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1461  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Are you Rich from Gambling? on: March 27, 2017, 05:46:35 PM
Actually, you never saw someone rich from gambling but I have seen a few people who lost everything from gambling including their home and car.
In my case, i have also lost a lot but never that much.

These are people who lost everything in gambling who do not know about gambling and do not know about any strategy and do not know about getting the skills to win and they put their money continuously in gambling.
i agree with you that many people lost money in gambling because they do not have any experience or skills in gambling and i think skills and experience is very important in gambling .
The skills and experience will help people to not lose more money in gambling I agree, But the main thing why people lose more money means because of their greed problem. Many gamblers do not control their greed in gambling. And many experienced players also lost everything in gambling. In gambling one thing you must know while playing gambling don't put any expectation just play and have fun. The loss and profit are just part of your fun.
well when you put no expectation then what would you do when you won the game?
i think it's still important to have an expectation in gambling ,
the problem only when you have no idea why you keep playing without have a limit ,
rich is the thing that a lot of people set as a goal in gambling , but not many who successfully make it happen.
1462  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Do you always missed the right time to sell/buy bitcoin? on: March 27, 2017, 05:36:05 PM

Unless you are a skilled trader with a track record of making winning trades over a large sample why would you think you can buy/sell at the right time?

I guess the thing is, when you analyze that the value of coin reaches its high peak than usual value so you, fluctation of bitcoin value is so unpredictable so it will be hard to recognize if you gonna sell it now since you can see that it is in high value than usual. Timing is the main key if you really want to earn good from buying and selling.
If you read a little bit abut trading then you may be able to find the moments when it makes sense to buy and the moments when it makes the most sense to sell, you don’t need to see graphs hours to see these values if you did it once a day you could see the opportunities present themselves.
in other word you are relies on something uncertain like feeling?
i don't think it will work to find the right time to buy/sell ,
trading for those people who don't completely understand will feel like a random thing ,
something like gamble between get profit or lost it, so just get used to it.
I never said anything about feeling I said that you needed to read a book about trading in order to find the right moment to buy and sell and that is true, those that trade without reading and studying are gambling but if you know what you are doing then you are trading.
no you don't , but  when you say " to find the moments when it makes sense to sell/buy "
which means it is about to follow your feeling , just think about it lol ,
for some people actually they believe trading is just another form of gambling ,
there's nothing certain when you face the wild market.
1463  Economy / Gambling / Re: COINROYALE.COM • Provably Fair • 1 BTC Bonus • 2 BTC Blackjack Tournament! (new) on: March 25, 2017, 11:45:52 PM
What about how to get above 100% win? Ill play in the next tournament.

Formula to count winning percentage should be like this :
Code:
(Final balance - Starting balance)/Starting balance 


e.g :
Your total deposit for the competition = starting balance = 20mbtc
Your final balance = 70mbtc
Your winning percentage = (70-20)/20= 50/20 = 2.5 = 250%


That is correct.
but there is no transparency how you count the percentage  Roll Eyes
i have joined the tournament few days ago and looks like i am not one of the winner listed ,
i don't know my progress like how much i have wagered and how much my profit in the tournament ,
seems not fair for me but it's okay wish the next one better and more excited.

I agree it was bit confusing on the math part for most.
Would be better if win rate is displayed on the play page after minimum requirements are met.
I am preparing and brushing my skills for the next tournament.  Smiley
yeah the tournament is actually interested enough ,
victor just need to implement some inputs here for the next tournament ( if they want to host for another ),
like there must be a leaderboard somewhere in the site ,
as posting the leaderboard in this thread is not effective moreover we know victor quite busy just for online and make some announcement periodically Wink .
1464  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2018 World Cup qualifications, UEFA zone, discussion and information thread on: March 25, 2017, 11:34:54 PM
Sweden to beat Belarus
Netherlands to beat Bulgaria
Belgium to beat Greece
Portugal to beat Hungary
Cyprus - Estonia BTTS
Andorra - Faroe Islands BTTS


the only team that i doubt nowadays is just netherlands ,
they play not like the previous generation who play total football ,
i doubt netherlands can win over bulgaria , it might ended draw ,
portugal and belgium should win easily like having 2 margin goals or more.

And the award for the biggest surprise of the night goes to Bulgaria for beating the Netherlands at home 2-0  Grin I honestly don't know what's up with the Dutch team but it seems to be regressing and not progressing. Maybe they need to fire that disappointing coach Blind?

i told you wendigo netherlands squad now is full of sh*t ,
they might will not qualified for another biggest international competition ,
a lot of sportsbettor suffering huge lost maybe today ,
but not with me , i have got quite good odds for placing bulgaria moneyline  Grin .
1465  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why should people use Bitcoin? on: March 25, 2017, 11:25:38 PM
The main that why i think people should use bitcoins is because you can buy whatever you want and no one can trace you or your transaction.
If people start using bitcoins then it will inspire shopkeepers to accept bitcoins online and in local.
Another misconception here that no one is able to trace your transaction when it comes to bitcoin when ever transaction has a public ledger  Smiley If a shop keeper plans to accept bitcoin he has to have the ability to convert it to the local currency as soon as possible and with the current situation it is not possible .
Actually, bitcoin is more transparent than ordinary fiat when it comes to tracing or such. As you can see that the transactions always saved and can be traced by simply using blockchain explorer, but, people keep repeating that bitcoin is untraceable. Such a bad misconception that's get people wrong about bitcoin.
Bitcoin is highly transparent than the fiat or other transaction source that we use. Only the end to end user identity is not known by the user viewing the transaction. So misconception need to be resolved making users understand the reality.
yeah what they understand about untraceable is that people can not trace the bitcoin sender / receiver ,
but actually what makes important is when the whole transaction recorded publicly in blockchain network ,
when in the bank you can not do that right?
that is what people called bitcoin as a freedom and you should use it when you want a real financial freedom.
1466  Economy / Gambling / Re: COINROYALE.COM • Provably Fair • 1 BTC Bonus • 2 BTC Blackjack Tournament! (new) on: March 25, 2017, 11:10:00 PM
What about how to get above 100% win? Ill play in the next tournament.

Formula to count winning percentage should be like this :
Code:
(Final balance - Starting balance)/Starting balance 


e.g :
Your total deposit for the competition = starting balance = 20mbtc
Your final balance = 70mbtc
Your winning percentage = (70-20)/20= 50/20 = 2.5 = 250%


That is correct.
but there is no transparency how you count the percentage  Roll Eyes
i have joined the tournament few days ago and looks like i am not one of the winner listed ,
i don't know my progress like how much i have wagered and how much my profit in the tournament ,
seems not fair for me but it's okay wish the next one better and more excited.
1467  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Play with your profit or not? on: March 25, 2017, 11:01:19 PM
Of course, yes. I will play with my profit. There is nothing to lose with it since this is already your profit. But not all my profit, I will bet maybe 25% of it first and so on to have a longer play time. Not on an all in, and lose all.

True...when we able to play with our profit then it'll be easier to control ourself since there is no pressure whether we will lose it or we can increase it. It's very different when we faced long lose streaks. The desire to pursue our previous lose, would put some pressure on our mind and it will lead to further losses.
you guys think that to play nothing to lose is better?
still i think in the end those people who gamble will get addicted ,
so nothing good there whether you play with your profit or not ,
i even think better to collect the whole money you have earned and break for a while instead keep playing with your profit.
1468  Economy / Economics / Re: Will you invest in a MLM scam in early stage? on: March 25, 2017, 04:49:32 PM
I was never interested in invest MLM, it is because it's been a lot of negative news about MLM. Even in my place in the jail because MLM founder proved to deceive many people. MLM is a scam, do not ever believe.
it's not just a news , but it's a fact!
some people with low knowledge about investment world will fall into this ,
as long as you stay careful and smart enough you will not get in ,
the service like this is confirmed have no benefit.
1469  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2018 World Cup qualifications, UEFA zone, discussion and information thread on: March 25, 2017, 04:25:16 PM
Sweden to beat Belarus
Netherlands to beat Bulgaria
Belgium to beat Greece
Portugal to beat Hungary
Cyprus - Estonia BTTS
Andorra - Faroe Islands BTTS


the only team that i doubt nowadays is just netherlands ,
they play not like the previous generation who play total football ,
i doubt netherlands can win over bulgaria , it might ended draw ,
portugal and belgium should win easily like having 2 margin goals or more.
1470  Economy / Gambling / Re: FORTUNEJACK.COM |Deposit 777 play with 1777 mBTC |Live Casino, Slots, Betting on: March 25, 2017, 04:11:53 PM
Does anybody have won luckyjack in fortunejack yet? I am also trying for many months and never won anything. I have seen a guy named namastebitches or like that winning 2 times within 1 week i guess.  Shocked

I would like to see how site will congratulate you when you win. If anybody have taken screenshots when they won, please post here. Thank you in advance  Wink

Maybe others have won it, but I never won it, sometimes I think I am unlucky, but now I think maybe the results are won by FJ's own accounts.
No, its legit, but honestly i also think that at first, before I really see someone winning that prize. Indeed nice and good promotions for them.

Gambling results depend on only luck, and without luck, we can't win any gambling games. This luckyjack also same, we should be very lucky to win. FJ is quite old site, and well trusted on this forum. For this small amount, they will not cheat people.

Actually the luckyjack promo is not a small amount. Spending 1btc everyday for free is a big amount for any gambling sites, I do not try to say it is 100% fake promo but its been so long run promo. If it is real promo with all real winners means that they have spent so many btc so far. Do you know how many days its been running so far?
it's sounds like nearly fake promotion Sad ,
the freemoney daily of 100mbtc for 10 lucky winner total 1,000 mbtc ,
really too good to be true for me personally ,
if that is true maybe a lot of people starts claiming here, wondering how much active player outside this forum?
1471  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How to explain bitcoin to teenagers or children on: March 25, 2017, 04:02:08 PM
LOL

perhaps they will it explain to us?

Just ask them to install a wallet and pay their pocket money that way; soon they will be creating their own smart contracts on ETH for doing chores etc.  Grin Grin Grin

Exactly, that is how young generation grew up with modern technology, they can explore it after you make some bit explanation to them, you dont mind after a montg they got more coins than yours.
yeah google search engine considered more than just a book ,
for those people who can use wisely and properly their internet connection ,
there is million article about how to get started with bitcoin , bitcoin basics etc ,
young blood will have huge curiousity , you just need to introduce that there is something big on the internet called bitcoin , the rest of it let them do!
you just need a little information about bitcoin to tell him if they are interested they will surely find out for himself about bitcoin in google
thanks for make that resume , you make everything clear now  Roll Eyes
teenagers have to lured by something that they loved ,
nowadays they love to play games online ,
and you can offer bitcoin as payment processor whenever they want to but the games.
1472  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: do you use analysis when play gambling? on: March 25, 2017, 03:54:25 PM
Analyzing on games like dice, roulette, and all those games that are based on random numbers won't be any help. The previous round doesn't affect the result of the next round. People think that it's more likely to win after a couple of losing streak but it's actually irrelevant. I think the only gambling games that needs analysis are poker, and sports betting.
Well, dice game, roulette doesn't need any analysis application when you play this games. Only poker games, blackjack, and sport bets are the games which I now need analysis to win in the games.
will you feel all your analysis useles when the game ended always lost?
start thinking that there is nothing affected when you analyze in gambling ,
gambling is really about how luck choose you to win or not ,
end of words it is totally random.
1473  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Dice game strategy? on: March 25, 2017, 12:35:37 PM
My strategy - roll until win or lose. Period.
This is not a strategy. It is called blind gambling period and hope you are not spending that much amount of money to waste. I am not a hard core gambler but martingale is the strategy i use while i am rolling.

Betting on dice is almost blind gambling actually nobody know when he got the losing streak even on 98% win chance. Dice is to have fun and chat with friend not to make huge amount on daily basis.
gamble on dice will never have a good ending when you do it too much ,
dice game good if you do it for once or twice bet only ,
it was the fastest way to make your money doubled ,
so becareful , the risk you take here is so high.
1474  Economy / Economics / Re: Which one is good, trading or investing? on: March 24, 2017, 11:52:05 PM
Actually, the answer is both. When you invest your money in Bitcoin, you just wait for increasing the price of bitcoin. However, the bitcoin you have has not changed, just the value of your bitcoin has changed. This investment is like gold, eventually, it makes you happy. When you trade, the bitcoin you have can increase. It is dangerous, but in the short term, it can also make you happy.
both are the best way to grow your bitcoin , not just store it ,
just the matter skill you have , when trading required a lot of skills to be mastered ,
investment have only few skills you supposed to have ,
so when you are a busy person , investment should be your choice.
Yeah, you're also right. I know people who lose their Bitcoin when they trade, because of being busy, since they could not follow the statistics and spare their time on this work. Trade is for people who have time to do that. However, anything can change the idea of earning more money in the short term when you trade, because if we look at the all possibilities for this question. We cannot say certain thing, also my ideas are not certain. Ideas can change depend on people to people, situation to situation. Everybody should find their best situation. We as a adviser should explain all outcomes for the  beginner traders or investors and they should choose the best way to increase their money. That's all.
simply words investment and trading almost have equal risk ,
the difference is on how you manage both ,
trading need to be managed in short period gradually ,
when investment can be managed once for long time but in a lot of places.
1475  Other / Off-topic / Re: Young people should go all in on bitcoin on: March 24, 2017, 11:38:53 PM
Why not? If you have nothing to lose within the whole day, if your out of school youth, if you are a typical type of a guy or a teenager who prioritize early earning why not ? Go for an all in to bitcoin. On the other hand in all of these there will be a contrary to the fact that those person or young people whose in to bitcoin are all average teenagers who's half of their life are in into schooling so there's 80% chances that they would not bet all in for bitcoin.
that is true , young people usually closely related to a bravery ,
brave to take a risk no matter how high it is ,
to think so fresh and smart in take any decision , earn money while studying isn't a wrong thing indeed ,
young people have a stronger will too , they will do everything to reach the goal.

Bitcoin will really be helpful especially to the youth and if they are into earning, there were times I calculated that if ever I started to use and save bitcoin in that year , I may be able to have such amount. This realization comes that investing and saving at young age will be really an advantage when get olders. For example , here in bitcoin talk being a Senior and Hero Member takes time.
young people knows how to exploit the opportunity with its spirit ,
less doubt and just do it on something ,
i remember when warren buffet place his first ever investment when he was 13 years old!
we can learn from him , and really applying the principle of "take a risk or get nothing!"
1476  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2018 World Cup qualifications, UEFA zone, discussion and information thread on: March 24, 2017, 11:27:12 PM
Italy v Albania
Italy -1

Spain v Israel
SPAIN WIN AND Over 3.5
a nice prediction and all of them should be won ,
wondering how much odds you get from each of them ? it must be fair enough right ?
italy and spain play confidently at their own home ,
make both on top of group G , spain just has more goal .
1477  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How to Win using martingale system? on: March 24, 2017, 11:07:28 PM
Just stay away from the Martingale system and all of its variants.  It is too risky and online gambling sites practice bankroll management programs that limit its function.  The Martingale system is better suited for very large bankrolls, but gambling sites incorporate schemes, such as the Kelly criteria, that limit the size of bets in proportion to their bankroll....  

Yeah martingale is nothing and will give you just frustration. Because most of the people that are happy with this strategy are just happy on their early day of using it. But most of the time when it comes to gambling everything seems to be fading. That's why don't always rely with this type of strategy as everyone is saying.

Tried it too many times before and never did I take home any part of my initial deposit. All I got was stress, depression, and regret whenever I try a martin gale strategy on any gambling site. Heck, I even tried it on low house edge casinos. Nothing really happened, I just lost everything every single time.
you should give up trying to use martingale betting style , everyone should stop ,
tthere is no benefit keep doubling your bet continuously ,
unless if you really have a limit on losing ,
which i doubt most people have it , they will break it out .
1478  Economy / Marketplace / Re: How can we encourage local businesses to accept BTC? on: March 24, 2017, 05:36:36 PM
We must demand that they accept bitcoin and we must persist that accepting bitcoin as payment can bring in more sales and new customers. We must keep persisting that they accept bitcoin. With enough people, they might consider it as one of their payment methods. Hopefully as bitcoin users increase, it will influence businesses.
well demand will let them think to accept it and more explanation and showing the advantage and benefits of using bitcoin for their business
will also gather their interest, as business minded people always look for an advantage for their profits so if they will see that bitcoin will give
them favor for sure they will embrace it in no time.
yeah you should have a good and a little bit large bitcoin community around ,
so you can make the job to encourage local business to accept bitcoin easier ,
explain everything together and it will attract people to come ,
as they curious what happening there , and that time is the show time.

It wil be great if local businesses accepts bitcoin but why not focus on the root of the problem on why they don't accept it? Imo it is because they have

never heard of it/using it and not a single customer have mentioned it. I'm one of those people who believes that if bitcoin became popular, Its

acceptance from various kinds of business will naturally come. What we should do now is to increase the satisfied bitcoin users.
that's why i told you to ask for friends help to explain bitcoin together lol ,
then you can figure out what makes people don't want to start using bitcoin ,
why they did not know yet about this cool and popular stuff on the internet ,
find a solution for that and convince them bitcoin has a lot of advantage to offers.
1479  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2018 World Cup qualifications, UEFA zone, discussion and information thread on: March 24, 2017, 05:28:38 PM
Hey guys I am gonna take some of the less expected results because I think there will be some surprises today in the World Cup qualifiers:

Croatia - Ukraine FT Draw & Kosovo - Iceland FT Draw

Good luck everyone!
if you did really place a bet on those match well you quite brave enough ,
croatia play at home and have to take this match as a moment to keep on the top of table ,
although ukraine will try hard to get a draw at least , i predict it won't happened ,
iceland really need the point from this underdog , better to bet for iceland moneyline for me.
1480  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Do you always missed the right time to sell/buy bitcoin? on: March 24, 2017, 05:13:21 PM

Unless you are a skilled trader with a track record of making winning trades over a large sample why would you think you can buy/sell at the right time?

I guess the thing is, when you analyze that the value of coin reaches its high peak than usual value so you, fluctation of bitcoin value is so unpredictable so it will be hard to recognize if you gonna sell it now since you can see that it is in high value than usual. Timing is the main key if you really want to earn good from buying and selling.
If you read a little bit abut trading then you may be able to find the moments when it makes sense to buy and the moments when it makes the most sense to sell, you don’t need to see graphs hours to see these values if you did it once a day you could see the opportunities present themselves.
in other word you are relies on something uncertain like feeling?
i don't think it will work to find the right time to buy/sell ,
trading for those people who don't completely understand will feel like a random thing ,
something like gamble between get profit or lost it, so just get used to it.
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