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1441  Economy / Securities / Re: AMC Discussion Thread (not self moderated) on: March 26, 2013, 07:13:55 AM
This thread is not self moderated, so people can actually express their opinions!

AMC is selling shares for at least 1 BTC with a 0.01 btc early bird special. Roll Eyes

Net Estimated Revenue/Year/Share 0.00708687 BTC

That is 0.7% a year if you buy it for 1 BTC.

Developing their own "Fast-Hash-240" miners Roll Eyes

Asset issuer ran a company that has being administratively dissolved Roll Eyes

Topic is self moderated  Roll Eyes

Did not need the company an more, check the [Bitfunder] tread for why if you are interested.
Wrong we are selling ~8,000 shares at .01.
What is the return if you buy it for .01 BTC, yes 100X that which you can do now, when unfroze.
Investors get all of the .01 BTC back before I get anything.  
Not wrong. You specified that future shares will be only sold for at least 1 BTC.

Are you even planning to sell the shares at 1 BTC or is that simply to mislead investors in thinking they can quickly flip them?

The early-adopter shares will be sold for no less that .01, we are going to need capital for development of the 45nm chip, so we
will be selling a lot more at .01 if we can make a deal with the Major Semiconductor Company we are talking with.
Yes, if we need to sell them to raise capital for development.
1442  Economy / Securities / Re: AMC Discussion Thread (not self moderated) on: March 26, 2013, 07:08:37 AM
This thread is not self moderated, so people can actually express their opinions!

AMC is selling shares for at least 1 BTC with a 0.01 btc early bird special. Roll Eyes

Net Estimated Revenue/Year/Share 0.00708687 BTC

That is 0.7% a year if you buy it for 1 BTC.

Developing their own "Fast-Hash-240" miners Roll Eyes

Asset issuer ran a company that has being administratively dissolved Roll Eyes

Topic is self moderated  Roll Eyes

Did not need it any more.  Thinking about re registering it.
I can't get over how you managed to screw up a web hosting template up for axs.net

What do you mean? 
1443  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] AMC - Active Mining Cooperative on: March 26, 2013, 06:31:30 AM
Who is Virtual Mining Corporation (VMC) a Delaware Corporation and Active Mining Cooperative (AMC)
and what do we do?

Active Mining Corporation (AMC) is a Belize International Business Company DBA Active Mining Cooperative
and is made up of a team of dedicated Bitcoin mining professionals with
over 30 years of combined experience in the ISP Business including Internet Access and Web Hosting,
Graphics Design, Cloud Development, Computer Programming in Multiple Languages, FPGA Hardware And
Software Design, Complete Systems Design, Web Design, and System Administration.
  
The team has been involved with Bitcoins since 2009.  AMC has purchased and will operate Application
Specific Integrated Circuit (ASIC) Bitcoin mining machines and is developing an ASIC chip and PCB
that it will license to VMC for use in their Fast-Hash series of Bitcoin Mining Machines.  AMC is
developing ASIC chips on the 45nm and soon the 28nm process.  AMC's ASIC 45nm chips will have fast
speeds of 6 to 9 GH/s with low power usage.  The 28nm chips are estimated to have speeds of 9 to 15
GH/s per chip which will be in VMC's Fast-Hash-XXT series of machines which will have even more speed
and even lower power usage. VMC may purchase ASIC chips from different vendors if available.

AMC is using the most innovative technology available to develop their chips on the 45nm process and soon
the 28nm process.  Investors in AMC will receive the benefits of having dividends paid out as
soon as AMC starts mining with it's purchased Avalon's and/or purchasing of G.AsicMiner-PT shares.
Investors in AMC will see big benefits when AMC develops it's own ASIC chip and VMC creates its Fast-Hash
series of Bitcoin mining machines.  AMC will receive license fees in the form of Bitcoin mining machines
at cost and royalties from VMC for it's technology.

VMC is in talks with a Major Semiconductor Company which can deliver prototype/Low Volume chips to VMC in
a 5-10 week time frame after the RTL code for the ASIC chip is ported to their chip and the timing on the
chip has been closed.

VMC will provide the Bitcoin Mining Equipment below ("Mining Equipment") to AMC at VMC's manufacturing
cost for the use of AMC's developed technology for the equipment below as a licensed fee for
VMC to use all of AMC's developed technology.  VMC will also pay AMC a 10% royalty on all other sales
using AMC's developed technology.

Web Site:    www.virtualminingcorp.com
Facebook:   https://www.facebook.com/pages/Fast-Hash/319110168218206
Twitter:    @VirtualMiningCo
Phone:      1+(855) ONE-BITCOIN (663-2482)
  
*** Business Experience:

Slaughter Vending and Amusement, Pegasus Business Systems, Advanced Learning Systems, Advanced Software
Solutions, Active Internet Communications - ISP Business axs(tm).net which produced over 2.5 Million
in revenue and over 10,000 customers in 49 states, Canada, and Puerto Rico with over 10 employees.
Turn-key Web Hosting Business running on Amazon.com, Bitcoin mining since 2009.
 
*** Software packages developed:

Internet Cruiser(tm) web browser, Virtual 3D Environments, Individual Profile System(tm) (IPS), Neural
Network, Anonymous Bitcoin Exchange software, Automobile Collision Repair System(tm) (ACRS)

*** Cloud Development:

Web Hosting Business: shopping-cart-now.com running on Amazon.com
 
*** Web Sites Developed With Graphics:

TahoeUltimateRentals.com, shopping-cart-now.com, votecliffyoung.com, and votecliffyoung.com plus many
more over the years.

*** ASIC Development:

AMC has Synthesized it's Bitcoin Mining source code to create RTL for the xc6xlt150 FPGA.  This code is in
the process of being ported to a Major Semiconductor Company's ASIC chip.  The Semiconductor Company will
then close timing on the design for the ASIC chip.  After timing closure, Prototype and Low Volume
production of the ASIC chips will begin.

After production begins, the ASIC chips can be delivered to VMC in a 5-10 week time frame.  VMC will-at
the same time-start the high production process for 28nm chip with an estimated maximum time of 12
months.  VMC will use the 45nm Low Volume production process for VMC products until the 28nm high
production process is ready.  VMC has also received licenses on Printed Circuit Board (PCB) designs for
xc6xlt150 FPGA Boards.  The ASIC chip will be developed as a drop in replacement for the FPGA chips on
these boards.  AMC may purchase Bitcoin Mining Chips or PCB from other vendors if available.  

*** Bitcoin Network:

With AMC adding hashing power over the next 24 months, AMC does not expect to have over
50% of the hashing power at any one time on the Bitcoin network.  If AMC excedes 45% of
the hashing power on the Bitcoin Network, AMC will not add anymore hashing power until
AMC is below 40% of the hashing power on the Bitcoin Network.  Also other Bitcoin
manufacturing companies and miners like Avalon, BFL, ASICminer, and our own VMC will
be selling Bitcoin Mining Machines to the public or will be using their own ASIC's to
mine for Bitcoins.

=============================================================================================================

AMC operates ASIC Bitcoin mining equipment which results in mining Bitcoins for income.

Bitcoin ASIC Mining Equipment Purchased:

6  Avalon Batch 2   @  64 GH/s each for a total of:
         384 GH/s (Batch 2 started shipping April 15, 2013) (Purchased and Confirmed)


See Images For Avalon confirmations.       

Units to be provided to AMC by VMC at manufacturers cost:

The following will be ordered from VMC if funds are available and the units are developed.
AMC will have the first right of refusal on the below units developed by VMC and any future
developed units.  Additional units will be provided at lowest retail value minus the 10%
royalty fee.

100 Fast-Hash-80's**   @  80 GH/s each for a total of: 8 TH/s
                        Specifications: 110nm 282 MH/s chip 75 chips per board 4 boards per unit
                        Estimated retail value @ ~$6,000 each for a total of $600,000
                        (Estimated to be delivered August 2013)

100 Fast-Hash-80's**   @  80 GH/s each for a total of: 8 TH/s
                        Specifications: 110nm 282 MH/s chip 75 chips per board 4 boards per unit
                        Estimated retail value @ ~$6,000 each for a total of $600,000
                        (Estimated to be delivered October 2013)

100 Fast-Hash-80's**   @  80 GH/s each for a total of: 8 TH/s
                        Specifications: 110nm 282 MH/s chip 75 chips per board 4 boards per unit
                        Estimated retail value @ ~$6,000 each for a total of $600,000
                        (Estimated to be delivered December 2013)

100 Fast-Hash-80's**   @  80 GH/s each for a total of: 8 TH/s
                        Specifications: 110nm 282 MH/s chip 75 chips per board 4 boards per unit
                        Estimated retail value @ ~$6,000 each for a total of $600,000
                        (Estimated to be delivered February 2013)

100 Fast-Hash-400's**   @  400 GH/s each for a total of: 40 TH/s
                        Specifications: 45nm 6 GH/s chip 75 chips per board 1 board per unit
                        Estimated retail value @ ~$30,000 each for a total of $3,000,000
                        (Estimated to be delivered March 2014)

100 Fast-Hash-800's**   @ 800 GH/s each for a total of: 80 TH/s
                        Specifications: 45nm 6 GH/s chip 75 chips per board 2 boards per unit
                        Estimated retail value @ ~$60,000 each for a total of $6,000,000
                        (Estimated to be delivered May 2013)

100 Fast-Hash-1.2T's**   @  1.2 TH/s each for a total of: 120 TH/s
                        Specifications: 28nm 9 GH/s chip 75 chips per board 1 board per unit  
                        Estimated retail value @ ~$100,000 each for a total of $10,000,000
                        (Estimated to be delivered July 2014)

100 Fast-Hash-2.4T's**   @  2.4 TH/s each for a total of: 240 TH/s
                        Specifications: 28nm 9 GH/s chip 75 chips per board 2 board per unit  
                        Estimated retail value @ ~$200,000 each for a total of $20,000,000
                        (Estimated to be delivered September 2014)

100 Fast-Hash-4.8T's**   @  4.8 TH/s each for a total of: 480 TH/s
                        Specifications: 28nm 9 GH/s chip 75 chips per board 4 board per unit  
                        Estimated retail value @ ~$400,000 each for a total of $40,000,000
                        (Estimated to be delivered December 2014)




We will also be buying shares of G.AsicMiner-PT on Bitfunder as they become reasonably priced to
provide dividend income to AMC share holders.  These shares will be sold as AMC needs capital for it's
ASIC development and to purchase Bitcoin Mining Equipment.

We currently own 0 shares of G.AsicMiner-PT as of the Initial Public Offering date.  Check the reports
on bitfunder.com for the current mining companies and number of shares owned.

* Different quantities or other Bitcoin Mining Machines may be provided if the above are not
available, developed, specification changes, or the market changes.  All specifications and delivery
dates are subject to change.

** Fast-Hash-XXX is a trademark of VMC developed Bitcoin Mining Machines.  AMC will receive the
above machines at manufacturers cost.  AMC will also receive a 10% royalty from VMC on all other
VMC sales using AMC's technologies.
=============================================================================================================

Total Bitcoin Mining Equipment Speed by March 2015 (992,384,000 MH/s * 992,384 GH/s * 992.384 TH/s)

=============================================================================================================
=============================================================================================================

AMC Offering:

AMC's offering is comprised of 100,000,000 shares in total.

1 share of AMC on BitFunder represents 1/100,000,000th of 100% of the monthly profits after all expenses.

AMC shares offer no voting rights. Shares of AMC on BitFunder do not represent real world shares of the
company.  The shares are solely a distribution mechanism for rights to profits.

20,000,000 shares will be retained by AMC to maintain a growth and expansion fund.

As of the time of this writing, up to 40,000,000 will be released over time to the public on a varying
time scale as capital is required to complete the project.  Any remaining shares not included in the
IPO are owned/maintained/controlled by AMC. These shares will be used at the issuers discretion
for any uses deemed fit. These uses are not limited to, but may include employment.

The funds from the IPO will be used to create a fund for purchasing ASIC chips, research and development,
manufacturing deposits, chip production and development, PCB production and development, licensing fees,
and other necessary needs for developing an ASIC chip and PCB for Bitcoin mining.  The funds will be
invested in G.AsicMiner-PT on Bitfunder.com or other Bitcoin mining shares that pay dividends until
the funds are needed for the above usages.  The funds may also be used to purchase Bitcoin Mining Machines
from VMC or any other manufacture of Bitcoin Mining Machines or any other source of Bitcoin Mining
Machines which will increase the dividends for investors.

Should the Cooperative be sold or closed, the full amount of the purchase price, liquidated income,
and any mining revenue not distributed will be evenly distributed to the 100,000,000 shares.

So long as AMC is a company of less than 4 employees, no salaries will be paid as expenses,
and are only paid as dividend payments.

Mining Expenses:

Expenses will only be charged for the following direct mining equipment expenses:  Utilities,
Equipment Maintenance and Repair, Mining Equipment Space Rental, Internet Access, Mining Equipment
System Administration and Maintenance, Mining Pool Fees, and any other necessary direct miscellaneous
mining equipment operational expenses. Total Mining Expense will not exceed 10% of the Yearly Gross
Revenue.

Early-Adopters:

AMC may issue up to 20,000,000 "Early-Adopters" shares which may be posted for no less than 0.0005 BTC
each and will also issue 20,000,000 growth and expansion fund shares to AMC.  The "Early-Adopter" shares
may be posted in batches with the first batch being 5,000,000 shares.  Only the first 40,000,000 issued
shares will receive 100% of the monthly profits after all expenses until the total dividends paid is
equal to .0005 BTC per share.  AMC will only issue 40,000,000 shares (20,000,00 "Early-Adopter and
20,000,000 AMC growth and expansion fund shares) until the total dividends paid is equal to 0.0005 BTC
per share and 12 months have elaped from the date of the initial offering.  Should it be determined that
it is not feasible to develop an ASIC chip, then the remaining funds in the research and development/purchase
fund will be added the growth and expansion fund.

Additional shares may be sold at no less than .001 BTC each.

Statements and Accounting:

Detailed statement and accounting will be provided on Bitfunder.com

Dividends:

Dividends will be paid within 48 hours for the prior weeks profits.  Reports will be posted on Bitfunder.

Dividends paid on unissued shares after the early-adopter phase will be retained by AMC and added to
AMC's growth and expansion fund above until the shares are issued.

Mining Pools:

AMC will initially use mining pools, but AMC may also use solo mining.

Forced Buy Back:

No forced buyback may be enforced for shares of AMC.

Equipment:

All equipment listed in this offer will be sold to AMC at the average manufacturing cost for
the unit or a like unit.

After VMC's initial delivery of the above mining equipment, AMC will have first right
of refusal on any equipment manufactured by VMC and said equipment will be paid for by AMC.  
VMC will not charge AMC a price which is higher than the lowest price VMC has sold the
equipment or like equipment to any other customer or if the equipment has not been sold
before, then the posted price on VMC's web site.

Bitcoin Network:

With AMC adding hashing power over the next 24 months, AMC does not expect to have over
50% of the hashing power at any one time on the Bitcoin network.  If AMC excedes 45% of
the hashing power on the Bitcoin Network, AMC will not add anymore hashing power until
AMC is below 40% of the hashing power on the Bitcoin Network.  Also other Bitcoin
manufacturing companies and miners like Avalon, BFL, ASICminer, and our own VMC will
be selling Bitcoin Mining Machines to the public or will be using their own ASIC's to
mine for Bitcoins.

Estimated AMC 24 Months Projections:

Difficulty for this estimate is 40 times the current difficulty.

Estimated Net Income for AMC through for the first 24 months of operation:

Estimated as of this writing with 40 times the current Difficulty of 8,974,296 or
a Difficulty of 358,971,840 (~6,903,305 per difficulty adjustment) and a decline
in profitability of .61 per year.

See images of a screen-shot of the "Bitcoin mining profitability calculator" of our projections.

==========================================================================================================
**********************************************************************************************************

Estimated Gross(less power, less 10% expenses) Revenue 24 Months                                            562,356.353353846 BTC

**********************************************************************************************************
Early Adopters: 40,000,000 Issued Shares
Estimated Gross(less power, less 10% expenses) Revenue 24 Months / Share                                          0.014058909 BTC

Fully Diluted: 100,000,000 Issued Shares
Estimated Gross(less power, less 10% expenses) Revenue 24 Months / Share                                          0.005623564 BTC

**********************************************************************************************************

Return on Investment(ROI) Early Adopters: 40,000,000 Issued Shares

  Net Estimated ROI/24 Months Early-Adopters @ .0005 BTC/Share                        2,812%/24 Months for an APR of  1,405%

Return on Investment(ROI) Fully Diluted: 100,000,000 Issued Shares

  Net Estimated ROI/24 Months Early-Adopters @ .001 BTC/Share                           562% /24 Months for an APR of     281%

**********************************************************************************************************
==========================================================================================================
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1444  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] Asset Exchange Marketplace + Rewritable Options Trading on: March 26, 2013, 06:28:43 AM
What happened to your former venture and why was it administratively dissolved?

Didn't need the Corporation any more, I was working with Achronix on their 22nm FPGA, it was to slow and cost to much.  My re-register the corp in Delaware.
1445  Economy / Securities / Re: AMC Discussion Thread (not self moderated) on: March 26, 2013, 06:25:22 AM
Do you have a timeline for your chip development? What makes your chip different and competitive to what is available? Are there plans in place if there are delays? You're coming late into the ASIC gen, delays mean significantly lower returns to investors. How will you account for that?

Working with a Major Semiconductor company right now.  I can get prototype is 5-10 weeks on the 45nm process and soon the 28nm process, and starting mining with them.  That is why I have a hybrid mining and development plan, you start getting dividends as soon a my 6 Avalon's arrive, well the next week.  Yes, but the chips will be faster and use less power.  Let me know if I did not answer all you question or you have any more.

Ken
1446  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] Asset Exchange Marketplace + Rewritable Options Trading on: March 26, 2013, 06:19:21 AM
I have already check OR, not there.  So you want to hide it. 
1447  Economy / Securities / Re: AMC Discussion Thread (not self moderated) on: March 26, 2013, 06:13:07 AM
Not sure if its a scam or its just a misguided security.

The numbers were reworked. He still expects to have more than 51% of the hashing power.

Quote
Est Gross(less power) Revenue 12 Months 708,686.98 BTC

If he is serious, then the best thing for him to do is rework the IPO for 6 Avalon units only - what he has already pre-ordered. And then fund his growth from there AFTER showing that he can successfully mine.

Well, Yes if I buy or develop that many machines I would have that much power.  Our 45nm chips are expected to 6GH/s each.
1448  Economy / Securities / Re: AMC Discussion Thread (not self moderated) on: March 26, 2013, 06:11:24 AM
This thread is not self moderated, so people can actually express their opinions!

AMC is selling shares for at least 1 BTC with a 0.01 btc early bird special. Roll Eyes

Net Estimated Revenue/Year/Share 0.00708687 BTC

That is 0.7% a year if you buy it for 1 BTC.

Developing their own "Fast-Hash-240" miners Roll Eyes

Asset issuer ran a company that has being administratively dissolved Roll Eyes

Topic is self moderated  Roll Eyes

Did not need the company any more, check the [Bitfunder] tread for why if you are interested.
Wrong we are selling ~8,000 shares at .01.
What is the return if you buy it for .01 BTC, yes 100X that which you can do now, when unfroze.
Investors get all of the .01 BTC back before I get anything.  
1449  Economy / Securities / Re: AMC Discussion Thread (not self moderated) on: March 26, 2013, 06:07:28 AM
This thread is not self moderated, so people can actually express their opinions!

AMC is selling shares for at least 1 BTC with a 0.01 btc early bird special. Roll Eyes

Net Estimated Revenue/Year/Share 0.00708687 BTC

That is 0.7% a year if you buy it for 1 BTC.

Developing their own "Fast-Hash-240" miners Roll Eyes

Asset issuer ran a company that has being administratively dissolved Roll Eyes

Topic is self moderated  Roll Eyes

Didn't need it any more.  Thinking about re registering it.
1450  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] Asset Exchange Marketplace + Rewritable Options Trading on: March 26, 2013, 06:05:02 AM
So this is about a new security listed on Bitfunder. AMC.

They state that they will earn:

Quote
Est Gross(less power) Revenue 12 Months 2,847,472.08 BTC

How can anyone who is into mining make such a calculation mistake? How will they be making 2.8 million bitcoins with mining when only about 1.3 million bitcoins will be generated in a year?

Seriously, some vetting process needs to happen for companies that are being listed on exchanges. Promoter information should be listed - who they are, what experience do they have.

Wisard, You are right how could they make a mistake like that, being in a hurry when Avalon announced their 4X price increase and 3 days notice for batch 3 that is how.  All my personal information name, address and gee cell phone number on my Avalon receipts.  Any more questions?  Give me a call.
1451  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] Asset Exchange Marketplace + Rewritable Options Trading on: March 26, 2013, 06:02:23 AM
So this is about a new security listed on Bitfunder. AMC.

They state that they will earn:

Quote
Est Gross(less power) Revenue 12 Months 2,847,472.08 BTC

How can anyone who is into mining make such a calculation mistake? How will they be making 2.8 million bitcoins with mining when only about 1.3 million bitcoins will be generated in a year?

Seriously, some vetting process needs to happen for companies that are being listed on exchanges.

Maybe it is supposed to be in satoshis?

Yes, I made a mistake due to the fact of Avalon's 4X price increase and 3 days notice on batch 3.
1452  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] Asset Exchange Marketplace + Rewritable Options Trading on: March 26, 2013, 06:01:18 AM
I'm assuming AMC only used that delivery name and address as a formality, possibly before this new company was even conceived. The annual report is likely meaningless. Could just be that the guy runs a mining biz on the side and realized that being formally incorporated was overkill. I dunno...

I do agree that AMC as an asset covers a lot of areas (mining, dev, etc), making themselves a target for skepticism, and that they should find a way to segment things better. But hey, maybe that's why the asset has been frozen all weekend...

Anyway, wouldn't you say that AMC cannot represent a real security, as that would be illegal in the US. Isn't this all just "virtual" trading? Wink

Why am I chiming in? Mostly because the passive-aggressive marketing/bickering between BTCT and BF on features, assets, volume, etc, is nonsense. You both thrive off of each other, and the more time either of you spend focusing on the other, the less time you spend actually getting shit done so I can make more money using your systems Cheesy


ThickAsThieves, Yes it was designed to be a hybrid mining and development coop, this was to give the investors more protection.  Ukto suggested that we purchase ASICMiner shares, which I think is a good idea with cash(Bitcoins) which is not being used. i.e waiting on mining machines to be purchased, R&D not being used but needed the future, commitment of cash not being used but needed in the future.
1453  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] Asset Exchange Marketplace + Rewritable Options Trading on: March 26, 2013, 05:56:55 AM
AMC really should setup their own thread. It would be a better place to discuss it. Smiley
I have sent them a message asking to start a forum thread for you to discuss it with them.
They do have quite a few things needing discussion.

Sorry if my message is short, trying to push out an update. Fixing a firefox conflict. Wink

Just did, ask me any question you want.  I would be happy to answer any question you
may have.
1454  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] Asset Exchange Marketplace + Rewritable Options Trading on: March 26, 2013, 05:55:56 AM
I'm assuming AMC only used that delivery name and address as a formality, possibly before this new company was even conceived. The annual report is likely meaningless. Could just be that the guy runs a mining biz on the side and realized that being formally incorporated was overkill. I dunno...

I do agree that AMC as an asset covers a lot of areas (mining, dev, etc), making themselves a target for skepticism, and that they should find a way to segment things better. But hey, maybe that's why the asset has been frozen all weekend...

Anyway, wouldn't you say that AMC cannot represent a real security, as that would be illegal in the US. Isn't this all just "virtual" trading? Wink

Why am I chiming in? Mostly because the passive-aggressive marketing/bickering between BTCT and BF on features, assets, volume, etc, is nonsense. You both thrive off of each other, and the more time either of you spend focusing on the other, the less time you spend actually getting shit done so I can make more money using your systems Cheesy


This is NOT bickering and I did not take replying to someone else's post in the BitFunder thread lightly.  I knew damn well someone would bring it up, but outside of your comment answered in the next paragraph, this has nothing to do with BitFunder.  This is saving the fucking investors their money because noone has done any legwork or discussion on it anywhere.  (Incidentally, I didn't even start the discussion here?!)

I don't recall seeing any "it's virtual" claims anywhere on BitFunder.  (in fact, Ukyo has poked fun at btct.co for our legal efforts... https://btct.co/register ... https://bitfunder.com/terms/ )  And do I have to create a sock now just so I can discuss glaring issues with securities without being second-guessed?

This issuer is wanting to be the next BFL and is asking for hundreds of thousands of dollars.  The issuer is actively using unregistered trade names, which seems to have gone on twice in this IPO.  Most importantly, it demonstrates clearly the issuer's lack of awareness of the legal landscape.

AMC really should setup their own thread. It would be a better place to discuss it. Smiley

That would be good.


burnside, not twice, I was just providing proof of my orders which I like to have a company name on.  Yes, the Virtual Mining, Inc. lapsed, because I was working with Achronix on their 22nm FPGA which turned out to be to slow and cost to much, so I did not need the corporation any more.  How ever I am going to register it again.  If you really want me to I can pay the $10 for a fictitious name if that would make you happy.
1455  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] Asset Exchange Marketplace + Rewritable Options Trading on: March 26, 2013, 05:50:28 AM
First off, I think you really need to take a few hours to relax.

Secondly,
There are many other assets out there asking for people to put their money in with little to less information, esp regarding company relations.

Third,
You are correct. BitFunder makes no claims or suggestions that users BTC holdings or shares have no real world value should the need arise to be questioned for/by users.
Furthermore, BitFunder makes no assertions, or suggestions that any holdings therein are purely virtual within a contained "virtual economic ecosystem" with no tie-in to anything tangible.
Any agreement of real world tangibility is at the sole agreement between any issuer and it's members.
BitFunder makes no definitive claims to being a mediator, arbitrator, or enforcer of these direct agreements.

Fourth,
Not sure that I poked fun as much as questioned it. To my understanding your current ToS is outdated. "Bits" and all that. You have not wanted to fix it for 3 months now.
I think far more people make fun of BitFunders. Wink

Additionally,
When investing into anything that is pseudo-anonymous and unregulated online, you should always do your research, and check things out as best as you can.
Especially if they are claiming to be purely virtual to begin with, leaving little to no legal standing for any sort of recourse of action should it be needed.
No matter how hard you try, or what you check into, it is a gamble. You can only try your best.

As an operator, I try to keep an objective mind open about all assets. I will question the ones that sound funny to me, and look for what facts that can be determined.
I have my personal opinion on many assets. I can say I think X is a scam because of Y, or Z is a scam because they just over charge, or that Y is begging for money for
something I think will never take off. However, because I am an operator, that puts me in a very delicate position publicly. For this reason I try to keep those final thoughts
to myself, or to a few people who I may talk to privately about.

When it comes to BitFunder, I try to give everyone a fair chance. If they have something that has a possible chance of being worth investing in, regardless of if other people agree with it, think its overpriced, or whatever their personal opinions may be of it, it's worth letting them post it.

A good example would be if someone made a quick demo website, and said they wanted to post it for investments before launching, with no intentions to use the funds towards the website in question, no registered business, and asking for half a million dollars or more.
I would probably be highly wary of a possible scam, especially if the site required a registered entity to do its business and did not even have that ready.
While I might not outright deny such a high risk asset request, I would put special limitations on it.
In this case, since the funds are not required for the site to open, the income would remain frozen until the site fully launched, and proved it could do the things it claims.
This way users funds are at least protected to some extent, and a few minutes of work and some claims of what might happen in the future does not cost people tens, to hundreds of thousands in losses if the business was to never get registered, had launch problems, the banks close accounts, or the guy simply gives up an disappears with the funds.
All this without a promise to pay back the funding, because it was meant to go right into pocket regardless of what happens.
I do not know of other exchanges that would enforce such a thing on the users behalf before allowing it to launch currently.
Then again, there are only 5 or so and I could be highly mistaken. Smiley

In the case of AMC, he has proven (to the best that can be at the moment) that he has purchased some equipment, and looking for investment into the possible earnings of the equipment.
He may have and offer other ideals and concepts in the future, but nothing is promised or guaranteed. Since the current equipment has already been purchased for the asset, who is anyone to question what prices he sets to be part of it? Sure, he could set a price higher than most might pay. This just means that most.. will not pay it. People have minds to decide their own personal risk factor. Do I agree with his pricing? Honestly, it is a matter of personal opinion. No different than peoples opinions of what price per share of Satoshi Dice or AsicMiner should traded at. As mentioned above, I think it's irreverent more so because it is my opinion.

A good many current day traded assets were funded based off of hopes and dreams of issuers. Some higher priced, some lower at their listing time.
Some who's dreams come true, some who's seen a horrible fate and may have even been able to at least get back some or all of their losses to look towards a new dream.

Final Thoughts:
Investors Beware. Always. Investing is a risk. Do not risk anything you can not afford to loose. Regardless of any documentations, or any other provided information.





Ukto, thanks for standing up a little for me, I will take over from here.
1456  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] Asset Exchange Marketplace + Rewritable Options Trading on: March 26, 2013, 05:48:53 AM

Great over-reaction.  Nice escalation.  Good shift of focus.  Way to treat a "Tier 3" BitFunder customer.

The asset you side-step around had a thread up for discussion for some time before voters approved it.  It still does.  Post there.  I'm but one of many in charge of approvals and your contribution is welcome.

Instead of assuming the worst, how about we assume that I was an early investor in Asicminer, (I was, tho not nearly enough!) and saw similar potential here, (I did) then with 10 minutes of digging discovered that the guy is ordering gear (interstate commerce) thus conducting business under an unregistered trade name (mail fraud? IANAL) and claiming (falsely) the legal protection of incorporation.  How might that change your response?  (thank you? you're welcome.) Do I assume this was malicious?  (no)  After seeing all the claims of experience in the description do I assume this was inept?  (pretty much have to.  read the pdf's on the MO website I linked.)  Is it important for other investors to know?  (duh)  Does it leave me feeling good about the new AMC CEO?  (let's discuss...)

Quote
Any agreement of real world tangibility is at the sole agreement between any issuer and it's members.
BitFunder makes no definitive claims to being a mediator, arbitrator, or enforcer of these direct agreements.

So with AMC... is it real?  Or is it not?  I can't tell.  Where does it say?

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He may have and offer other ideals and concepts in the future, but nothing is promised or guaranteed.

Did we read different descriptions?


burnside, can't seem to find your BTC Trading Corp registration, where do you have it registered?
1457  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] Asset Exchange Marketplace + Rewritable Options Trading on: March 26, 2013, 05:45:45 AM
Apologies for starting this row by talking about AMC. It may have been a good idea to create a new thread for it. (Maybe a moderator can move these select comments to a new thread?)

Here is my point of view as an investor. This is just my opinion. And I think I've posted something similar on Burnside's thread too.

I believe in the broken window fallacy. Shit companies attract more shit companies on an exchange. Awesome companies attract more awesome companies on an exchange. While the exchange should try to remain neutral and not judge the valuation of the company, it should have some kind of a vetting process that gets rid of most obvious scams.

My suggestions on what would help:

1. Have a pre-IPO announce and wait period. Every IPO should be announced at least 1 week in advance. Let the potential investors read the description and the plans. And ask questions or seek clarifications. Only after the 1 week period has gone by - should the exchange decide to list the security or not - after going through the feedback.

2. Ask the promoters to reveal who they are and why they are capable. If they don't want to do so publicly, a trusted escrow should be used.

These 2 things should make sure worthless and possibly scam securities don't get listed.

Wisard, I think you are right that would have help me.  I did leave my name, address and gee cell phone number for everyone to view.
1458  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] Asset Exchange Marketplace + Rewritable Options Trading on: March 26, 2013, 05:43:43 AM
A good example would be if someone made a quick demo website, and said they wanted to post it for investments before launching, with no intentions to use the funds towards the website in question, no registered business, and asking for half a million dollars or more.
I would probably be highly wary of a possible scam, especially if the site required a registered entity to do its business and did not even have that ready.

You're referring here to CRYPTO-TRADE.  First let me be plain that personally I would NOT have approved it.

But there's a few massive differences between it and AMC:

1.  Neotrix (who issued the CRYPTO-TRADE IPO) has been around in the community for a long time and already runs assets that have performed as promised for a significant amount of time.
2.  Neotrix' existing company clearly exists, trades, is registered and is run by him.
3.  Neotrix posted his a thread for discussion of his IPO - you'll see that I posted in it and was less than flattering.
4.  To the extent that either of them has provided proof of anything, neotrix has provided more.  It would take a few minutes to edit Avalon receipts as provided by AMC.  It would take at least hours to produce the evidence neotrix has provided.
5.  Neotrix' intention to build the exchange site was public knowledge and discussed for a fair while before the IPO.

I think CRYPTO-TRADE mainly got approval because of his existing securities.  I don't view that as a good reason myself - but 5 people did (4 if we assume one of the 5 yes votes was neotrix himself).

As I said, I wouldn't have approved EITHER of them at their current stage of development.  But AMC's is just so shockingly horrible that I'm amazed ANYONE would approve it.  Even if you accept most of the assumptions built into their model, it's not even consistent INTERNALLY.  There's basic errors like assuming they can add hash-power without increasing the network's hash-power.  All the math looks as though it was done in 5 minutes by someone who couldn't do math at all.  And the only proof offered of anything is something that's fakable in a few minutes (a screenshot of some text).

My first reaction to it was that it was April Fool's joke that got released a week early by mistake: and that he'd left an apostrophe out of his name.  Ken Slaughter = Ken's Laughter - laughter at anyone stupid enough to fall for it.

Deprived you are right again.  Let me explain what happened, I had the IPO and numbers ready to go then Avalon post their 4X price increase and the fact that they were going to start batch 3 on Friday.  I know you can mine only 3,600 coins and day.  The problem was I was hurrying to get this put together and I stuck the number in the profit calculator and put them in the IPO.
1459  Economy / Securities / [AMC]-The Official Active Mining Cooperative Discussion on: March 26, 2013, 05:36:07 AM

NOTICE:  ALL AMC-PT SHARES WILL BE TENDERED FOR ActiveMining Shares ASAP



AMC is a hybrid Bitcoin mining and development cooperative describing itself as "the next big mining cooperative" is releasing today an offering to early-adopters of Five million (5,000,000) BitFunder virtual shares and issuing another twenty million (20,000,000) BitFunder virtual shares which will be used for the growth and expansion fund, which will receive a total of 100% of the company's virtual-currency profits after all expenses until the total dividends paid is equal to the offering price of .0005 BTC per share and 12 months have elapsed since the initial offering. The Cooperative is hoping to raise up to 2,500 Bitcoins. The offering price will be 0.0005 Bitcoins for the first 20,000,000 early-adopter shares thereafter the price will be .001 BTC per share. If demand is strong enough then share prices may increase throughout the IPO.

Active Mining Corporation (AMC) is a Belize International Business Company DBA Active Mining Cooperative and is made up of a team of dedicated Bitcoin mining professionals with over 30 years of combined experience in the ISP Business including Internet Access and Web Hosting, Graphics Design, Cloud Development, Computer Programming in Multiple Languages, FPGA Hardware And Software Design, Complete Systems Design, Web Design, and System Administration.

The team has been involved with Bitcoins since 2009. AMC has purchased and will operate Application Specific Integrated Circuit (ASIC) Bitcoin mining machines and is developing an ASIC chip and PCB that it will license to VMC for use in their Fast-Hash series of Bitcoin Mining Machines. AMC is developing ASIC chips on the 45nm and soon the 28nm process. AMC's ASIC 45nm chips will have fast speeds of 6 to 9 GH/s with low power usage. The 28nm chips are estimated to have speeds of 9 to 15 GH/s per chip which will be in VMC's Fast-Hash-XXT series of machines which will have even more speed and even lower power usage. VMC may purchase ASIC chips from different vendors if available.

AMC is using the most innovative technology available to develop their chips on the 45nm process and soon the 28nm process. Investors in AMC will receive the benefits of having dividends paid out as soon as AMC starts mining with it's purchased Avalon's and/or purchasing of G.AsicMiner-PT shares. Investors in AMC will see big benefits when AMC develops it's own ASIC chip and VMC creates its Fast-Hash series of Bitcoin mining machines. AMC will receive license fees in the form of Bitcoin mining machines at cost and royalties from VMC for it's technology.

VMC is in talks with a Major Semiconductor Company which can deliver prototype/Low Volume chips to VMC in a 5-10 week time frame after the RTL code for the ASIC chip is ported to their chip and the timing on the chip has been closed.

"In the future," AMC CEO/CTO, Kenneth(Ken) E. Slaughter writes, "the community will benefit from our hybrid mining and development cooperative by buying Bitcoin mining machines which produce income for the cooperative while the cooperative develops a Bitcoin mining chips for the cooperative's own use." AMC's shares and options are already publicly available on BitFunder.com. BitFunder is a popular Bitcoin asset platform which includes listings for several well-known Bitcoin companies, bonds, and other assets. BitFunder accounts can be funded through a developing exchange platform, WeExchange.co.

The IPO serves two purposes, The first being to spread awareness of Bitcoin, "Profit-sharing helps to bring the community together and make a stronger foundation to help support Bitcoin worldwide". A number of Bitcoin businesses have "gone public" on Bitcoin-specific stock exchanges already, most notable is the popular Bitcoin gambling site, SatoshiDice.com. SatoshiDice's virtual IPO on MPEx has given hundreds of Bitcoin users a chance to take part in the business's recent growth and success. With BitFunder, smaller businesses like AMC are aiming not just to raise capital but to benefit from the public interest and community involvement that virtual IPOs generate themselves.

The second reason for the virtual IPO is because AMC needs capital to execute the next phase of it's plan. AMC intends to utilize the capital to massively increase the number and income of Bitcoin mining machines that it operates. This means expanding far beyond the six Avalon mining machine on order and which started shipping April 5, 2013; by purchasing 400 Fast-Hash-80 Bitcoin mining machines, 100 Fast-Hash-400, 100 Fast-Hash-800, 100 Fast-Hash-1.2T, 100 Fast-Hash-2.4T, and 100 Fast-Hash-4.8T if available over the next two years. The cooperative will in next 2 years increase it's total mining speed to over 992,384,000 MH/s if the offer is fully accepted by the community and our development and VMC's purchase of chips as planned. "In the future," AMC CEO/CTO, Kenneth(Ken) E. Slaughter writes, "profits should increase due to not having to spend capital on research and development of our chips, also chip production cost should be dramatically reduced in 2014 and hash speed should dramatically increase."

"This is what the IPO is for," Mr Slaughter writes, "to expand the total speed of our mining equipment and to provide funds to develop and purchase Bitcoin mining chips and our own mining machines for the use of the cooperative."

For those interested in buying shares, AMC has Six Avalon batch 2 machines on order. The machines have started to ship April 15, 2013. As soon as these machines are received they will be set up to start mining on a pool and using the team name "Team AMC" so investors can keep track of AMC's mining speed. AMC's mining operation, with a fully accepted offer from the community will offer a very conservative estimated Net of 0.014058909 BTC per share over 24 months for early-adopters and an estimated Return on Investment of 2,812%/ over 24 months using an estimated .61 reduction in profitability and an increase of difficulty of 40 Times.

Although returns of this magnitude may seem extreme - in the world of Bitcoin mining startups even higher growth rates can be quite common. AMC's hybrid Bitcoin mining and development cooperative gives the investor, a two pronged path to increase the investors return. The two prongs are that of predictable income from purchased mining machines and the extreme growth rates that are possible from developing / purchasing a Bitcoin mining chips and then using that chip to mine Bitcoins. Thanks to innovative capital raising platforms like BitFunder, the average Bitcoin user can participate and potentially yield these high returns. As Bitcoin exchanges become easier to use and improve upon their services, virtually everyone will be able to take part. The IPO is only a few days old but there are still shares available. There has never been a better opportunity to invest and get your share of the Bitcoin mining profit being generated everyday.

Copyright AMC 2013 - All rights reserved
1460  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] Asset Exchange Marketplace + Rewritable Options Trading on: March 26, 2013, 05:33:48 AM
Even though the bitfunder summary states that "AMC is made up of a team of dedicated Bitcoin mining professionals with over 30 years of combined experience in Computer Programming, Hardware Design, System Design, and System Administration" - I doubt that they have ever mined before.

More worrying is that nowhere in that skill-set/experience list is "managed a business" or "can do basic math".

Personally I'm pretty sick of all the IPOs that claim to have experienced teams but never identify them.  If IPOs can be that vague then why not cut them right down to the minimum - and have them just give a share price and send back whatever they feel like.  At least that would be honest and cut down the reading time for us.

Deprived you are right I should of listed my business experence of 42 years and the fact that I created a nationwide Internet Service Provider (Active Internet Communications) on the domain axs.net.
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