http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_circuit_packaging nothing to do with plastic bags or couriers. Daft term

Newspapers aren't assembled by hand. Rolls of paper go into the press and bundles of papers roll out into the loading bay. I served my apprenticeship in the newspaper press business. They are picked up and delivered late Saturday night in some cases too which is why they are on news progs on telly late Saturday night.. The machinery producing the boards will run 24/7 from the start of production until it's all done with no day1 or day 2 and no stopping except for breakdown and maintenance if needed ...that's just a line in the sand for us that doesn't matter at all at their end as long as the right numbers can be produced to ship what they promised on day1 and day2. If you got a day2 order on day1 which is likely for someone ..you'd care less wouldn't you?

The machines are pouring out parts to assemblers, not into trucks...we've been through all that already. I thought it was all going to be automated too until it was proved otherwise. They will need putting together and the pool details entering and testing and packing securely , and for some the hosting setup sorting. Not an instant process. Not something they have done before either in this volume is it?

I don't want a rushed rig, something that arrives a day late and doesn't last due to some easily avoided fault or lack of testing. Losing a day or two of early mining pales to nothing compared to what you'd lose if it broke...as BFL customers found out in some cases.

Posting a load of photos of people assembling racks, then nothing shown for production...not a pixel. Does that make an ounce of sense at this stage if they are in production? So easy to do. Why wouldn't they?

Don't you need to believe they'll do what they say to be a fan?
The refund backpedal / broken promise alone would cast doubt in a sensible mind.

Fear? Some people in this thread have been very vocal about KnC but they have no reason to do that. Nasty business that TH thing. Worse if it gets in the media and twisted all over the place.

The update about them "seeing millions of components arrive here" a few days ago doesn't match that scenario even if it does make most sense. What components would be arriving in Sweden if they weren't assembled there? Also weren't rigs immediately being set up in their hosting facility in Sweden when finished? They definitely gave the impression they were being assembled in Sweden.

Could be two separate production facilites..and could be a lot more rigs than we imagine if they are separate order books too.

Damn, I thought you might be on a plane to Abbaland now. Have they asked you to go by any specific time yet? I ask because apparently China's having a launch party with a working rig on the 29th in Shanghai...and China is half a day ahead of us giving them a day and a half to get it there? Surely they aren't releasing them there 1st?

I appreciate your reports and time spent passing on information to us too, it was extra info that was useful to a lot of us.
Good luck with the tottie.

Pulling a rabbit from a hat is unexpected , delivering on time as promised...that's  not.
There are other magic tricks concerning making things like money vanish by misdirection. lol

All they needed to do was say "Right. The first rigs will be in customer's hands on the 29th, production started today or starts tomorrow" . Not dramatic, but logical and much nicer for people who are waiting ...and even trying to make sure they will be around to collect the package.

A unit in China? On the 29th? Where are these being produced again? Millions of components were arriving in Sweden a few days ago, and I was under the impression that was where they were being assembled?

So, either a rig is going half way round the world by 29th...or all rigs are doing the reverse?
The first option seems most likely so that means a finished rig by tomorrow evening to get there for that demo. They'll lose half a day in transit due to timezones.

Someone could be posting pics late tomorrow..which may explain Bitcoinorama vanishing?

He's making the simple point that "fun" is not a thing a lot of people mine BTC for. For some it's an investment for the future for example.
Why are you telling people what to do when their reason to be involved in BTC is just different from yours?
He's right about most people could find better hobbies too, especially that some people really do need to get laid. It's a much more pleasant way to get screwed

Can you imagine how many refunds they may be asked for if they miss the end of the month and still no news?
No wonder they would wish to stop people requesting refunds if they can manage it with a valid reason.

I'd say a cancellation is a pretty major change of an order wouldn't you? 

When I first saw KnC they were saying a couple of things that I got mixed up for a short time, they were talking about a litecoin rig and modular miners...and for a short time I had a picture of a dual miner, one module mining each ..the litecoins paying the power bill while the other mined BTC.

You're right about people finding a way to use all this kit I think, necessity is the mother of invention.

Back in 1995 Internet exploder was by far the top browser, Chrome didn't exist....no-one would have believed what we have now. Maybe well all end up looking back and wishing we'd been mining another currency that follows the same path as BTC has.

Anyone looking at the mining dashboard estimates before buying ANY rigs now...that's got to be a cooler. You struggle to find anything that will reach break even on there now, except the Jupiter delivered in Sept/ Oct and the price is the november discount one not the price anyone actually likely to get one in those months paid.

Even if it's not accurate it's bound to make people think twice unlike 2 or 3 months back when it looked a lot rosier if not exactly bright.

I think it's possible that miners will become much harder to sell, and even moreso on pre-order given the near future losses they are likely to make. Some serious price cuts would be required to improve that.

Even at 5k, would you buy a Jupiter today knowing it would arrive in mid November and never break even? That's looking likely now. So who is going to be buying them?  

These things aren't being manufactured on the starship Enterprise, no teleporters or replicators to instantly crate or transport components and they won't be configured by a moaning scottish engineer at the last minute to produce 110% more power either.

In the real world even trivial things take time, especially if you need it to be done well enough.
The list of things left to be done in so few days is not trivial.

And yeah you sarcastic arse, I have years of production manufacturing experience...not in electronics primarily but the principles are the same in general.

I'm reminded of that guy falling from a building who says he's fine all the way down..it's only at the final moment that his optimism and refusal to see what's really going on dawns on him and then it's a bit late.

See. that makes no fucking sense at all. Posting a video of something that was done weeks ago as a teaser at this point?
I saw the pic of the board and heatsinks too, and based on that I assumed they were on top of that and we were just waiting for chips ...then up pops that video teaser of them apparently manufacturing boards?

In their place and pushed for time they should be sitting ready for the chips now. This is no place for JIT practices, it's a race.

I thought it would be very close, then they posted that video of the boards being manufactured ...cast a lot of doubt for me. After all, they were talking about the boards being tested weeks ago and posting pics of them. I assumed they'd got that job well under way or complete by now just ready for chips until that comment about "millions of components arriving" , and now that video making sense of the comment. A lot to do in days, and that assumes all runs smoothly.

I still think that simply packing and shipping and setting up the pool details etc. which are nothing to do with manufacturing isn't a minor endevour and will take some time. Not to mention populating that data centre. Very labour intensive stuff that needs to be done right.

Fuck that video was a shock to see for me. WTF are they doing? The chip production..easy to understand why that's tight on time, but they are only now starting the boards? I'd have thought that was part of the production process that they could be ahead of by a mile.

I was afraid of this when they mentioned "millions" of components arriving. Seems that currently (realistically) the only finished components are the case and the power supplies we buy. With 6 days to go. I find optimism difficult verging on silly now.

That would be a clever way to keep their promises and give themselves some leeway.

I hope they thought of it

Every other ASIC has been late and the reputation of the company destroyed. We're talking about normal QA procedures here, international standards, AFTER the initial few rigs are out of the door. After they have met that deadline or come close..they can afford to be more intense with their QC if they wish. Formula one is a pretty good analogy.

Their initial production costing and unit retail prices will have taken into account waste..if not they shouldn't be even allowed to build with Lego.

This has been covered. They are burning in the rigs. They said so. Not for long though.
I'll spell it out for you a lot simpler since you seem unable or unwilling to understand.
1) First few orders only...assemble as fast as possible, test them to check they work as spec ..get them to customers as is Wylie Coyote is chasing them. Any of that 1st batch that don't measure up...put to one side/scrap. These rigs are modular, and they are going to supply DIY upgrades when all orders are done. So any problems can probably be fixed that way for speed.

2) They fuck about, test everything...end up with the same number of working miners, less scrap...and their reputation alongside the scrap in the bin. Late. Missed the deadline. That's a big thing. To scrap the bad units from a batch of 100 rigs...what's that cost compared to their rep? Not a lot.

Boils down to wasting a grand or two of components initially, against a shitload of future sales. It's nothing. They have given more than that away in free rigs and loads more on advertising.