A me stuzzica gimli (https://gimli.io/), mi piace l'idea di tokenizzare scommesse sugli e-sport e a quanto ho capito si sono già messi in contatto con qualche famoso "streamer" per la promozione del token stesso. Poi mi sembra che la pre-sale sia in overbooking (anche se in questo caso potrebbe essere solo marketing  )

China gov want control ICO and just ban ICO from many project they can't control. But China people will try another way to invest their money.

If you have enough money to pump and dump, why not? There is really good profits to be made if you can manipulate some coins. It's pretty hard to do though, as this is totally something hard to predict, as you will not know how the market will react to the stimulation from the pump and dump of whales. They might lose a lot if they make a mistake.

That means going by your definition, then all of us are dumpers because a lot of people who own some amount of bitcoin then hold to achieve a point in price then sell while some people will decide to get greedy and hold further until they reach another objective before selling and then wait for it to crash, so they can buy again and that's is exactly the castigations against the money bags without considering the little part we all play in all this.

But can i ask you a questio? How do you know they dump at the top price? How do you know it is the top ? Maybe it downs for a day they comeback double on the day after?

Unfortunately this is whats happening now. The whales are the ones who are in control on how and where they want the price of a coin or token to go. If the whales dont want the price to go up, they will put up a huge sell wall that will make other sellers to sell it lower until the price continue to plunge. Even those who are good with charts are sometimes no match with them.