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1401  Economy / Securities / Re: AMC Discussion Thread (not self moderated) on: March 29, 2013, 04:37:56 PM
So is AMC back on the Bitfunder market yet? I cannot see it.
Asset frozen.

I am reworking the plan and will be posting it in AMC's official discussion thread, to get comments from the community.
1402  Economy / Securities / Re: AMC Discussion Thread (not self moderated) on: March 29, 2013, 01:21:36 AM
hmmm ... so did he order them or did not ? I want to update the count accordingly.

I sent an order in, however I did not receive a confirmation and I because of my stupid mistake did not
get the uptake on AMC's offering so as to be able to pay for them.

So I am reworking AMC offer and when ready I will post it in AMC's Official Discussion Thread for the community
to make comments on before it goes live on Bitfunder.

I just want to thank everyone in the community for point out all of the problems in the original offering.  I have incorporated,
I think most of the communities concerns in the new offering.  Grin 



Ok, so you did not purchase. The contract is very misleading. Man! I will remove your post from the tally thread.

Sorry, if I mislead you, I did not mean to, I put ordered in the contract which is what I did.  As you may have noticed, the 6 Avalon's above show that they have been purchased and confirmed not just ordered.
1403  Economy / Securities / Re: AMC Discussion Thread (not self moderated) on: March 29, 2013, 12:30:05 AM
hmmm ... so did he order them or did not ? I want to update the count accordingly.

I sent an order in, however I did not receive a confirmation and I because of my stupid mistake did not
get the uptake on AMC's offering so as to be able to pay for them.

So I am reworking AMC offer and when ready I will post it in AMC's Official Discussion Thread for the community
to make comments on before it goes live on Bitfunder.

I just want to thank everyone in the community for point out all of the problems in the original offering.  I have incorporated,
I think most of the communities concerns in the new offering.  Grin 

1404  Economy / Securities / Re: AMC Discussion Thread (not self moderated) on: March 28, 2013, 07:18:55 PM
Asks for C code, confuses C with C# which is quite a lot different..

I did not confuse C with C#, I know the difference.  I was just showing him some of
my code.

What I really want to know is, what do you think of the code I posted? Smiley

Looks like C code, kinda funny.
1405  Economy / Securities / Re: AMC Discussion Thread (not self moderated) on: March 28, 2013, 03:49:24 PM
Asks for C code, confuses C with C# which is quite a lot different..

I did not confuse C with C#, I know the difference.  I was just showing him some of
my code.
1406  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] AMC - The Official Active Mining Cooperative Discussion on: March 28, 2013, 02:36:09 PM
Reworking the offering.


Check out info on the offering here:

https://bitfunder.com/asset/AMC

I will unlock this thread when we get the offering reworked.
1407  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] AMC - The Official Active Mining Cooperative Discussion on: March 28, 2013, 02:34:05 PM
TXIDs for ordering your 2x50 Avalon Batch 3 orders?

I ordered them, but they are not confirmed.  Even if I had them you still would
not believe it.
1408  Economy / Securities / Re: AMC Discussion Thread (not self moderated) on: March 28, 2013, 02:31:07 PM
[snip code]

That code is boring! I mean, show us something interesting, like this:

[snip code]

  

Here you go, I hope this makes you happy.

void getBlocksAndThreads(int n, int &blocks, int &threads)
{
   threads = (n < MAX_REDUCTION_THREADS*2) ? nextPow2((n + 1)/ 2) : MAX_REDUCTION_THREADS;
    blocks = (n + (threads * 2 - 1)) / (threads * 2);
   blocks = MIN(MAX_REDUCTION_BLOCKS, blocks);
}




template <class T>
void
getreduced(int size, int threads, int blocks, T *d_idata, T *d_odata, int multiple = 1, int total_size = 0)
{
   dim3 dimBlock(threads, 1, 1);
    dim3 dimGrid(blocks, multiple, 1);
    int smemSize = (threads <= 32) ? 2 * threads * sizeof(T) : threads * sizeof(T);

   //if total size is not default then use mutiple reductions kernel
   if (multiple > 1)
   {
      if (isPow2(size))
      {
         switch (threads)
         {
         case 512:
            reduce6_multiple<T, 512, true><<< dimGrid, dimBlock, smemSize >>>(d_idata, d_odata, size, total_size); break;
         case 256:
            reduce6_multiple<T, 256, true><<< dimGrid, dimBlock, smemSize >>>(d_idata, d_odata, size, total_size); break;
         case 128:
            reduce6_multiple<T, 128, true><<< dimGrid, dimBlock, smemSize >>>(d_idata, d_odata, size, total_size); break;
         case 64:
            reduce6_multiple<T,  64, true><<< dimGrid, dimBlock, smemSize >>>(d_idata, d_odata, size, total_size); break;
         case 32:
            reduce6_multiple<T,  32, true><<< dimGrid, dimBlock, smemSize >>>(d_idata, d_odata, size, total_size); break;
         case 16:
            reduce6_multiple<T,  16, true><<< dimGrid, dimBlock, smemSize >>>(d_idata, d_odata, size, total_size); break;
         case  8:
            reduce6_multiple<T,   8, true><<< dimGrid, dimBlock, smemSize >>>(d_idata, d_odata, size, total_size); break;
         case  4:
            reduce6_multiple<T,   4, true><<< dimGrid, dimBlock, smemSize >>>(d_idata, d_odata, size, total_size); break;
         case  2:
            reduce6_multiple<T,   2, true><<< dimGrid, dimBlock, smemSize >>>(d_idata, d_odata, size, total_size); break;
         case  1:
            reduce6_multiple<T,   1, true><<< dimGrid, dimBlock, smemSize >>>(d_idata, d_odata, size, total_size); break;
         }
      }
      else
      {
         switch (threads)
         {
         case 512:
            reduce6_multiple<T, 512, false><<< dimGrid, dimBlock, smemSize >>>(d_idata, d_odata, size, total_size); break;
         case 256:
            reduce6_multiple<T, 256, false><<< dimGrid, dimBlock, smemSize >>>(d_idata, d_odata, size, total_size); break;
         case 128:
            reduce6_multiple<T, 128, false><<< dimGrid, dimBlock, smemSize >>>(d_idata, d_odata, size, total_size); break;
         case 64:
            reduce6_multiple<T,  64, false><<< dimGrid, dimBlock, smemSize >>>(d_idata, d_odata, size, total_size); break;
         case 32:
            reduce6_multiple<T,  32, false><<< dimGrid, dimBlock, smemSize >>>(d_idata, d_odata, size, total_size); break;
         case 16:
            reduce6_multiple<T,  16, false><<< dimGrid, dimBlock, smemSize >>>(d_idata, d_odata, size, total_size); break;
         case  8:
            reduce6_multiple<T,   8, false><<< dimGrid, dimBlock, smemSize >>>(d_idata, d_odata, size, total_size); break;
         case  4:
            reduce6_multiple<T,   4, false><<< dimGrid, dimBlock, smemSize >>>(d_idata, d_odata, size, total_size); break;
         case  2:
            reduce6_multiple<T,   2, false><<< dimGrid, dimBlock, smemSize >>>(d_idata, d_odata, size, total_size); break;
         case  1:
            reduce6_multiple<T,   1, false><<< dimGrid, dimBlock, smemSize >>>(d_idata, d_odata, size, total_size); break;
         }
      }
   }
   //only require a single reduction
   else
   {
      if (isPow2(size))
      {
         switch (threads)
         {
         case 512:
            reduce6<T, 512, true><<< dimGrid, dimBlock, smemSize >>>(d_idata, d_odata, size); break;
         case 256:
            reduce6<T, 256, true><<< dimGrid, dimBlock, smemSize >>>(d_idata, d_odata, size); break;
         case 128:
            reduce6<T, 128, true><<< dimGrid, dimBlock, smemSize >>>(d_idata, d_odata, size); break;
         case 64:
            reduce6<T,  64, true><<< dimGrid, dimBlock, smemSize >>>(d_idata, d_odata, size); break;
         case 32:
            reduce6<T,  32, true><<< dimGrid, dimBlock, smemSize >>>(d_idata, d_odata, size); break;
         case 16:
            reduce6<T,  16, true><<< dimGrid, dimBlock, smemSize >>>(d_idata, d_odata, size); break;
         case  8:
            reduce6<T,   8, true><<< dimGrid, dimBlock, smemSize >>>(d_idata, d_odata, size); break;
         case  4:
            reduce6<T,   4, true><<< dimGrid, dimBlock, smemSize >>>(d_idata, d_odata, size); break;
         case  2:
            reduce6<T,   2, true><<< dimGrid, dimBlock, smemSize >>>(d_idata, d_odata, size); break;
         case  1:
            reduce6<T,   1, true><<< dimGrid, dimBlock, smemSize >>>(d_idata, d_odata, size); break;
         }
      }
      else
      {
         switch (threads)
         {
         case 512:
            reduce6<T, 512, false><<< dimGrid, dimBlock, smemSize >>>(d_idata, d_odata, size); break;
         case 256:
            reduce6<T, 256, false><<< dimGrid, dimBlock, smemSize >>>(d_idata, d_odata, size); break;
         case 128:
            reduce6<T, 128, false><<< dimGrid, dimBlock, smemSize >>>(d_idata, d_odata, size); break;
         case 64:
            reduce6<T,  64, false><<< dimGrid, dimBlock, smemSize >>>(d_idata, d_odata, size); break;
         case 32:
            reduce6<T,  32, false><<< dimGrid, dimBlock, smemSize >>>(d_idata, d_odata, size); break;
         case 16:
            reduce6<T,  16, false><<< dimGrid, dimBlock, smemSize >>>(d_idata, d_odata, size); break;
         case  8:
            reduce6<T,   8, false><<< dimGrid, dimBlock, smemSize >>>(d_idata, d_odata, size); break;
         case  4:
            reduce6<T,   4, false><<< dimGrid, dimBlock, smemSize >>>(d_idata, d_odata, size); break;
         case  2:
            reduce6<T,   2, false><<< dimGrid, dimBlock, smemSize >>>(d_idata, d_odata, size); break;
         case  1:
            reduce6<T,   1, false><<< dimGrid, dimBlock, smemSize >>>(d_idata, d_odata, size); break;
         }
      }
   }
}
1409  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] AMC - The Official Active Mining Cooperative Discussion on: March 28, 2013, 02:28:25 AM

Why 115 btc each?
Also, why didn't you use http://store.avalon-asics.com/?

And for some reason I can't buy any shares on bitfunder?

I received an email from Avalon, I believe on March 20, 2013, then I think I found a post on BitcoinTalk which stated that the price for a 3 unit model was 88 BTC
and that a 4 unit model was 115.  It also said to send Ngzhang an email if you wanted to order 50 units or more, so that is what I did.  I was hurrying to change my
offering because of the over 4X price increase and the fact that it said they where going to start selling on Friday.  I did not use the link because I sent the email, however
I was working hard to get the offer up and raise the money to purchase at least 50 units if I could.  That is why there is 2 orders of 50.

Working with Ukto at bitfunder on getting AMC back up.
1410  Economy / Securities / Re: AMC Discussion Thread (not self moderated) on: March 28, 2013, 01:37:36 AM
Date Registered: September 28, 2010, 01:16:14 PM
You were inactive for nearly 3 years.

No, I was not inactive, I have been reading this forum since 2009.

Show us some of your C code. Then I will believe you. You're a brightest of the bunch C programmer? Ok, have you ever contributed anything to open source? What have you worked on?

Ok, Here is a little c# code from my own tabbed browser called Internet Cruiser that I wrote about 10 years ago and submitted to Microsoft.

using System;
using System.Collections;
using System.ComponentModel;
using System.Drawing;
using System.Data;
using System.Windows.Forms;

namespace ICruiser
{
   /// <summary>
   /// Summary description for BrowserWindow.
   /// </summary>
   public class BrowserWindow : System.Windows.Forms.UserControl
   {
      private AxSHDocVw.AxWebBrowser axWebBrowser1;
      private String strStartPage;
      /// <summary>
      /// Required designer variable.
      /// </summary>
      private System.ComponentModel.Container components = null;

      public BrowserWindow()
      {
         // This call is required by the Windows.Forms Form Designer.
         InitializeComponent();

         object o=null;
         axWebBrowser1.Navigate("http://www.google.com/search?as_q=&num=10&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=test&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&safe=images",ref o,ref o,ref o, ref o);

      }

      public BrowserWindow(String URL)
      {
         strStartPage = URL;
         // This call is required by the Windows.Forms Form Designer.
         InitializeComponent();

         object o=null;
         axWebBrowser1.Navigate(URL,ref o,ref o,ref o, ref o);

      }


      /// <summary>
      /// Clean up any resources being used.
      /// </summary>
      protected override void Dispose( bool disposing )
      {
         if( disposing )
         {
            if(components != null)
            {
               components.Dispose();
            }
         }
         base.Dispose( disposing );
      }

      #region Component Designer generated code
      /// <summary>
      /// Required method for Designer support - do not modify
      /// the contents of this method with the code editor.
      /// </summary>
      private void InitializeComponent()
      {
         System.Resources.ResourceManager resources = new System.Resources.ResourceManager(typeof(BrowserWindow));
         this.axWebBrowser1 = new AxSHDocVw.AxWebBrowser();
         ((System.ComponentModel.ISupportInitialize)(this.axWebBrowser1)).BeginInit();
         this.SuspendLayout();
         //
         // axWebBrowser1
         //
         this.axWebBrowser1.Enabled = true;
         this.axWebBrowser1.Location = new System.Drawing.Point(0, 0);
         this.axWebBrowser1.OcxState = ((System.Windows.Forms.AxHost.State)(resources.GetObject("axWebBrowser1.OcxState")));
         this.axWebBrowser1.Size = new System.Drawing.Size(1344, 600);
         this.axWebBrowser1.TabIndex = 0;
         //
         // BrowserWindow
         //
         this.Controls.Add(this.axWebBrowser1);
         this.Name = "BrowserWindow";
         this.Size = new System.Drawing.Size(1344, 592);
         ((System.ComponentModel.ISupportInitialize)(this.axWebBrowser1)).EndInit();
         this.ResumeLayout(false);

      }
      #endregion
   }
}
1411  Economy / Securities / Re: AMC Discussion Thread (not self moderated) on: March 28, 2013, 12:53:20 AM
Date Registered: September 28, 2010, 01:16:14 PM
You were inactive for nearly 3 years.

No, I was not inactive, I have been reading this forum since 2009.
1412  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] AMC - The Official Active Mining Cooperative Discussion on: March 28, 2013, 12:51:44 AM
There's nothing in the contract about what happens if the company (is it a company anyway?) closes or is sold.  That's a pretty key item to have misssed out - especially given ambiguity over ownership of the already ordered Avalons.

It's also not clear what the relevance of the growth/expansion shares are - given that shareholders returns are defined as a fixed percent of profit.  What happens with rest of shares is pretty meaningless - giving a vague definition for 20% and no definition for the other 40% is pointless.

It's also terrible value to use funds from IPO to buy shares in other companies.  100% of the purchase price of those shares comes from IPO funds and only up to 40% of profit from them gos to shareholders - a poor substitute for them just using those funds to invest directly themselves.  If you think you'll be more profitable than the other companies then use the funds for your own operation.  If you think you'll be less profitable then cancel the IPO and invest in the other companies yourself.

100 Avalon Batch 3   @  85 GH/s each for a total of:
         8.5 TH/s (to be shipped: End April 2013)    (Ordered 2 orders of 50 each)

Are you saying you've already ordered 100 Batch 3 Avalons?

Deprived, Yes the plan if you would read it completely does say what happens if it is sold.

The ASICMiner shares are just a hold place for funds until we have to use them, lot better to be getting dividends for our share holders that to have the funds sitting in a account
earning anything.  It was Ukto suggestion to do that and I agreed that it was good.  The ASICMiner shares are very liquid, so as we need funds to execute our plan we will sell
the ASICMiner shares.

I also have the paper work here to rescidn the administrative dissolution of Virtual Mining, Inc. and a form to
register a fictitious name.  I will be completing this in the next few days.

Yes, I did order the 2 orders of 50 by sending an email to  ngzhang as he instructed in his email, however I have not receive a confirmation on them.

Here is the source of the email which you will say I forged, but here it is:

From - Thu Mar 21 20:12:50 2013
X-Mozilla-Status: 0001
X-Mozilla-Status2: 00800000
X-Mozilla-Keys:                                                                                 
Message-ID: <514BB00C.30008@axs.net>
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 20:12:44 -0500
From: AXS CEO <ceo@axs.net>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130106 Thunderbird/17.0.2
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: ngzhang@avalon-asic.com
Subject: Batch 3 Order
X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Ngzhang,

I would like to place 2 orders in batch 3 of 50 units each of the 85
GH/s for 115 BTC each.

Kenneth E. Slaughter
Active Mining Cooperative
1951 S. Oak Grove Ave.
Springfield, Missouri 65804-2703
USA
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/

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pzwP8/u0+rKXSHb0N+Bh29C25ODGS9lbmZHyOfiM8iU/bUvzFo7v/ojtyauLpkLS
woGQJQwDOIKmqidC4YLHv0LEclOXP6r5Cr+UHIPHfRJyLtJK/KfLPsBCurzprwiP
tsc8bLWaA3XVnxh7DTnmgjry+8MPvJvBMxREtpvMimXtZ8JAzI9bVQLtb+IKOaOT
qEJtfO97yIikOknCRRDbVHCxStjkdmlXAIHqOGR9QA5L3KFSWy8DF5IBl1DGmBnh
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1413  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] AMC - The Official Active Mining Cooperative Discussion on: March 28, 2013, 12:38:34 AM
You are right Deprived, both Mac65 and I are more doers that talkers, so I just read post here most of the time I don't log in.  Now, I see
I should have been logging in.  I have now post in my thread my business experience and named the one of my most successful companies.

Mac65 is running two very successful businesses right now.  I have been talking to him about Bitcoins, over the last year.  He has just now
ordered some units from BFL to get started in mining.  

I started mining in 2009, got off on another track until early 2012 when I started mining with GPU's

Just because we have not been logged in to this board does not mean that we are not real. I am kind of unsociable and more of a doer.

But, you can take it for what it is worth.  It just will take a little time to build up trust, so I have started down that road.

The team is made up of Independent Contractors that I have known for a long time that have different skills in different areas, which I
pay for their services.   Yes. the devil is in the details.  I use lot of professionals to get the details done.  I am working with a Major
Semiconductor Company now with lots of professional I can hire, if needed to complete the project.

So, just sit back and watch as we put this project together, start paying dividends from our ASICminer fund, the purchased Avalon's, and
our ASIC 45nm chip that we can get prototypes in a 5-10 week time-frame after delivering them our RTL.
 
1414  Economy / Securities / Re: AMC Discussion Thread (not self moderated) on: March 27, 2013, 10:27:01 PM
Date Registered: September 28, 2010, 01:16:14 PM
1415  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] AMC - The Official Active Mining Cooperative Discussion on: March 27, 2013, 09:45:50 PM
I don't like the centralization of bitcoin much so I'm not going to support this.

I don't either, did you hear that ASICminer is going to put 200TH on line in the next few months, so AMC will not centralize Bitcoin at all.
1416  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] AMC - The Official Active Mining Cooperative Discussion on: March 27, 2013, 05:31:54 PM
SPRINGFIELD, MO, – March 23, 2013 – AMC a hybrid mining and development cooperative has announced today that they are in talks with a Major Semiconductor Company which can provide ASIC's with lower up-front development cost, time, and reduced risk which are greatly reduced over other ASIC's. AMC said "With their simplified design flow, the time from RTL to device tape-out is typically only five to ten weeks for prototypes. This enables AMC's designers to bring new Bitcoin mining products on line quickly; then rapidly develop derivative products to cater to the Bitcoin's changing market requirements.
1417  Economy / Securities / Re: AMC Discussion Thread (not self moderated) on: March 27, 2013, 04:39:05 PM
Hmm... google seems to disagree anyway:

Quote
busi·ness 
/ˈbiznis/
Noun

    A person's regular occupation, profession, or trade.
    An activity that someone is engaged in.


That is not the Legal definition, you need to look it up in a Legal dictionary,

business n. any activity or enterprise entered into for profit. It does not mean it is a company, a corporation, partnership, or have any such formal organization, but it can range from a street peddler to General Motors. It is sometimes significant to determine if an accident, visit, travel, meal or other activity was part of "business" or for pleasure or no particular purpose.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/business

Is this argument relevant? 

No too much, however burnside was questioning a corporation that I had.

I have just opened up the [BitFunder] AMC - The Official Active Mining Cooperative Discussion so you may want to post there
any questions there.  I won't be answer questions here just fighting fires here.
1418  Economy / Securities / Re: AMC Discussion Thread (not self moderated) on: March 27, 2013, 04:27:10 PM
Hmm... google seems to disagree anyway:

Quote
busi·ness 
/ˈbiznis/
Noun

    A person's regular occupation, profession, or trade.
    An activity that someone is engaged in.


That is not the Legal definition, you need to look it up in a Legal dictionary,

business n. any activity or enterprise entered into for profit. It does not mean it is a company, a corporation, partnership, or have any such formal organization, but it can range from a street peddler to General Motors. It is sometimes significant to determine if an accident, visit, travel, meal or other activity was part of "business" or for pleasure or no particular purpose.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/business
1419  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] AMC - Active Mining Cooperative on: March 27, 2013, 04:20:17 PM
The offering on Bitfunder.com AMC has been reworked to provide the community with more information about the source of revenue that will be provided by this Hybrid mining and development cooperative.  The ASICMiner part of the plan is designed to provide income to cooperative when funds raised by the offering is idle.

Since I do not believe in censorship, I will not be deleting any comments (positive or negative) in this thread, however I will be replying to them to explain any concerns.
1420  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] AMC - Active Mining Cooperative on: March 27, 2013, 04:12:24 PM
[AMC] Hardware discussion and F.A.Q.

Update: AMC is merging with VMC, so all AMC shareholders will have the possibility to convert their shares into VMC shares, at a 1:1 ratio. This FAQ will also be updated in the future to reflect these changes.

So, where can I see the current AMC hashrate and mining profits?
Currently AMC mines on BTC Guild at around 430GH/s, as User 211435 and as Team AMC. Accumulated mining profits are stored in BTC address 1DJpsvnM7xTnQbWEhLYyCyfxQyxwupEzCa. Here's a graph of that.

So, what do shares represent? Ownership?
Shares do not represent ownership, they are "solely a distribution mechanism for rights to profits", and used as a means to liquidation.
Quote
1 share of AMC on BitFunder represents 1/100,000,000th of 100% of the monthly profits after all expenses. AMC shares offer no voting rights. Shares of AMC on BitFunder do not represent real world shares of the company. The shares are solely a distribution mechanism for rights to profits.

Should the Cooperative be sold or closed, the full amount of the purchase price, liquidated income, and any mining revenue not distributed will be evenly distributed to the 100,000,000 shares.

Wait a minute... I'm not "owning" a part of AMC, just a piece of the "profits" Huh
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So, shares represent a part of profits then. How are they distributed?
- Until at least May 2014, on the initial 40M, a minimum of 20M are retained for growth and expansion and a maximum of 20M can be sold to investors.
- In May 2014, or when 0.0005 is payed by share, whichever happens later, an extra 60M are created, for the final total of 100M. On these remaining 60M, a minimum of 20M are retained for growth and expansion and a maximum of 40M can be sold to investors, with 40M being retained by AMC/Ken.
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20,000,000 shares will be retained by AMC to maintain a growth and expansion fund.
As of the time of this writing, up to 40,000,000 will be released over time to the public on a varying time scale as capital is required to complete the project. Any remaining shares not included in the IPO are owned/maintained/controlled by AMC. These shares will be used at the issuers discretion for any uses deemed fit. These uses are not limited to, but may include employment.

So, I heard I am earning a lot from AMC right now, by bagging the dividends from all the unsold shares out of the 40M?
Wrong. The contract specifies that all dividends from "issued" shares still on AMC's hands are retained by the growth and expansion fund (the contract was originally written using correct terminology, but BF considers all shares "issued").
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Dividends paid on unissued shares after the early-adopter phase will be retained by AMC and added to AMC's growth and expansion fund above until the shares are issued.
The first time I get a part of AMC will be after a year of work (May 2014), when the rest of the 60M are issued. At that time, more 20M can be sold to investors, and I retain the remaining 40M.

So, how can AMC be valued since shares do not directly represent ownership, but profits?
You can use a simple conversion for it: [#investor's_shares * current_price], with [1 - #investor's_shares/40M] (%) of dividends being kept for reinvestment.
Using current values (2nd July 2013), there are ~6M shares sold to investors and ~34M in the growth/expansion fund. At a price of 0.001, AMC is valued at 6M*0.001 = BTC6000, with 1-6/40 = 85% of dividends being kept for reinvestment.

I've read a lot of announcements, but have yet to see real documents. Can you please provide some?
Engineering Firm quote for Avalon machines: http://axs.net/AMC/SB-Prototype-Quote.jpg
eASIC NDA: http://axs.net/AMC/eAsic-NDA0001.jpg and http://axs.net/AMC/eAsic-NDA0002.jpg

So, how will the division between AMC and VMC be implemented, in respect to chip/machine sales?
Roughy, AMC takes care of the chips, VMC takes care of the machines:
- AMC develops the chip, pays the chip's NRE and sells the chip in bulk to customers (using VMC as intermediary).
- VMC uses AMC's chip (or any other chips) and builds bitcoin miners, paying a royalty cost to AMC whenever its IP is used.

Chip sales: AMC holds IP rights on the Fast-Hash-ONE chips, so AMC contracts with VMC the following services: (a) the representation services to negotiate chip production with eASIC and (b) the re-selling of AMC's chips in bulk. AMC also guarantees chip exclusivity to VMC, so that AMC won't negotiate a chip supply contract to any other bitcoin systems manufacturer. AMC gets 70% back from the profits on the sale of bulk chips, while VMC gets 30%. All of VMC's expenses, including representation, chip stock management and re-shipping expenses to final customers are taken from their 30% profit.

System sales: AMC also allows VMC to buy chips directly from eASIC at the lowest cost, for the manufacturing of bitcoin mining systems. On every sale of these systems or parts of it that contain AMC chips or IP, AMC receives a 10% royalty fee from the total gross sales revenue. Example: if a customer purchases a system for BTC100, AMC receives BTC10, whatever the profit margins for VMC are.
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