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1481  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Decisions on 9 million common fund on: January 17, 2014, 04:44:46 PM
I think, looking at the community, anything that is called "official" will backfire.

However, having said that, anyone who has proven they are capable of pulling things off, will get trust.
So I would opt for someone trusted in charge of funds, who can disburse as needed within an open group, which can be added and subtracted to.
I would not opt for a closed group. That will only lead to accusations of elitism.

I am for a measured approach to marketing.

I've seen lots of plans and that is great. Only a few of those demand quick action.

I think any marketing aimed at mainstream would backfire, because we need much more development on that score.
So I would prioritise marketing aimed at the cryptocommunity and getting a larger userbase there.
This will probably mostly mean getting published on good cryptosites and getting some scientific backing, especially from known names.

Those are covered under (in my order of priority) :
Articles
Review
Press
Scientific paper
PhD

Second comes secondary reachout to the online community and creating a welcoming image.
Tournaments
Video
Wiki
Grammar
Infographics

Some of these are already being done and are aimed at lowering the barrier of joining and getting less (but not totally) tech savvy people involved.

Last priority (to me) would be actual RL activities, unless they directly affect online presence.

During the first two campaigns, development should be top priority so we have mainstream usuability. Only then can we start doing PR (but we can prepare this behind the scenes of course!) for more mainstream users.

So for now, getting known via trusted third parties seems the best option to me. We should churn out progress reports, articles, get reviews from trusted reviewers and keep reaching out, while the devs keep working on perfecting the applications. All this is low cost. Let's save the money for later for the most part. We'll need it.

My 2 Nxt.
1482  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt marketing & promotion - progress tracking thread on: January 17, 2014, 12:29:29 PM
Signing in, if I can still join.
I'm at work right now, but will be here this evening again Smiley
1483  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 17, 2014, 12:25:03 PM

I just watched the vote total for NXT go up 16 in a couple minutes after posting that link, w00t but we need more!

I've also put it on both forums. It's rising enormously! Cheesy
1484  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Marketplace (Altcoins) / Re: [POLL] Which coin do you want to see added to http://cryptokopen.eu ? on: January 17, 2014, 12:17:04 PM
Nxt would be great!
1485  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 17, 2014, 09:13:40 AM
Regarding girls. Nxtgirl.ru is planning a photosession with Nxt logos. Only bodyart, no other clothes, I hope Smiley

I don't believe that's on the marketing list yet, but it should be!

Salsacz!  Cheesy
1486  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 17, 2014, 09:08:25 AM
Will also need to cash out a bit to invite my wife to a nice restaurant, since she hasn't seen me a lot over the last weeks. ;-)

This may be a good marketing strategy for women  Grin

Edit: enjoy your bounty guys!
1487  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 17, 2014, 01:07:41 AM
In other news..someone pointed me to Adam B Levine's post describing the need for nxt's functionality, you guys should all swarm overthere and inform him that the future is NXT and its already here, I posted a response to his proposal on the second page..

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=1854.0
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=1854.15  ---response

love this community, one of the best I have ever witnessed 95% awesome

This article is great. Much food for thought.
It fits in with the discussions on voting and fees we've been having the last few days.
Giving it a more thorough read tomorrow.

Thanks for posting this!
1488  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Marketplace (Altcoins) / Re: NXT reward program social media on: January 16, 2014, 09:51:42 PM
Damelon's Bitcointalk summaries are a HUGE help.

Also fun to do, if you can believe that Smiley
1489  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 16, 2014, 09:46:47 PM
What has driven the price down?

I think today someone broke a wall at 0.0000400.
There is still a huge 2000000 wall at 0.0000300 Cheesy
1490  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 16, 2014, 08:27:00 PM
Why vote makes no unfair social media.
You call a couple of people that the community is all about?

That decide for everyone

Why not conduct a fair vote social media?


Unfortunately creating a Facebook page and paying for fake 'Likes' doesn't really help the community at all.

I bought a coupon promotion Facebook

I understand, but if I create a poll why not fair?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=418838.msg4547740#msg4547740

I wish the community is not honest, not surprisingly but the price falls to the nxt, unfair to the community



Community will pay for marketing, why can not I pay for Facebook?

I do not require rewards me hurt why not create a valid vote


I'll try to explain once, in case you truly do not understand.

"Bought" likes means "likes" that have not chosen to see the messages.
It's basically a kind of "facebook spam"

People dislike spam and when they see Nxt on their timeline they will be much more likely to think that Nxt is a spamming coin and not join.

Even if you thought you were really helping, you were not. The thought is appreciated, the way you did it was, well, just not good.

As to the vote: only sites that have been around for a while (before 3 january) were put in.

I'm sorry if you feel that is unfair, but those are the reasons that I see.
1491  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 16, 2014, 07:34:48 PM
Quote from: gbeirn
Ahahah exactly. I sometimes want to contact BCNext and say "You know what...great idea....but take it back, we aren't ready for it"
The technology should be decentralized.  The method of its development should be centralized.

Can this be made into a banner? Smiley
1492  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 16, 2014, 07:16:25 PM
New Bitcointalk Summary for those who want an overview of the last two days.
1493  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 16, 2014, 06:33:34 PM
I would vote and participate but really, there is no way to get caught up on the project for someone coming on board now and that hasn't been here since the beginning.

And on top of all that, that Dutch guy stopped posting daily summaries of this thread.  So now I'm ever farther behind. Sad

The Dutch Guy was at a sales meeting in Germany for two days and is at this moment collecting all data from over 80 pages  Grin

I'll post a summary in an hour or so Wink

Hang in there!
1494  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 16, 2014, 05:55:25 PM
Quote from: Damelon
Just pondered the whole voting discussion a bit, too.

There is one thing about democracy that is frequently forgotten.
Democracy in all it's known forms always has rested on a foundation that is inherently nót democratic: the first constitution (as written by founders).

This circumscribes the boundaries that democracy has. Some things cannot be voted into law, because they are against the constitution.
This is a failsafe to protect the democracy itself.

Having a totally "fair" voting system is impossible, but one thing that any constitution tries to do is protect minorities against the rule of the majority.

I feel a lot of debate that has been had over the last days revolves around this fear.

Of course this starting point is centralised (or at least oligarchic) in nature, but the aim of the centralised limits that have been put in place should be to protect the decentralisation that comes after it. One way of making sure of this is that the rules should limit the power of the initial rule-makers.

Quote from: utopianfuture
+1 You have said  a lot of sensible things so far. The issue is very complicated and it is getting even more. I would suggest someone to sit down and write a solid first draft proposal for voting  and also first draft proposal for funding. I am working on papers for the asset exchange so no time now.

I doubt this will earn me any friends but I strongly disagree with you guys here.  utopianfuture, you mention that the voting issue is getting very complicated.  It will continue to do so until it becomes unwieldly and threatens to derail the entire project.  We need a visionary leader who isn't afraid to make decisions.  Naturally, that is someone in charge of the code.  If somebody doesn't like it, they can fork the source code and start their own project.  It's a beautiful thing.

Someone (BCNext?, CfB?) needs to step up and unify this project under a single vision.

If we try to turn the Nxt software project into some kind of a model for "the way things ought to be", it will die a slow and painful death.  Gentoo Linux is a perfect example of this.  When Daniel Robbins created the Gentoo Foundation and stepped down as chief architect, it was the beginning of the end for Gentoo.  Much drama has unfolded since then and in spectacular fashion all over the internet.  These days, Gentoo Linux is a shadow of its former self.

My post is exactly an argument FOR such a visionary or at least someone to bite the bullet.

Edit: It definitely cannot be me, as the simple fact is I'm just a member of the community that participates, but is no leader.
1495  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 16, 2014, 05:50:05 PM
Could we agree that if we want to market finished apps developers and PR people for that app should do fundraisers and invest own Nxt?
That's basically normal market.

1496  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 16, 2014, 05:18:52 PM
Just pondered the whole voting discussion a bit, too.

There is one thing about democracy that is frequently forgotten.
Democracy in all it's known forms always has rested on a foundation that is inherently nót democratic: the first constitution (as written by founders).

This circumscribes the boundaries that democracy has. Some things cannot be voted into law, because they are against the constitution.
This is a failsafe to protect the democracy itself.

Having a totally "fair" voting system is impossible, but one thing that any constitution tries to do is protect minorities against the rule of the majority.

I feel a lot of debate that has been had over the last days revolves around this fear.

Of course this starting point is centralised (or at least oligarchic) in nature, but the aim of the centralised limits that have been put in place should be to protect the decentralisation that comes after it. One way of making sure of this is that the rules should limit the power of the initial rule-makers.

My 2 Nxt
1497  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 16, 2014, 04:49:06 PM
Been away for a while and just spent some time reading the thread again.

On marketing.

Definition: what are we talking about when talking about marketing?

It seems we have two objects are being discussed and confused: Nxt (system/framework) and applications of Nxt.

Both need a different approach. When confused, we get the non/mis-communication in the team.

My idea would be to do what we can now, which is two things at least:

- Market Nxt as the system. Target group at first would be people who are interested in new cryptos, and pushing the message that it's a system, not a coin. We get people to join in on that basis and make it appealing to be part of a new movement in cryptocurrency. Client development is in this group at first. The client is a must have condition for any mainstream marketing anyway.

- make a list of coming applications. We know what is coming and we know what people are working on (apps, messaging, torrenting programs etc etc etc.)

These applications cán be treated as products, whereas Nxt itself can't. It's hard to sell "the internet" for instance. It's "easy" to sell uses of the internet.

- We choose the applications that we think will get most attention. This will take analysis, but also a good working knowledge of what is coming. We focus on maximum of 3 things to push as hard as we can with all marketing tools available. We have people who can coordinate this and we create teams on a volunteer basis. Maybe we can offer perks to the team. Volunteers should be treasured.

This seems to give a framework where we can distinguish whát we are marketing and avoid confusion between Nxt (system) and the applications.

Makes sense?

Edit: a given here is that the applications are aimed at mainstream, so devs need to aim for userfriendliness and the products need to look good.
1498  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 16, 2014, 12:07:20 PM

When? Wink
1499  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 16, 2014, 01:32:41 AM
Berzerk = Passion_ltc and he is DEFINITELY not the one who made a weibo Smiley

He's NxtArea
1500  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 15, 2014, 11:25:33 AM

Yes, that's what I am saying. If, by lowering fees, we see a large increase in transactions, then it will be worth it to lower fees. The question is, will we see that large of an increase right now? If not, then it may be too early to do so.

That's my point we won;t see large transaction increases because someone is not gonna waste 1 Nxt just to send a simple msg.


the cheaper it is for the user the more they will use the service.....period.

Exactly my point, too.

Also, people like to communicate.
They love to send people chatter.

Give them the ability to do so, and I bet you that transactions will take off.
And Nxt is about transactions.

There is a feature that is usuable, so make it easy and cheap to use.
That's all I am saying.

I agree, maybe we should give it a try. Hopefully people will still forge even though their profits are being cut by up to 99% for the time being to keep the network secure Shocked When transaction volume picks up, we will be okay.

People should know that the proposal of fee lowering is because we expect the transaction volume to go UP.
If that doesn't happen, there is no reason to lower it, with that I agree. It's not a giveaway, it's a way to make features accessible and affordable for the most people.
The idea is to let everyone be able (also the small faucet accounts) to test and enjoy some of the more common features.
There is no problem with more advanced features to be more expensive. You pay for what you get.
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