+1 Between his comments and the name... not looking like a professional I would want in charge of my "shares"

Personally speaking, the last thing I would want to do with my BTC (CASH) is exchange it for shares. I Kept cash/btc for a reason, i just made the mistake of putting it in CL

I very nearly settled, for no other reason than pure desperation. He knows how bad my personal situation is and to put such a low % on offer. It makes me angry. As I have said in the past, I would rather renegotiate in person than take on that kind of loss.

I am asking ALL REMAINING depositors to either PM me or post your remaining balance here -
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=341871.msg3662042#msg3662042

Do you have a big stake the4ner?

If you didnt settle over your CL balance, please pm me or post it here.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=341871.msg3662042#msg3662042

20ish % - Well, better than minus 2%


I am asking ALL REMAINING depositors to either PM me or post your remaining balance here -
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=341871.msg3662042#msg3662042

If you didnt settle over your CL balance, please pm me or post it here.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=341871.msg3662042#msg3662042

Sorry for suggesting you do this AGAIN but we won't know the current liability otherwise, a lot of people didnt come back to shout about the great 9% they got back.

DumbFruit is going on to bigger and better things, good luck to you sir!

I am asking ALL REMAINING depositors to either PM me or post your remaining balance here -
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=341871.msg3662042#msg3662042

Sorry for getting you to restate your balance but it's the only way we can be sure who is still in, many people who have settled have closed this horrible chapter in their life and wont be coming back here to talk about it.

If you want to join a collective Class Action Opportunity: (Because hes stopped communicating/refunds of any kind)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=336217.msg3619427#msg3619427 Even if you have indicated interest, please pm me your email incase of updates/information requests.
Please let me know or voice your interest as it would need agreement from enough people to go ahead.
This is purely to indicate your interest at this stage.

If you do settle, PLEASE PM me or come post here. - also if your balance was NOT listed on dumbfruits old thread please say so when posting!

Due to the limited information being provided by TF - We are having to use the information available to decide whether this liquidation is "fair" - Determine your own meaning of the word fair. It is our responsibility to do this to determine as best we can if this was a horrible mistake or there is indeed foul play.

Or we can let this go 100% unchecked... But people have lost life changing amounts of money here. Yes we all make mistakes.


TF still claims to be working for the benefit of his users.

Yes, this does contain numerous assumptions but we are using the best available data - if you have evidence to the contrary please share it.

Most people who have already bailed based on the USD price will not all be updating the old thread with compensation amounts and the thread owner DumbFruit has also made a deal so I hope to collect information on the REMAINING deposit holders here.

What I want from you.

• Your CL Balance with and without interest
• Confirmation if you were or were not on the original thread
• Confirmation if you have or have not settled
• Confirmation if you are interested in legal action (if so provide a valid email id for updates/info requests)

If you have not settled your balance then please re-state your current stake here or even better PM me. Anon unless you request otherwise. Will use bitcointalk names for simplicity. That's all I want, a tally of remaining deposit holders. We can keep the discussion on the old threads.
Please state whether your balance is with or without interest - Include both figures if you can. It all goes in the spreadsheet!
If for some reason you did not report your balance on the old thread. Let me know.

I have the intention of keeping this thread open until we have all settled or CL is reactivated for withdrawals.

Current Figures

Will keep these conservative so its more of a worst case - things in reality should be better.

Stolen from inputs: 4100
Returned to inputs: 900

Based on the 900 returned and the high % loss for anyone with more than 1 BTC in, I am going to assume that inputs deposits were in excess of 2100 BTC

Lets assume CL took a 2000 BTC hit when inputs was hacked although the reality is probably/hopefully better

CL Deposits:9202.24604006 (Based on original thread + late comers)
Remaining BTC: 6662.78260646(Based on remaining deposit holders)
Users: 119

ANON   592.75815201
Maximguns   531.87697838
Efflorescence   494.83919957
ANON   432.24268645
ANON   419.51475852
ANON   332.2162344
ANON   327.3652095
ANON   311.66244771
gene6098   299
ANON   281
bradyon   226
ANON   187.23324699
ANON   180.2545789
anon   135.487
tehelsper   122
ANON   112.13755308
ANON   102.13386171
ohyeahok   87.01269165
hwmax   86.93779676
Bobbycoolguy   80.3
RogerDodger   76.35819839
ANON   75.98128219
ninjaboon   75.23241838
tantanbit   72.59228854
ANON   70
ANON   57.90194877
ANON   51.04538754
mrtchipr   47
2kman   42.78068979
frankTurtle   40.80761587
ANON   32.15938119
snoo   32.15938119
sleger   30.85
ANON   29.12
goodtimes73   28.58
ANON   21
489593665   20.39441186
MaxwellsDemon   17.347
ANON   17
ace207   16.68791006
nsd   15.90443981
ANON   15.78
ANON   15.5
nzbmaster   15.00725711
ANON   13.79260958
ANON   13.56
Dougie   12.857412
ANON   12.18288021
TheSurge   11.94763347
ANON   10.77683827
ANON   10.68
qbitx   10.6
dunkbc   10.5627535
ANON   10.5627535
slider1978   10.24722147
flmbg   10.15
davecoin   10.0585973
gog1   9.80594344
ANON   9.71717801
ANON   9
ANON   8.98132612
ANON   8.71461123
Babylon   8.26874211
itsBusinessTime   8.25
ANON   8.18167164
ANON   8.10636761
ANON   7.95324553
TTagoo   7.64
InvalidSnack   7.53164008
ANON   7.29
ANON   7.12346971
ANON   7.01
C10H15N   6.00038338
ANON   5.36399611
ANON   5.25222261
fanchengjiao   5.089
scousesmoker   5.06
crazyhorse   5
ANON   5
halfawake   4.9513357
ANON   4.87462573
skitchen   4.25634855
ANON   4.22898497
gravity_boy   4.01865378
ANON   4
Dorpsgek   3.66
mobile   3.60187187
ezacarias   3.593
Xrim   3.5
ANON   3.37283512
ANON   3.05216879
ANON   3.04594144
ANON   3.0032
wayner   2.98
poolbath1   2.84476076
WHEELERSCW20000   2.56224724
hsharrison   2.43970326
HeRetiK   2.2776
ittyBTCy   2.24
goodhopes   2.08111701
ANON   2.04984745
thatbluedude   2
cyclops   1.8
ANON   1.70787314
bagbtrustee1   1.6306808
ANON   1.53732289
ANON   1.50595525
mxisaac   1.50021415
ANON   1.5
ahbartsch   1.42248624
ANON   1.21709771
The 4ner   1.1897
ASanerWorld   1.0902701
Funky Al   1.08
Simonsays   1.07027926
ANON   1.06033517
ANON   1.05
ANON   0.2996
Arcorann   0.00604688

We know TF has a large amount of funds in BTC. That is not up for debate. We have seen address's with large amounts of coins and he has begun pre-liquidation despite claims 100% of CL liquid funds are loaned and his personal stash used for inputs. (000's of BTC) There is a good chance he has amassed plenty of fiat in this time as well as he has a history of gambling - He did cash out in the high hundreds and buy back in the low seventies with CL money according to an old thread - scary.

Anyway, PLEASE let me know if you still have a stake in CL.

As a medium level investor, I would be willing to take a hair cut, to cover some of the costs. But 90+% That is unacceptable, Especially when we can see the losses from the hack have already been  covered.

Legal Action

As TF has stopped communicating / vanished - It increases the possibility this was something of a ponzi scheme.
Either way, he isn't leaving creditors with many other options than to contact the authorities.
I am aware of various people working on various things which I won't post here but here is a "zero cost" option.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=336217.msg3700419#msg3700419

Potential drawbacks for me are - it might mean zero return for us, tf could hide any/all assets, he may have already left oz.  But if you want to head over and drop your balance as a show of interest - these points will presumably be covered before it gets that far.

ouch.

Some people are unable to work, and have big health care bills. Money can be life or death for some people. Try to put yourself in the shoes of people less fortunate than you before you speak.

These USD value rules seem to vary. It was ok at $750 but now it's come down he doesn't want to make a deal. Disgraceful.

Yea I know but its already written off.... 2000BTC+ seems worth factoring in. Nevermind.

TopTIP: Deposit all your coins in coinlenders for great returns and good times!

With my ALL my cash and some friends money tied up in coinlenders. Maybe this can be my claim to fame!

I was offered 9% of my money returned and had no choice but to flat refuse.

Bitcoin will almost certainly result in a death in the very near future.

Expecting a string of exceptionally helpful posts about how smart I am.... starting... NOW!

People often buy BTC to escape USD so to price up a deal in USD must truly be a smack in the face.

It is bed time over there now.... assuming he really is in the east

Anyway, he doesn't want a "similar" deal, he calculates it exactly according to deposit dates and gx price.

Nobody dealt in $ for a reason so in my opinion it is an unfair and horrible deal, but if people accept it....

Would make sense to prioritise the big holders first - He has already knocked off at least 1000 from CL's debts. Probably more like 2000.

Here was me thinking people invested in BTC to protect themselves from the fall of the dollar. Not guarantee it! Can't accept a 91% haircut.

PLEASE POST OR PM me your settlement amount so it can be added to dumbfruits list.

Anon unless you specify otherwise.