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1421  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What to invest in on the GLBSE? on: September 16, 2012, 02:59:46 PM
I have found that mostly, the mining bonds are decreasing their
Value each week, quicker than the dividend each week it pays.
Also the week revenue is decreasing as the mining difficult increase.
 So I don't advice mining bonds.

RSM - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=63257.0 - will be operating at >46(MH/s)per share on delivery of our ASIC's.  We will then be reinvesting 50% of profits into buying more ASIC's to keep our (MH/s)per share rate growing faster then rate of network difficulty growth.
1422  Other / Meta / Re: Bitcoin Forum Proposal: Ban All Securities & Lending (+ Gambling) offers on: September 16, 2012, 02:44:02 PM
Bitcoin is a intellectual currency and IMO should not be tarnished with local/state policies and laws, I believe this is something revolutionary that needs it's own area of judgement, Bitcoin is young and people are (as a species) short sighted, Unable to grasp a concept that is longer than a persons lifetime. This is much longer than that, And at this stage need to define how to govern a property that is designed to be anonymous.

But ultimately, As an intellectual property, You need to be able to grasp its uses and missuses in order to protect yourself. Honestly if people thought more about what they do with their coins, there would be alot less scams.

Problem is, Because in reality it is just a number on a screen, It gets treated as such, We all need to realize the potential of this currency.

I agree in the UK/EU at least bitcoin is traded tax free like gold bullion.  It's only when you start converting it into local currency that capital gains tax comes into play.  If everything is kept in bitcoin then no taxes or regulations are involved.
1423  Economy / Economics / Re: Scaling bitcoin to world economy is unrealistic. on: September 16, 2012, 02:36:58 PM
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So bitcoin will not solve our global social problem of skewed economic relations, it will accumulate even more wealth in an even smaller number of pockets.
Isn't that they way it's always been ever since the first caveman used a weapon to bring down dinner or picked all the berries in an area, but only shared them in exchange for services.  Technology is not going to supercede our nature.

No it's from when mankind first started farming and ownership of land became important.  Before that as hunter-gathers your only possessions were what you could carry.  Mankind lived under a form of anarco-socialism for most of its history.  Mankind has only lived under capitalism for a blink of an eye and with the current credit-crunch and banking crises things may be changing again?
1424  Other / Off-topic / Re: De-centralizing the internet?! on: September 16, 2012, 12:26:58 PM
Check the FNF out - http://thefnf.org/?page_id=738

another one is http://freedomboxfoundation.org/


The internet will not remain centralized for long.

The idea behind the FNF is that most end users will probably be using the Freedom box software to connect to the network, act as local ad-hoc mesh nodes and local file servers.
1425  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bitcoin Linux OS on: September 16, 2012, 12:19:17 PM
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/LinuxCoin
1426  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What to invest in on the GLBSE? on: September 16, 2012, 11:31:56 AM
Hi

Nice to meet you. Can you pls help me post in the securities forum as I am forbid at the moment Smiley

You should be able to soon.  You've made enough posts.  Just wait for the time limit to pass.
1427  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Banks and bitcoin on: September 16, 2012, 11:23:00 AM
When the market is big enough and the banks smell the money there'll jump all over it.  Probably with fixed deposit terms to help negate the possibility of 'bank run' problems.  You may also be able to use them as a source of credit to get loans valued against them but prices would have to have been stabler for a long time first.
1428  Economy / Economics / Re: Scaling bitcoin to world economy is unrealistic. on: September 16, 2012, 11:16:34 AM
I think a more realistic calculation would be the total number of Satoshi's minus a substantial percentage for loss and divided by the percentage of the worlds population likely to be in a position to use a digital currency.

So if quarter of the coins are lost and half the worlds population use bitcoin there are nearly half a million Satoshi per head.

From there distribute the worlds wealth through the population, 63 trillion / 7 billion = 9000 dollars per head. 9000 / half a million Satoshi's = 0.018 or about 2c a Satoshi, 1.8 million per coin (surprised how close that came out Smiley )

But this distribution would need to be forced somehow otherwise it will never happen.
Or will everyone just allow the coin in their wallet to be distributed over the world?
So we will never see an equal distribution of bitcoin. It is not evenly distributed now and it will never be evenly distributed in the future.
And counting in satoshis is unfair when pople in this community sometimes already own thousands of bitcoin.

I'm talking about the economics of this community owning already half of the future total of bitcoin.
Then, even with your evaluation, this little community will own about half of the worlds currency.
Of course some of that will be spent, but it would still be the biggest amount of wealth owned by the smallest group of peaople ever in history of humanity.


So you haven't heard of the Rothschild's then.
1429  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What to invest in on the GLBSE? on: September 16, 2012, 11:12:33 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=78.0

http://www.stochastically.com/
1430  Other / Off-topic / Re: De-centralizing the internet?! on: September 16, 2012, 10:58:13 AM
Check the FNF out - http://thefnf.org/?page_id=738
1431  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: Starfish BCB - Loans and Deposits on: September 16, 2012, 10:10:39 AM
I'm not joining the bank run my small amount of compounding coins are yours to hold until you shut up shop.  I'm sure you would repay me just like HashKing has nearly finished doing and I expect him to repay the final amount in the near future.
1432  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: Hashkings Lending,Deposit 1.25% INSURED, ALL PPT ACCOUNTS CLOSING ON 8/19 on: September 16, 2012, 09:22:41 AM
Thanks HashKing just checked my wallet and you only owe me BTC1.00 now apart from the PPT deposits.
1433  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Trendon Shavers - Family Contact made on: September 16, 2012, 08:43:24 AM
I reckon Pirate has a load of cash and coin at his disposal maybe not the full amount owed but a lot and he just wants to keep it.  If he puts all the coin in a brain wallet he could just declare bankruptcy.
1434  Other / Off-topic / Re: Vlad "plots" aginst best freind scammer Matthew N. Wright on: September 16, 2012, 08:16:46 AM
Best case scenario, we get what we ask and Matthew gets deported.

Worst case scenario, Matt gets deported for illegal online gambling.

What makes you think that either of those things is even remotely likely to happen in the real world?

My best guess is nothing will happen.

And perhaps it's better that way.




I have to agree.  This suing MNW for a broken promise is daft and just helping deflect heat off Pirate.  An american would sue you for farting in his back yard for nasal assault if they thought they could make money on it.  Where's there blame there's a claim pff.  What he did was wrong but you don't just sue people because they pissed you off.  Go waist your money on solicitors then anyway this thread is just deflecting heat off suing Pirate.  Who did actually take lots of peoples money.

Edit:  I'm not saying what MNW did wasn't wrong. It was a definite scam as I'm sure he would have kept they payments if he won.  So this scam shouldn't be forgotten. 
1435  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Name suggestions for a Pit Bull dog on: September 16, 2012, 07:03:59 AM
Luna or Zigga/Zigger my Pit is called Bobbie and she is nine this year.  Don't give it a macho name these dogs have enough of an image problem.

1436  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin needs a free and uncensored internet to flourish. on: September 15, 2012, 11:58:27 PM
If bitcoin did gain moderate adoption and the powers that be ...

Stopped reading there, and who that "powers that be" are in reality? Could be people like us which are appointed to do certain tasks by me an you?

If bitcoin did gain moderate adoption and the powers that be ...

Stopped reading there, and who that "powers that be" are in reality? Could be people like us which are appointed to do certain tasks by me an you?

Who are the powers that be? Continue your daily routine exactly as you do now, but refuse to pay any tax, ever. In time, the powers that be will gladly introduce themselves to you. (Unless of course you do not have lawful, gainful employment, a legal residence, and live in a 3rd world country.)

Well you can't argue a free and uncensored internet wouldn't but help the bitcoin network to grow and flourish.  If all the exchanges and stuff were being forced onto I2p and Tor sites away from the normal internet well then they wouldn't have to worry with The Free Network Foundations idea.
1437  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin needs a free and uncensored internet to flourish. on: September 15, 2012, 11:29:18 PM
Donate - http://commons.thefnf.org/index.php/Needs
1438  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Bitcoin needs a free and uncensored internet to flourish. on: September 15, 2012, 11:17:07 PM
If bitcoin did gain moderate adoption and the powers that be thought they were loosing to much tax they may clamp down on bitcoin.  This is why we should support The Free Network Foundation as much as possible - http://thefnf.org/

http://commons.thefnf.org/index.php/Free_network_definition

Free network definition

The fundamental dialectic of our struggle is this: will we be enslaved by our technology, or liberated by it? It was in cognizance of this notion, and in service to our collective freedom that the Free Software Movement was born. It is in this spirit that we aim here to define exactly what it means to say that a network is free. We hope that the existence of this definition will help illuminate the path to a more just world.
Our intention is to build communications systems that are owned by the people that use them, that allow participants to own their own data, and that use end-to-end encryption and cryptographic trust mechanisms to assure privacy. We call such systems 'free networks' and they are characterized by the following five freedoms:

Freedom 0) The freedom to participate in the network.

Freedom 0 regards your right to organize cooperative networks.
Conventional networks are characterized by a distinction between provider and user. This mode of organization encourages network operation in the service of self-interest. The provider builds and owns the infrastructure, and the user pays for access. In a free network, however, nodes connect to one another, rather than to a single, monolithic provider. By nature of its design, a free network is owned by those that make use of it. Participants act as providers and users as the same time, and growth is auto-distributed by treating any profits as investment. In this way, those that join the network are able to become owners. This mode of organization encourages network operation in the service of the common good.

Freedom 1) The freedom to determine where one's bits are stored.

Freedom 1 regards your right to own the material stores of your data.
Conventional networks encourage (if not force) their participants to store their data in machines which are under the administrative auspices of an external service provider or host. Most folks are not able to serve data from their homes. Participants ought to be free to store their own data (so that it is under their care) without sacrificing their ability to publish it.

Freedom 2) The freedom to determine the parties with whom one's bits are shared.

Freedom 2 regards your right to control access to your data.
Data mining and the monetization of sharing has become common practice. Participants should be free to chose those with whom they would like to share a given piece of information. Only someone who owns their own data can fully exercise this freedom, but it is an issue regardless of where the relevant bits are stored.

Freedom 3) The freedom to transmit bits to one's peers without the prospect of interference, interception or censorship.

Freedom 3 regards the right to speak freely with your peers.
Information flows in conventional networks are routinely and intentionally intercepted, obstructed, and censored. This is done at the behest of corporate and state actors around the world. In a free network, private communications should remain unexamined from the time they enter the network until the time they reach their destination.

Freedom 4) The freedom to maintain anonymity, or to present a unique, trusted identity.

Freedom 4 regards your right to construct your own identity
There is increasing pressure to forbid anonymity, and yet trustworthy communications remain rare. While it is essential to liberty that individuals be able to remain anonymous in the online public sphere, it is also essential that they be able to construct and maintain persistent, verifiable identities. Such identities might bear a legal name, a common name, or an avatar that masks one's corporeal self – individuals could have many such identities, and switch between them at will. Clear delineation between anonymous, pseudonymous, and onymous actors would enable all of us to better asses the trustworthiness of others on the network.

http://commons.thefnf.org/index.php/Free_network_definition


http://commons.thefnf.org/index.php/Freenet_Manifesto

Freenet Manifesto

Stage 1: The Co-op

Stage one consists of the emergence of network access cooperatives. Stage one has already begun, so instead of speaking hypothetically, I will tell you what it looks like on the ground. I'm not entirely sure of the legality, but I am sure of the justice. Here in Grinnell, IA, the Free Network Movement has built a mesh network that we call grinnellMIND. It allows us to share a single internet connection amongst many physically disparate locations. I live on Broad Street, Dylan lives on Main Street, Martin lives on Park Street, and Anna lives on East. We and many others are able to purchase Internet access cooperatively, thus driving down the amount that each of us pays. This works especially well because of the asynchronous nature of network usage - if we each bought our own connections, they would lay dormant much of the time. We imagine that some day, the entire town of Grinnell might purchase access cooperatively. That day has not yet arrived, but we think it is on its way. This struggle for collective purchasing will have to happen in many towns and cities, the world over. It will have to happen for city blocks and subdivisions, in residential towers and intentional communities. This won't be easy to accomplish, especially when telcos catch wind of what's going on. Still, the obvious economic advantage to the end user (reduced cost) makes this an easy sell to the people.

Stage 2: The Digital Village

The unseen benefit of the aforementioned co-ops is that they wrest the terminal nodes of the network away from the control of the telco/ISP hegemony. This provides for the opportunity of network applications that are truly peer-to-peer. At first, this will only be able to happen within each isolated cooperative community. Imagine that Grinnell (or some other town) makes shared use of a few pipes, whose flow of information is distributed accross the last mile via mesh. Now imagine that each node of that mesh network is a Diaspora pod running a codebase that is specifically designed for use in mesh networks (this is in development, but a ways off). People will still have to rely on the big pipes for access to the wider internet, but to pass each other messages and participate in social networking, at least within the town of Grinnell, we will have achieved a truly peer-to-peer architecture. Thus arises the digital village. What used to be just a co-op for purchasing access has suddenly become a community that is able to share information directly with one another. It takes only a little more imagination to see that Diaspora is one of many applications that could run on this architecture. I happen to believe that the social network is the network's 'killer-app,' and so I have chosen to use Diaspora as an example.

Stage 3: Towards Unity

Stages 2 and 3 are separated here for clarity, but it seems likely that stage 3 will begin shortly after stage 2, and take place concomitantly. Stage 3 is quite simple. Using packet tunneling (something like Freenet or TOR, to give an idea) in concert with the existing global network, we can simulate the contiguity of geographically disparate digital villages. Suddenly, people all over the world are able to share with one another directly. Specify a user@a_node@a_network and you've got a unique address for each network user. Of course, the corporate giants still own the backbone at this stage, which is why we can only say *towards* unity. No uprising until Stage 4, please.

Stage 4: A Backbone of our Own

Stage 4 is when the dream of true co-ownership becomes a reality. We are already starting in on what needs to be done here, because it's a pretty tall order, and will take some time. (You gotta do what you gotta do). In Stage 4, we replace investor-owned fiber backbones with user-owned backbones.
This won't come cheap, but freedom is never free. It will take time, attention, energy, and materials. Community owned fiber networks, funded by real-estate loans from member-owned credit unions can be built. Some creative sofware developers in a city can develop an open-source precision farming system, and provide support and maintenance, in exchange for having some of those farmers using it to run a tiling machine plow across the prairies, burying 100 gigabit capable fiber bundles from Denver to Chicago.
Satellite dishes or TV-Band towers could replace the pipes that used to come from the ISP, and their connectivity could be distributed throughout every digital village. The only cost that anyone would ever have to pay for network access would be the cost of a mesh node (could be integrated into a PC, or shareable stand alone). Not everyone will be able to afford a node, which is why the roadmap doesn't end with

Stage 5: A Human Right

Once the Mesh Interface for Network Devices is global, we can focus our energies towards providing a node to anyone who wants one. We believe that access to the network is a human right, and this is our vision for supplying it to all of humanity.
We must be able to articulate what the basic human right for network access is. How many bits per second, and what is the acceptable latency? The existing commercial network could easily carry several megabits in the framing overhead of 10 gigabit networks. Having thousands of free network users who report outages as they happen becomes the world's most effective and advanced method for providing reliable zero-downtime business class network service.
Businesses which do not see the long-term people, planet, and profits benefit of unfiltered (but bandwidth limited) freedom network access will be out of business in 25 years.

http://commons.thefnf.org/index.php/Freenet_Manifesto

Donate - http://commons.thefnf.org/index.php/Needs
1439  Economy / Securities / Re: RSM - 120(GH/s)/2600shares 46(MH/s)[0.30BTC] a share 1(GH/s) for 6.50BTC - ASIC on: September 15, 2012, 08:31:55 PM
RSM now has a irc chatroom on freenode #RSM  I'll try and man it as much as possible to answer questions.

http://webchat.freenode.net/  channel:RSM
1440  Economy / Securities / Re: [Investment fund] Gamma Bitcoin Fund [Infrastructure change inside!] on: September 15, 2012, 06:32:15 PM
RSM - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=63257.0 - just needs to sell ~250 shares @BTC0.30 each to be operating at 48(MH/s)per share on delivery of our ASIC's.  I know were not issuing dividends until we receive the hardware but that's a better (MH/s)per share rate then most if not all our competitors.  Were planning on issuing 300 new shares on Monday at BTC0.30 each to take us to >51.6(MH/s)per share.  Although if we can shift another ~1400 shares at BTC0.30 we would be operating at >54(MH/s)per share or 1(GH/s)@<BTC5.55.  Just thought I'd let you know.  We've been operating over seven months now and I know Nefario personally.
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