Let me get this straight. The poor guy is not eating well, isn't sleeping well, there's a major debacle going on, and he's the key player making sure that people get their money back with the use of an outdated computer. But he's able to attend a hacking convention in Berlin which, if I still remember my geography, is not in the UK.
Genjix moved to Berlin some months ago - that's not a vacation. Also the Bitcoin-hackathon there was long since planned and announced by him. We are in London = higher quality conference. That's all that matters to me. Build the highest quality schedule and topics. Bring together the best and brightest. Our organisation's (Bitcoin Consultancy) mission statement is: "In April 2011, we formed this consultancy as a collaborative effort to take bitcoin outside the world of tech geeks and hobbyists into the real world." This conference's mandate is: "To bring bitcoin to a global financial centre, and be a turning point bringing bitcoin to the fore of the mainstream. It is here that bitcoin will leave its perilous infancy, as the new world briefly meets the old before displacing it." If you notice the actions of our group, everything is aligned with these statements. From our outreach (Bitcoin Media), to the exchange (Intersango to spread BTC) and our development (libbitcoin to enable people to build lots of bitcoin applications). This conference will be no different, and you will see it designed accordingly. We want to grow bitcoin through the vehicle of this conference. It will be a serious pensive arrangement with deep discussions, not a fun-community weekend piss-up. London is our avenue for doing that. For building the best conference, we are here and have our support network here. It is where we can best perform. Berlin is foreign unfamiliar non-English speaking territory for us. It's not like to create a conference you just rent out a church hall and throw some plastic chairs in. There is a lot of micromanagement and behind the scenes organisation. And saying you boycott us until you get a sunnier location of your choosing, when this is our highest quality offering is simply childish and ungrateful. I'm not getting paid working 14 hour days, and the rest of my group is also overworked and underpaid. We are in this because we are lovers of bitcoin (and opensource in my case  ). And you want to punish us? Come on, I know you're above that as a human being. And just prior to the last major attack, this... |
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<<SNIP>>No. I received this email. I was still in the verify@bitcoinica.com mailing list. I believe that the theft happened much earlier and no one discovered. No one cared about this spammy-look email either (or they don't check their mailbox). From: Bitcoinica Sucks < bitcoinicasucks@hotmail.com> To: verify@bitcoinica.comDate: Friday, 13 July 2012 3:39:55 AM Subject: Bitcoinica is done THANK YOU FOR YOU SOURCE CODE. BITCONICA IS NOW OFFICALY DONE! LASTPAS PASWORD: c02e1a27-5524-449f-ba65-aff9581ddedc Hacker, or somebody, can't spell or purposely misspelled word: LASTPAS; OFFICALY Question: Did the hacker send the recent email to notify parties that an the alleged break-in occurred a while back and, since nobody took notice, he somehow felt cheated by not getting an extra 15 minutes of fame? Also... No, I was merely stating a fact. I discovered something unusual and I emailed them. They promised an update. And that's it. Do these people no have phones? 3-4 principles should have each other's phone numbers, shouldn't they, or did I miss that memo when the internet became mainstream? ~Bruno~ the email does seem very very odd.... You think that's odd? Wait till I start linking concerns prior to them supposedly meeting up only recently--before Bitcoin was conceived which starts with C and rhymes with D as in deceive and that spells doom. ~The Music Man ~Bruno~ |
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<<SNIP>>No. I received this email. I was still in the verify@bitcoinica.com mailing list. I believe that the theft happened much earlier and no one discovered. No one cared about this spammy-look email either (or they don't check their mailbox). From: Bitcoinica Sucks < bitcoinicasucks@hotmail.com> To: verify@bitcoinica.comDate: Friday, 13 July 2012 3:39:55 AM Subject: Bitcoinica is done THANK YOU FOR YOU SOURCE CODE. BITCONICA IS NOW OFFICALY DONE! LASTPAS PASWORD: c02e1a27-5524-449f-ba65-aff9581ddedc Hacker, or somebody, can't spell or purposely misspelled word: LASTPAS; OFFICALY Question: Did the hacker send the recent email to notify parties that an the alleged break-in occurred a while back and, since nobody took notice, he somehow felt cheated by not getting an extra 15 minutes of fame? And the hacker used hotmail. Surely an IP can be traced via them/there. Also... No, I was merely stating a fact. I discovered something unusual and I emailed them. They promised an update. And that's it. Do these people no have phones? 3-4 principles should have each other's phone numbers, shouldn't they, or did I miss that memo when the internet became mainstream? ~Bruno~ |
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Why the hell do people care about "how many views i can get" on youtube/fb/etc
Seriously, Whats the fucking point?
Would you mind posting after me instead of in front me? That way I can see what you're doing in my rear-view mirror. |
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First post after serving time as a Newbie. What a loser!
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Dear Bitcoinica team,
Please stop using my name "Ryan" for any outbound emails. It's my de facto Christian name.
Also, stop mentioning my "plan". I have received no contact from you for almost two month and it's simply wrong for you to judge my involvement in Bitcoinica either morally or legally.
I'll resign immediately when 50% of funds have been paid back, or upon receiving your instruction, whichever is earlier.
I reserve the right to protect my reputation.
EDIT: Amir has clarified that the first name is a random one due to Gmail's naming policy. He didn't intend to mean me personally. He has changed it to "Jason Bitcoinica".
I'm confused! How did you go from the above to the below? I also read it as they have not contacted you in almost two months, but you were able to contact them to give them a heads-up. ~Bruno~ Clarification: They have not contacted me anything that's useful for Bitcoinica customers. (i.e. "Hey what's up" doesn't count.) The mailing list is a broadcast mailing list, i.e. any email received by verify@bitcoinica.com will be forwarded to a few addresses, including mine. I have their email address so I can send email to them at any time. Will you kindly stop making sense, Zhou Tong? It confuses me. Thanks, bud. Later. ~Bruno~ |
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What the fuck was 40 000 bitcoins doing sitting at mt gox. After the first hack it was claimed 80% of funds were sitting in cold storage.
Someone told lies about this too. Can someone dig up the original thread where they promised the coins were in cold storage ?
You are so delusional! No such thing was ever said. But if it had, it would look like the below. It's not how things work. The owner of the account is not Bitcoinica LP, and I never have authority to touch the money in that account.
I can just confirm that the fund injection (from cold storage) has been done, and technically Patrick (and maybe others) can already access the funds.
Shit.. June 06 zhoutong confirms that funds were moved from cold storage. The source was leaked approximately June July 08. And the withdrawal made on June July 12. That's at least 36 days on MtGox without two-factor auth. edit: fixed dates And only two posts down from the above we have the following: Since nobody seems to be reading the verify@bitcoinica emails I agree with Kokjo and kindly remind you to send me my 101 BTC to: 1ET2ps7BRrZnDeq7bVNc8bS9ZmgN8DxUXy - consider the BTC pocket change you owe me and my 3 cents USD a going away gift.
I respectfully do not care who pays for it, and this is not a trivial amount to me. You're not the only one with tuition fees to pay.
Afterwards, I promise to stop asking you on this forum for what is rightfully mine. Thank you.
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What the fuck was 40 000 bitcoins doing sitting at mt gox. After the first hack it was claimed 80% of funds were sitting in cold storage.
Someone told lies about this too. Can someone dig up the original thread where they promised the coins were in cold storage ?
The funds were in the cold storage. But apparently someone transferred that to Mt. Gox account to be ready for refunds. Mt Gox != cold storage for those playing at home. I can't take this anymore! My face just cramped up from laughing so hard. Let's see if I can play just as well as you. For those playing at home, the powers that be, prior to attending a hacking convention, put a sizable sum of bitcoins in Mt Gox (a.k.a. cold storage) so that many people owed funds to will soon receive half of what is rightfully owed them. It's the safest and best option for all concerns. But if anything should happen, which we here in Studio A don't see anything nefarious afoot, there is a backup plan. (Zhou, are you ready in studio B?) ~Bruno~ |
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What the fuck was 40 000 bitcoins doing sitting at mt gox. After the first hack it was claimed 80% of funds were sitting in cold storage.
Someone told lies about this too. Can someone dig up the original thread where they promised the coins were in cold storage ?
The funds were in the cold storage. But apparently someone transferred that to Mt. Gox account to be ready for refunds. I wish I took a picture of myself after reading the above, for I caught myself doing a real life epic facepalm. Me: Hey, Joe. I got the $20 I owe you. Joe: Great! Me: First I have to take it out of my wallet and put it in Myra's purse. Then she'll take it out and give it to you. Joe: Cool! Joe: Waiting! Joe: Still waiting! Me: And poof! It's gone! Joe: Wait, what? Me: Next! |
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Posted an update to the OP.
Poof! And he's gone! Funny how he's not been around to post. I guess there's nothing exciting going on with this forum to warrant his presence. Genjix is attending Hackaton in Berlin. I bet they're busy providing tech support for intersango. Let me get this straight. The poor guy is not eating well, isn't sleeping well, there's a major debacle going on, and he's the key player making sure that people get their money back with the use of an outdated computer. But he's able to attend a hacking convention in Berlin which, if I still remember my geography, is not in the UK. And Zhou Tong is in Singapore which is not in Australia. How many of the other key players of Bitcoinica are on holiday? It looks like I may be canceling my fishing trip to Wisconsin again this year to clean up the mess I have here in Sandwich, due in part because of all this. Please, Jehovah, at least let Satoshi Nakamoto be of legal drinking age. I want to believe! ~Bruno~ |
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What the fuck was 40 000 bitcoins doing sitting at mt gox. After the first hack it was claimed 80% of funds were sitting in cold storage.
Someone told lies about this too. Can someone dig up the original thread where they promised the coins were in cold storage ?
You are so delusional! No such thing was ever said. But if it had, it would look like the below. you have access!!!
Just send my 60-70btc to 19PKMheiAr2Lxm2YN67pTUpTmwTW96PGvF .
lol trying to jump the line. Try not to be an idiot. Im not jumping the line. I suggested that zhou got rid of the bureaucracy. We have waited long enough, and im getting impatient. It's not how things work. The owner of the account is not Bitcoinica LP, and I never have authority to touch the money in that account. I can just confirm that the fund injection (from cold storage) has been done, and technically Patrick (and maybe others) can already access the funds. Or like this: Who has the keys to the offline cold storage wallet?
I don't have. I don't even know how much we have in cold storage before the hack. |
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Dear Bitcoinica team,
Please stop using my name "Ryan" for any outbound emails. It's my de facto Christian name.
Also, stop mentioning my "plan". I have received no contact from you for almost two month and it's simply wrong for you to judge my involvement in Bitcoinica either morally or legally.
I'll resign immediately when 50% of funds have been paid back, or upon receiving your instruction, whichever is earlier.
I reserve the right to protect my reputation.
EDIT: Amir has clarified that the first name is a random one due to Gmail's naming policy. He didn't intend to mean me personally. He has changed it to "Jason Bitcoinica".
I'm confused! How did you go from the above to the below? I also read it as they have not contacted you in almost two months, but you were able to contact them to give them a heads-up. ~Bruno~ |
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Posted an update to the OP.
Poof! And he's gone! Funny how he's not been around to post. I guess there's nothing exciting going on with this forum to warrant his presence. ~Bruno~ |
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So the Ellets are going to be manufactured in that watch shop, sold exclusively on the Silk Road, and you are Satoshi? K.
/sarcasm
Ellets are going to be manufactured somewhere on the Silk Road and sold at watch shops. /more sarcasm Hey, Matthew. I haven't seen you post over at that Bitcoinica thread. You feeling okay, or not eating and sleeping well like... ? ~Bear Cackling~ That thread is for pissing into your mouth and gargling. I work at the Bitcoin Magazine. We investigate.  Either I've been pawned or I've been pawned. Also, tell Vicente that he needs to apologize to my alpaca. |
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The question remains why there hasnt been a police report initiated by the owners of bitcoinica. Shouldnt it be them and not yourself that initiates such a thing ? When else do you arbitrarily "inform the police " without the actual people involved doing it ?
We are still discussing this with our legal counsel actually, however filing the theft details pre-emptively from our side may make things easier and faster, and may protect us and our other customers too. Japan local time when post was: 7:45 AM
Saturday, July 21, 2012
( observing Standard Time )(Sorry for the 12pt font size) ~Bruno~ You can bet if I realised that amount of funds had gone missing from my account I'd be waking Mark up in the middle of the might. It's also reasonable to assume that Mark immediately went about securing evidence once informed of the event. I'm not sure why you think the time is especially significant given how many people start work early even on Saturdays. If money had been stolen from your bank account, it would be the bank who notified the authorities (after all, they have the transaction records). In this case, it should probably be MtGox which files the initial report. There is zero reason to believe that attempted thefts will not continue if intruders know they will likely not be discovered and prosecuted. Copied and paste from a random website: What are the banking hours in Japan? Most banks are open Monday to Friday, 9:00am to 3:00pm. Most are closed on Saturday's and Sunday's. TGIF comes to mind. In this case, TGIF13. As of an hour ago, Mt Gox has yet to file a report. Neither has those (maybe no longer plural) over at Bitcoinica. ~Bruno~ |
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So the Ellets are going to be manufactured in that watch shop, sold exclusively on the Silk Road, and you are Satoshi? K.
/sarcasm
Ellets are going to be manufactured somewhere on the Silk Road and sold at watch shops. /more sarcasm Hey, Matthew. I haven't seen you post over at that Bitcoinica thread. You feeling okay, or not eating and sleeping well like... ? ~Bear Cackling~ |
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You should really keep the funds for when the intersango guys try to sue you:(
This is not your fault.
They can't sue him - he is a child. And how do you know it's not his fault? He had more inside knowledge than anyone and it would have been easy for him to hack in and steal the coins and destroy the database. The police were never called for some reason... intersango never called the police for some reason... Hmm... This, to me, is the most damning evidence. Why would statists like the InterSango guys, who have made so much noise about being "registered" and "regulated" never call the police who are supposed to protect them from exactly this kind of fraud? Forget the scammer tag...how about a "felon" tag? Scammer tag is red Xs. What would a felon tag be? Black Xs? Na, black I's. Think, jail cell themed.  Na! XOXOXO Think cell buddy named Jerome. |
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All of my interactions with Zhou have been first rate.
He has been straight forward and easy to deal with every time and I still trust his integrity.
I wish I could say the same about the Intersango group.
Damn you, Roger! I sincerely trust you, but now have to reweigh my thoughts on Zhou, of which I've openly switched my position several times already. ~Bruno~ |
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Adding to my previous post agreeing with bitcoinBull. If it was an inside job it wasn't Patrick or Amir. First we had this. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=81045.msg894435#msg894435Please don't blame genjix. It's definitely not his fault.
He's not in our mailing list so it couldn't be him.
Well, shit just happens and it's not anyone's fault or incompetence here. I'm the only guy awake when the incident happens. and now we have this Posting an update soon.
good news? If it's related to my previous email to the Bitcoinica team, no, it's a bad news. This was a pointless and malicious comment. Are you trying to further harm their reputation or your own? Because they're not entirely separate. No, I was merely stating a fact. I discovered something unusual and I emailed them. They promised an update. And that's it. I don't have the right to update you publicly because I have some advantage in obtaining insider information. I'm not part of the "bad news" and I'm not involved in Bitcoinica. If I didn't tell them they will discover the problem anyway. Someone care to explain to a dumb guy(me) how is it that a guy who isn't "involved in Bitcoinica" discovers a theft of almost $400k before the ones who are involved in Bitcoinica? FTFY! I'm the only guy awake when the incident happens. What I learnt today: Siesta time in Germany is 2PM. ~Bruno~ |
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