everyone in
the pool and asked the question, they'd feel that they were taken
advantage of, in the same way you feel fucked in the ass by your
phone company when they charge you every month with random
crap fees you think you never signed up for (when in fact you probably
did, the contract being 20 pages long and written in 5 point font).

In a way, everyone in that pool HAS now been asked that question, and current pool hashing power should reflect their answer.

I WISH I had so many choices in phone companies as miners have in pools! Grin

How many even know?
How many care?

No matter. Whitehat derpxecutions like Luke's tactic will not work in the near future.
146  Other / Off-topic / Re: Game: First person to crack this gets 5 BTC [SOLVED] on: January 09, 2012, 11:56:11 PM
dammit - I practically guessed the model from the fact he said it was encoded not encrypted.

I hate being sick. Can't code challenges :/
147  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: So Bitcoin Leaders what is your position on the ongoing Altcoinocide? on: January 09, 2012, 11:50:09 PM
Oh brother.

Both K & Z fail at logic.

One wants all injuries monetized.
The other wants the mob to decide.

Preventing the operation of a system built by someone else is wrong. However, as long as you are merely disruptive, I may not feel too bad about it. You come out trying to destroy and you will find me to be some quite fierce opposition.

LOGIC is the GLUE not the SUBSTANCE of a DECISION.

Stop using logic as a crutch and actually consider the other person's experience.
148  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [DEAD] Coiledcoin - yet another cryptocurrency, but with OP_EVAL! on: January 09, 2012, 11:40:28 PM
Somehow, an act that caused no economic harm to anyone has everyone in a tremendous uproar. We need a picture of a cat and a car analogy to go with it. Wink

Economic, capital, material harm. If the only harm you can valuate is monetary or physical then we've lost the game already.

:/

You gave me a sad.
149  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The LTC Dark Pool: Boon or Burden? on: January 09, 2012, 07:51:06 PM
The dark pool or pools have been operational since roughly 10 days after the release of Litecoin.  Historically, almost all the LTC mined by the dark pool appears to be immediately released to the market at BTC-e for sale.

The dark pool provides a major advantage to LTC, which is that is is extremely difficult to attack (unless the dark pool chooses to).

On the flip side, there is the inherent problem of, aside from an unlikely 51% attack, these two scenarios:
- The dark pool is being mined by computers infected with trojans (botnet).  The release of virus definitions for these trojans would result in the rapid collapse of the hash rate by 80%, requiring weeks to lower the difficulty.  This is a likely scenario, as the hash rate here does not vary with the price of LTC (as you might expect for someone who has to worry about the costs of electricity).
- The dark pool decides to contract the supply by not bringing any LTC to the market for a long time, hence manipulating the market.  The possibility remains that the dark pool is attempting to assemble as large a mining network as possible before heavily constricting the supply, resulting in only a tiny amount of new coins being mined per day by others.  The result would be massive deflation.

The strange thing is that so far, the dark pool appears to have decided to sell as much as their LTC as possible.  With 80-90% of the mining capacity, the dark pool can act as a "central bank" for LTC; so why are they inflating it so intensely?

See the present dark pool size here: http://pool-x.eu/net

And historic network hash rates here: http://www.litecoinpool.org/charts

Isn't the point of a central bank to inflate for profit and deflate for panic leading to profit in the inflation stage?
150  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Proposal for multigenerational token architecture on: January 09, 2012, 07:48:13 PM
<offended>Who the hell is calling me a whitehat?</offended>
On a more serious note, if you're going to put a hat on me, it'd be some shade of grey, but sure as fuck not white.

Like I said, you are accused of merely disrupting the system. Not breaking it. Unlike Luke.

And even if neither of you did anything, the stink of zealous Dudley Do Rights, with the coordination of Dudley Moore playing a drunk, is way over the limit. The people wanting justice are ignoring the cardinal rule of activism: the troll is more humble than the knight wearing heavy shiny clothing.

Incidentally, what do you think of this natural forking model plus maybe the use of non linear difficulty as both a surge buster and a quickfix for sudden drops?
151  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Security issues in the console client plus use of recovery tools on: January 09, 2012, 06:48:01 PM
After discussion in irc, it is indeed impossible,

What needs to be clarified is the fact that every end point transactions are backtraced to the originating block.

A lot of people miss that. Even when you mention the word confirmation. People think of it as a receipt at the checkout counter, not an actual trace of all transactions involving a given coin.
152  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Security issues in the console client plus use of recovery tools on: January 09, 2012, 06:01:26 PM
I know that. What I will test is a transaction from one account to another. If I can spend it from another wallet, Bitcoin is in trouble.

No it isn't.  Despite all your obfuscate by extracting keys it is no different then this.

Take wallet which has 1 BTC.

Make a copy and install it on another machine = 1 BTC.

Wow I just doubled my money right?  Of course not.  As soon as you spend the 1 BTC from one wallet the value of the other will go to zero.  If you try to spend from both wallets the network will reject one as a double spend.

Your "attacks" are nonsense.

That's not what I'm proposing.

The original wallet does not spend anything. It only transfers within. Once. I really don't think this is going to trigger the double spend filter. No double spend is occurring, the transactions are in series from address to address.

Of course this brings up an after the fact faith buster double spend alarm attack.

I'll attempt this as long as everyone here agrees that it will be for 1 BTC, all documented, and afterwards the 1 BTC will be destroyed.
153  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / More Solidcoin Bashing/Defense (split from Be Safe thread) on: January 09, 2012, 05:47:35 PM
Solidcoin 2.0 is a Scam and Here is Why
Soildcoin 2.0
I am writing this for the crypto-currency newbie who may be looking for information on Solidcoin 2.0. If you are searching Google and researching information on Solidcoin 2.0 and found this I commend you on taking that all important first move.

I also urge you to research this forum for Solidcoin 2.0 and decide if this is something any sane person would delve into once they know the facts.

Issues to research

13,000,000 Solidcoins Pre-Mined

Solidcoin 2.0 has over 13,000,000 pre-mined coins controlled by the lead Solidcoin 2.0 developer Coinhunter. Those pre-mined coins are distributed to 12 "Trusted Nodes" and according to Coinhunter cannot be spent on the open market. Yes Coinhunter's word is all we have. In reality at anytime of his choosing he could simply transfer a bulk of coins to his wallet and trade. Here is a scenario that will scare any exchange of any real volume away. Let's say Solidcoin 2.0 gains parity with the USD or about 0.2 BTC at this posting combined with an exchange that cultivated a market depth of $500,000 to $1 Million USD. This is actually not a very far stretch of possibilities if SC 2.0 would take off.

In this scenario Coinhunter could simply deposit any number of coins and make millions for himself very rapidly. It would cause a huge financial loss for the exchange, as well as crash the market and de-value every Solidcoin (yours) left in existence. But why would he care, he just banked several million USD. Coinhunter has gone to extreme measures to cover his real identity, no one knows who he is or where he really resides. A ruined reputation is meaningless in this situation.

It has puzzled quite a few people as to why Coinhunter would design this built in handicap to adoption, GREED is the only apparent answer. It truly serves no other purpose than for personal enrichment. Solidcoin 2.0 has been rejected by all the credible exchanges including this one for that very reason. 13 million pre-mine is a huge risk and a bogus payout liability that is unacceptable.

Bait & Switch Maneuver
In the days and weeks prior to the Solidcoin launch Coinhunter had disclosed there were 1 Million Pre-Mined coins for something he called a "Coin Protection Fee" earmarked for Solidcoin marketing, support and maintenance. This caused a lot of grumbling in the Solidcoin community when it was learned that Coinhunter would be the fund manager and only after much debate he decided he would after launch remit control to a committee of some sort. It was also learned that 10% of all blocks mined by anyone would in fact be taxed and transferred to the CPF.

The Bait and Switch occurred when several hours after launch Coinhunter revealed it was 12 Million premined in addition to nearly 1.128 Million SC1 coins being incorporated into the block chain. This was not something done on the fly post launch and had to be designed into the system days and/or weeks before launch. It was never mentioned pre-release or during the beta test phase just prior to launch. This is a classic Bait and switch. It doesn't bode well for a guy insisting people simply need to trust him.

Closed Source
All crypto-currencies except for Solidcoin 2.0 are Open Source. Solidcoin 2.0 is a closed source product and Coinhunter refuses to release the code for independent audit by neutral third parties. An audit by an independent third party could easily certifiy Solidcoin as being Malware free, Virus free, Backdoor free and whole host of other "nasty trcks" free.

Coinhunter has a demonstrated interest in Botnets and Central Control. Instead of releasing his code he says people need to simply trust him. Without the source code being released, any code certification and validation of Solidcoin 2.0 is impossible. Solidcoin 2.0 could have anything hidden in the program.

Central Control
All crypto-currencies except for Solidcoin use Peer <--> Peer architecture or P2P. This type of operation is very decentralized and is very hard to nearly impossible to control. Think Bit-torrent, Piratebay,.... unstoppable, irreversible, anonymous.

Solidcoin uses Peer <--> Trusted Node <--> Peer architecture. This type of architecture lends itself to a high degree of control. Think Paypal, Dwolla and those types. Payments can be easily intercepted, tracked and reversed as well as stolen. This is Paypal on steroids without all the good.

It should be noted that the Solidcoin Dev have denied this but refuse to release the code. There have been reported instances where this interception of transactions have occurred. Releasing the code would 100% either prove this false or prove it true. There is no legitimate reason to withhold the source.

Conclusion

I'm glad you are looking into Crypto-Currencies. You are taking part in the bleeding edge development of the digital payment future. As always before you invest any amount of time or money in anything worthwhile, do some thorough research. This forum BitcoinTalk.org is an excellent repository for all things Crypto-Currency.





SOLIDCOIN IS THE FEDERAL RESERVE IN CRYPTO-CURRENCY!

SOLIDCOIN IS THE FEDERAL RESERVE IN CRYPTO-CURRENCY!

SOLIDCOIN IS THE FEDERAL RESERVE IN CRYPTO-CURRENCY!

SOLIDCOIN IS THE FEDERAL RESERVE IN CRYPTO-CURRENCY!

Bai bai CoinHunter. Name is fitting.
154  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: So Bitcoin Leaders what is your position on the ongoing Altcoinocide? on: January 09, 2012, 05:39:21 PM
But if your system has a requirement "everybody will play nice" then your system is broken.

They did not have such requirement. As I said on the other topic, it was more on the line of "most people must not be crooks".

For the feature of merged mining to be a vulnerability, these both things must verify:
  • There must be one or more rogue, ill-intended pool operator out there.
  • Most of the miners of such rogue pool operator must be willing to support a criminal act with their resources.

It's particularly the verification of the second hypothesis, at least so far, that shocks me. I wouldn't assume such a thing as likely before such event as well.

So my heart feels sorry for CoiledCoin; my head thinks it is possible Luke-Jr did all the altchains a favor by demonstrating a problem that needs to be solved.

Oh please, think twice about what you wrote there. Just think how this logic can be extended to pretty much every aggression. "Oh, I feel sorry for that woman, but my head thinks that possibly the guy that broke into her house and raped her did her a favor by showing all those blatant flaws in her personal security."

Apples and oranges. Bitcoin is in its early stages, so is any crypto-currency. Attacks are by definition a sign of flaws.

Again, ArtForz disrupted his targets. Luke Jr nuked 'em. I don't trust a guy with a cross in one hand and a nuke in the other.
155  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Security issues in the console client plus use of recovery tools on: January 09, 2012, 05:31:52 PM
Would this really be possible in the network.Any comments?
No.
The parent post is borderline-gibberish that betrays fundamental misunderstandings of Bitcoin on several levels.

Let's establish a standard test then.

I create a wallet with 0 BTC. This is the source.
I create two accounts.
I transfer 1 BTC from one account to another.
I take the private key from the address holding the BTC using extractKeysFromWallet.
I add the private key to a new wallet containing 0 BTC. This is the carrier.
I then spend the 1 BTC to another wallet. This is the destination.

That concludes our test of the Emergency Butthurt Awareness System.

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Yes, using editing tools you can make your wallet display crazy stuff. No, the crazy stuff has no influence on the outside world.

I'm not editing any values. I'm using the console client to create an address with 1BTC.

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No, it's not a "security issue"— if you don't want your software displaying crazy stuff don't use recovery tools to twiddle with the non-user-serviceable parts. It's actually unlikely that the crazy values can will actually cause the loss of bitcoin, but not impossible (e.g. if you delete the private keys).

Not using anything to edit. Just moving atomic objects around.

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Any negative numbers are meaningless in the context of the whole system Bitcoin tracks coins (transactions) not balances, and it certainly doesn't track bitcoind _account_ balanaces which are a purely local book-keeping function.

I know that. What I will test is a transaction from one account to another. If I can spend it from another wallet, Bitcoin is in trouble.

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As far as the rest goes— Yes, you can remove coins from Bitcoin forever but you don't need his elaborate series of steps.

If I pulled a Madoff with this and destroyed a wallet containing coins others trusted me with we'd have serious issues. This is not preventable on a small scale, but if this attack works I would be able to do it in such a way that it destroyed the faith anyone had in the system.

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Just send coins to a wallet which has no backups and destroy the wallet data and the coins are lost.  Yippie! more scarcity for everyone else.

And loss of faith. Unfortunately most wouldn't see such an attack as equivalent to what the Fed does daily.
156  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Proposal for multigenerational token architecture on: January 09, 2012, 04:56:56 PM
Wow. Impressed and disgusted at the same time. I have reservations about SolidCoin which may cloud my reaction, but I hate whitehat crusaders more. I guess I find Luke Jr to be a worse offender.

At least ArtForz exploited the fee structure, so I guess he didn't cripple the system. So anyways, could this multiple natural fork idea work?
157  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: So Bitcoin Leaders what is your position on the ongoing Altcoinocide? on: January 09, 2012, 04:25:13 PM
I've already posted a sketch of a system that allows non-arbitrary natural forking. I even allows the creation of token bases with higher difficulty.

As people have noted, if you want to success you have to acknowledge, accept, embrace reality and clean up all the Santorum it leaves behind.

Kiss reality's ass and she will reward you.

People want to fork. Fine. Fork all you want here:
Proposal for multigenerational token architecture
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=57253

Morning, gentlemen.
158  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Proposal for multigenerational token architecture on: January 09, 2012, 04:13:00 PM
A few Frenchmen in gay attire fainted at the pace of this thread.

That's as good a result as any.

Having said that, once I finish meme, I will actually do this.
159  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Proposal for multigenerational token architecture on: January 09, 2012, 06:37:16 AM
For the sake of argument:

Can anyone summarize what ArtForz did to solid coin versus what Luke did to CoiledCoin?
160  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Pool Ops are now the Alt Currency Police on: January 09, 2012, 06:07:06 AM
Once I download the bitcoin code, I can do with it as I wish, as long as I include that notice at the top of the files.
Solidcoin code and all of its derivatives will always be under the control of Coinhunter (unless the license changes).

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And what's the point of you being able to do anything with Bitcoin code?

I have my gun right here. I no shoot you. What you want it fo'?

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What do you want to do? If you want to do anything non malicious you have free right to use SolidCoin code provided it's a SolidCoin orientated project (ie not a chain fork).

Are you still beating your wife?

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Revoking a source license for "no reason" wouldn't be very good PR would it.

Why would I lie? Don't you trust me? Free candy. Come to my van.

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Revoking a malicious project would be what 99.999% of people want. That's democracy.

NO! What the people want is for themselves and not you to decide whether a project is malicious. I smell another Luke Jr.

You people actually support the financial architecture we are trying to escape. Next word, I bet, is going to be technocrat. You and all the idiot finance journalists cheering on the appointment "of those who know what's best for us".

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The point remains someone controls the actual bitcoin code that MOST people download and use. Regardless of the license.

Um. no. because no.

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It was the same with SolidCoin v1, anyone could have forked it but what is the point when every google search and whatnot just heads to solidcoin.info ? Just because that's stated a little more clearly in the new solidcoin license doesn't change the actual reality.

By that logic, Facebook, Twitter, Google Plus, Stumble Upon should not exist. What's the point? Reminds me of Michael Dell refusing to build machines with AMD CPUs.

Diversity leads to stability. Efficiency leads to paranoia. Fer chrissake.
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