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1501  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Are 1070 TI's the next best GPU for mining? 4.7 sols per watt on: November 24, 2017, 12:34:40 PM
A well dialed in 1080 can pretty close match a 1070 ti on efficiency - but it's also going to do about the same hashrate when it does so (WELL under 5% difference and commonly 1-2%) - which is NOT worth the ballpark 10% higher price on comparable models for no better efficiency and such a tiny gain on hashrate.



1502  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: EWBF's CUDA Zcash miner on: November 24, 2017, 12:24:14 PM
I can set the drivers to not update in win10. Which nvidia drivers are the most stable?

Can anyone please confirm which drivers are the best for 6 * nVidia GTX 1070 G1 Gaming 8GB for Windows 10 & EWBF nVidia.miner.0.3.4b.

Is seems like whenever I go above driver version "385.41-desktop-win10-64bit-international-whql" the miner becomes unstable and i have to reduce the OC.

Thanks

 No reason to use anything more recent than 373.06 on a mining machine, unless you have 1080 ti cards or 1070 ti cards that aren't supported by that old of a driver version (possibly some of the Pascal-based Titan version as well).
1503  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: 930~960w on 1000w psu. safe or not? on: November 24, 2017, 12:19:38 PM
I would have thought 80 to 85% load is where we try to aim for?

90% is certainly too high.

 80% of the power supply RATING will show as somewhat more than that on a wattmeter, due to the power supply CONVERSION LOSSES.

 The RATING is how much power the supply is rated to supply to the load, NOT how much it is rated to pull from the wall.

1504  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Mining Monero with CPU on: November 24, 2017, 12:17:41 PM
I am interested in a similar question though - if you have a mining rig, which runs on a cheap pentium 4 type arrangement, could you (profitably) mine ether on the gpu's and monero on the cpu? Or would the electricity costs and strain on the low range cpu outweigh the 10 cents extra or whatever it is you'll get from mining.
You won't get anything from mining monero on Pentium 4. It's so old I'm not even sure it'll even work for xmr mining

 Even with MY curiosity, I'm not going to waste time trying to get mining running on my old "now a media center" P4-2000 based machine.
 Doesn't help that it's running 2k, and the oldest OS I know of that supports a Monero miner at ALL is XP.

 About the only way I can think of that you could "mine" on a Pentium 4 is to run the Dnet RC5-72 client via the MooWrapper project on BOINC and earn a microscopic amount of GridCoin - but you will NOT earn enough to pay for the electric usage or even close.
1505  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Want a miner to heat my house.. on: November 24, 2017, 12:12:09 PM

A standard electric space heater will be 1000-2000 watt, is a standard space heater enough to heat your space? Perhaps you can borrow one from someone to see if it is adequate? You could even try with a hair dryer, check how much watt it is, open it full throttle and see if it is enough to heat your space so you know how much watt you should be thinking of.


 In the USA, standard "space heaters" are almost always 1500 watts, sometimes with a lower 750 setting or 2 lower settings around 500 and 1000 watts.

 ASIC miners are, in my experience with recent ones, ALL loud (the ones that aren't are old USB-based stuff that were very low capability).

 GPU rigs though can be set up to be pretty quiet, especially if you target the GPU power setting to around the most efficient operation area of that GPU.

1506  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: gpu bubble well and truly bursting on: November 24, 2017, 12:07:00 PM
I have VERY cheap electricity - and I also have a bunch of rigs that were originally built for Folding that are slowly getting converted to riser rigs that can handle a lot more cards that way.

 I'm also only at about 50 perhaps 55% of my max power capacity in my current location, though I'd have to start building completely new rigs again to push much closer to THAT limit.
1507  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Gridcoin (GRC) - first coin utilizing BOINC - Official Thread on: November 24, 2017, 12:04:33 PM
No, because Bitcoin is all mined by ASIC that can ONLY do one specific crypto algorithm, and nothing else.

 In a more broad sense, the level of power consumption used by Bitcoin mining if it was applied to properly designed GPU rigs (don't build it as 1x PCI-E lane riser rigs for FAH) could generate a TON of work pointed at FAH or BOINC or the other less-well-known distributed science projects.



1508  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Chinese Bitcoin Miners Explore Relocating Abroad Amid Fears of Crackdown on: November 24, 2017, 11:57:40 AM
Hi
How to find and invite to Russia these miners, we have little equipment, but a lot of cheap electricity.
Our company located in Russia, we have 1 MW of electricity for the price of 4 rubles per 1 kilowatt or 0,066 cents and put the planned gas-piston plant for producing electricity out of gas with the cost of 1.5 rubles per kilowatt or 0.025 cents per 1 kilowatt.
Currently working on Bitfury 28-nm machines.


Who in their right mind would go to do business in Russia. It is not reasonable. First in Russia there is uncertainty with the legislation concerning cryptocurrencies. Secondly, Russia is not the best situation with criminals. All this makes very risky the work of miners in Russia. The Chinese have long inhabited the far East of Russia and in spite of that not in a hurry to carry mine there.

 It would be perfectly reasonable for Russians - but I certainly would not be interested in moving there to mine if I wasn't a local.

1509  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Black Friday GPU Deals - know of any? on: November 23, 2017, 12:58:28 AM
Not so much an "oversupply" but a lack of "overdemand" compared to the last 6 months or so.

1510  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Mining Monero with CPU on: November 23, 2017, 12:54:34 AM
You are most likely going to kill your laptop...it's not worth it.
Continue mining zoin, because monero with your laptop is worthless and you'll kill it
How many of you have actually seen "killed" by mining laptops? Smiley Although it's obviously far from optimal setup for mining, how the hell do you kill a laptop with it?

 Laptops WILL overheat and die if you stress them too much - I HAVE had to repair some that folks admitted running stuff like the DNet client on (which is a cryptographic-type program that is VERY similar to many mining algorithms in how it stresses a CPU) or Prime95.

 Thermal throttling has limits, and most laptops PUSH those limits very hard to achieve the level of performance they DO manage to get to.

 Also, it's not always the CPU ITSELF that dies - it's often the motherboard because parts on IT are overheating due to excessive high-stress workload - like the power conversion circuitry.


 Not all RX series cards use cheap sleeve bearing fans (and not even all Gigabyte cards do) - reference Sapphire and the Gigabyte "Aorus" line - though far too many do so.


1511  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Need help building GTX1070 GPU mining Rig on: November 23, 2017, 12:49:23 AM
ETH mining on the GTX 1070 is a bad idea - the ONLY reason the 1070 got used as a ETH mining card is that the good AMD ETH mining cards for a while were in the SAME PRICE RANGE (and both got into the same range as GTX 1080 pricing for a while), so it made sense THEN to spend $450 on a GTX 1070 that would mine 30 Mhash/sec with a hair better power efficiency than a RX 470/480/570/580 that would "only" manage 26-29 Mhash/sec after BIOS modes for ABOUT THE SAME PRICE.

 Now that the RX cards are consistently available at 60% OR LESS of the price of the 1070 and still dropping towards pre-shortage pricing, there is no reason to even CONSIDER ETH mining on a 1070.

 Nobody ever even ANNOUNCED a mining-specific GTX 1070 model, and it's starting to look like the "mining specific" 1080 model that was rumored may have turned out to be the GTX 1070 ti instead.


 At least one and I believe 2 models of the Sapphire RX 470 "mining" card line are specified to have Samsung memory - but those Sapphire mining cards are the only ones I have seen where the memory brand IS specified.



1512  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: EthMonitoring \ EthControl (EWBF, Claymore's, CCMiner, AntMiner, Android/iOS) on: November 23, 2017, 12:40:40 AM
ETHMonitoring feedback.

In "dark theme" both the "remove selected miner" "add miner" and "theme" buttons are completely unreadable - black text on a VERY dark background.
The mining monitor area in "dark theme" is hard to read - a DARKER background would help a lot, the contrast is low with the current color choices.

It is irritating having the positions I move the various bars to (like Hasrate 1, Host, and such) reset upon reboot.
It is also irritating that the program doesn't even ALLOW standard Windows statup settings for "size" and "location" to be set.


 On to suggestions:

If the hashrate on a particular miner or GPU goes to 0, have the color change to red.

Monitor is going to be UNUSABLE for rigs that have more than about 7-8 cards per rig as currently configured. Really need to split the GPU hashrate and power/temp lines out, perhaps at the 6 GPU per rig point?

It would be nice to be able to remove some of the "bars" entirely from the listings - I don't have ANYTHING that needs 2 "hashrate" (I'm guessing that's for Claymore dual mining?) as an example.
1513  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [Cast XMR] high speed XMR/CryptoNight miner for RX Vega GPUs (2 KHash/s) on: November 23, 2017, 12:25:06 AM
I have 6% of shares flagged as outdated while mining in nicehash, would it help if the miner submit those staled shares?

 No.

 It's an issue with how Nicehash works - your hashrate gets switched to a different user fairly often and any work that was "in process" at that point automatically becomes outdated when the switch happens.

1514  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: What's the Best PSU for my GTX 1070 mining rig (alts) on: November 23, 2017, 12:22:20 AM
well, if you will run your cards with lower setting for power limit, like 70% so it would be aprox 105-110W each
so I think if you will not outlimit those limits you will be ok even with something cheaper then 1KW - Corsair 850W will be good
That is true in terms of power consumption, but if he goes with 5 cards, he'll need 10 pci-e connectors and then 5 peripheral molex/sata cables for the risers. Not many 850W PSUs come with 10 pci-e connectors, it's usually only 1KW+ units that have enough.

 VERY FEW 1070 cards need more than a single 8-pin (or 6+2 pin) PCI-E power connector.
 Ditto 1070 ti cards - I'm not aware of ANY of those (so far) that need more than one connector.
 1080 it's more common but a lot of them are still single connector.

 That monster MSI Gaming thing with the 240 watt TDP rating is the only one I know of for sure, but there MIGHT one or more others I'm not aware of.


 SATA is a VERY VERY BAD IDEA for riser usage - the connector ITSELF is only rated for 54 watts MAX (3 connectors at 1.5 amps each), the PCI-E spec calls for up to 75 watts draw out of the PCI-E BUS connector and many cards have been shown to pull a little MORE THAN THAT (specifically including some AMD RX 470/480 cards).

 "MOLEX" connectors on the other hand are rated for 13 AMPS per pin used (normal computer usage is 1 x 5 VDC, 1 x 12 VDC, 2 grounds) for 156 watts rated capacity - which is PLENTY for PCI-E bus power.

1515  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: What's the Best PSU for my GTX 1070 mining rig (alts) on: November 23, 2017, 12:16:07 AM
Most of my rigs run the Seasonic X-850 gold (which sadly is no longer in production and low availability) though I have one running the Seasonic SS-860 model (basically the Platinum version of the same PS) which DOES still seem to be available.
A few (noteably my B250 Pro 19-slot MB based rig using 2 PS so far) run the EVGA G2 850 (which has variable availability lately, not sure if it's still in production or not offhand).

 There are also 750 watt versions of those power supplies, and EVGA has their P2 line that are Platinum versions of the same supplies.

 Cooler Master and Corsair are HIGHLY VARIABLE on their power supplies (to be fair, so is EVGA) because they don't make their own supplies and different models are made by different manufacturers, some good some garbage.

 I strongly recommend AGAINST the Seasonic "Focus" and "Prime" lines, and the EVGA G3 line, as they moved to using junk "fancy name" sleeve bearing fans THAT DO NOT LAST IN A HIGH TEMP HIGH LOAD ENVIRONMENT LIKE MINING.


 6 x 1070 running at EFFICIENT settings will be OK on a good 1000 - my 5 card rigs with a mix of 1070/1070ti/1080 at efficient settings (100-110 watt TDP) and high-power-usage FX-83xx CPUs fit comfortably on those power supplies I mentioned above.

 PCI-E connectors are enough, if you power your risers from MOLEX - but the cards that have to share a "dual" PCI-E cable might be squeezed a little too close for GOOD cooling. Worst case, angle them away from each other at the bracket end.
 The Seasonics are better there, as they have one more "PCI-E" designated connector on the PS (and only have to use ONE dual cable) than the EVGA model does - though EVGA gives you a bit longer cable length between connectors on their "dual" cables.


1516  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: ZenCash DAG file size on: November 23, 2017, 12:02:52 AM
2)  ALL Ethhash coins have a DAG file - I believe that the smallest is in the 1.5 GB range but I might be off on the LOW side as I've not actually looked at all of them.
     DAG file usage is part of the algorithm.

1)  The real limitation on other algorithms is the compute capability of the GPU, not the RAM size.
     The GTX 1060 is a special case, as the "3GB" model does NOT have the same core count as the "6GB" model - they should be counted as DIFFERENT CARDS and IMO Nvidia is arguably guilty of false advertising by calling those 2 cards the "same model" of GPU.

3)  You are a painter or a carpenter.



1517  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: Do they sell power supplies that can power MANY antminers? on: November 22, 2017, 11:48:29 PM
I can't seem to find power supplies beyond 1500W. That'll basically power 1 Antminer S9. If I have 4-5, is it possible to buy a power supply to power all of them?

 For standard ATX supplies, 1600 watts is the limit because they're all designed to be useable worldwide - which INCLUDES the USA with it's very common 15 amp 110 volt circuits that anything bigger WOULD OVERLOAD.

 For server supplies, outside of "specific designs for mainframes" and such, the largest widely available PS I'm aware of is a Delta model that is rated for 2400 CONTINUOUS watts output with 220 volt input.


 For perspective, a 30 amp 220 circuit (which is common in data centers, usually on a L6-30 "drop cord" from "tracks" hanging from the roof) is only good for about 6.6 KW INTERMITTANT usage, or a little over 5 KW 24/7 continuous usage - which fits *2* of those Delta supplies comfortably on one circuit.


 Keep in mind that the power density of ASIC Cryptocoin mining machines is extremely HIGH compared to almost ALL computer hardware - most file servers and web servers use less than 300 watts in a 1u case, which has MORE cubic inches than a Bitmain S9 or any other similar-form-factor ASIC miner.

 It's also why you aren't seeing ANY miners hit wide distribution with a power draw "at the wall" much over 1400 watts.

1518  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: What level of air filtration do u use for your bitcoin miners? on: November 22, 2017, 11:41:25 PM
I blow them out when I sell them

Huh, u mean u only clean when u sell them?
U dont do anythin else to stop dust before?

There is not much you can do if your room is not air tight.. You will just minimize it with those filters due to infiltrations of room openings. Most mining rooms are negative pressure due to exhaust system.

 Sure there is.

 Filtered air INTAKE and positive pressure design.

 If you have POSITIVE pressure in the room infiltration isn't an issue.


 I suspect most mining rooms are negative pressure because folks ASSUME that a "gable" type fan can ONLY be used for exhaust (it's what they're designed for, but they CAN be used for intake with proper design and installation).


 I do the positive pressure filtered intake more due to MY issues with dust and smoke and such vs for the miners though, especially after last summers massive "smoke from many many forest fires upwind" issues in my area.

1519  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Want a miner to heat my house.. on: November 22, 2017, 11:35:52 PM
ANY mining setup will generate heat - for most of us the issue is "heat removal" not "enough heat".

1520  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: DragonMint 16TH/S halongmining.com on: November 22, 2017, 11:34:57 PM
you know why this shit is for real ?

S9 was 2 days ago sold out after 5 days of selling and since yesterday they started selling again...

Bitmain was never so fast to create "new batches"

 Error.

 They have FREQUENTLY had "small batches" a day or three after a new batch on ALL of their current miner models, due to payment failures leaving them with machines that they THOUGHT were sold but ended up being available after all.



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