@ sheenshane (0r anyone else willing to venture down this path of speculation)

Do you have any kind of theory of the extent to which alt coins are going to play out in their influences upon BTC prices in the coming 6 months or so?  Assuming that BTC prices are going to gradually begin to migrate upwards, as Hairy's analogy by fractal comparison seems to suggest?  

Overall, if we assume that a fractal kind of comparison pattern is going to play out - even if the timeline does not match up with any kind of precision, do you believe that:

1) alt coins are going to pump again along with BTC at similar, or perhaps even higher than BTC levels?

2) alts are going to lead the way (or at least pump ahead of BTC)?

3) BTC will be less able to pump until a bit more froth is purged out of the alt coin market, which will not stop the pumping of either BTC or alts, but will cause the pumping of alts to initially follow BTC's pump, even if later a decent number of alt pumpenings surpasses BTC pump levels?

4) some other kind of variation that I have not described, such as alts are not going to pump along with BTC?

Personally, I am more inclined towards some kind of variation of 1 and 3, and of course, I am not asserting that there can be any kind of exact knowledge about which alts pump - because there are likely to be some losers in the mix, too... and it remains quite likely that BTC's price performance is going to enable the ability of various shitcoins to prosper, even if BTC is NOT going to price move as extremely as some of the others.

I believe that in bitcoin with each exponential price rise such as 2013, and 2017, there are more people who are stocking away BTC and just putting them in cold storage.  Maybe not all of their stash, but a decent portion.  Of course some of those who bought before mid- 2017 (which would have been lower than $2k) would have sold some or all of their stash at various points after late 2017 to present. 

But in the end, with the passage of time, BTC is likely gaining more new adherents than it is losing, even if it seems difficult to measure.  There are also people like Jack Dorsey who are just buying into BTC and not even being very secretive about it, which is going to cause more and more difficulties to push BTC prices down further or to hold them down, even if there are temporary achievements to get BTC prices down. 

In that regard, if bears, whales and manipulators cannot push the price down anymore because there is at least a certain quantity of folks who are not selling, then they are only left with UP momentum that has its own kind of contagion, even if getting to UP momentum can take many months to play out or even to figure out with any kind of level of confidence.

Soon ^Tm

Hairy, currently not a bearie, I understand that you are a fractal kind of guy, and you are looking at pure BTC charts... which is all fine and dandy, especially since a lot of us, including yours truly, are not very excited about getting too much of our analysis muddied up with the performance of various shitcoins.

Nonetheless, what is your sense of the matter?

In recent months, every time that I see BTC pump a little bit, 1% to 5%, various alts will 2x to 10x the BTC pumps, and sure, they  might come back down, and yeah overall, they might be starting off from a lower price point.. but doesn't any of that seeming ongoing froth bother you or cause you to believe that various shitcoins might screw up your fractal comparisons?

From my own perspective, prior to the BTC price drop below $6k, I was almost certain that shitcoins were going to be coming along for at least one more ride upwards with BTC, but BTC's drop below $6k caused me a whole hell-of-a lot less confidence in my speculation of that kind of an alts coming with scenario.

Sure it is all fine and dandy that alts still might come with on this next BTC pump, but it really seems unhealthy if several of them appear to be leading the way in the pump, and that kind of a playing out  of value neither seems to contribute to a sustainable BTC pump nor a sign that BTC is actually quite ready to get pumped, unless some of these shitty projects could at least hold off a bit before they seem to be trying to lead the way.. which they are far from fundamentally solid enough to sustain, and historically we have not really had alts leading the way.. as far as my superficial reading of BTC pumpening history.

You have any thoughts regarding how alts are contributing to your attempts at fractal analysis?

That part is for sure, and if you go to restaurants, you may have to suck it up with some of the oils that they use for cooking, too.... I try NOT to be too picky about things, but asking for real butter, and they bring you margerine can sometimes be frustrating because I wont eat margarine... but if they cook with margarine, I might not even know that or if thy put sugar or some other fillers in my food, I might not realize it... so I tend to concede that once in a while is ok.. with these kinds of inabilities to control ingredients.



I know that sometimes it can be frustrating to go out to eat with friends, and the menu options are just not very good.. and it costs an arm and a leg in order to eat the better food.. such as a steak or something like that... Frequently there can be substitute items that are fine for just a meal or two, but if a "friend" brings you to a vegan restaurant, it can become quite frustrating when they act as if the meat substitutes (usually soy) are somehow nutritionally equal to the real deal.. oh shit!!! 

Again, I hate to be wishing too much, but let's say if BTC prices go up from here,, 3x or 5x or more, then can each one of us who wants to eat quality food at least stock away enough BTC in order that we can use our BTC profits to pay the extra amount, just so that we can be more healthy, live longer and likely with better quality of energy, too?   

Maybe each of us has to put away a few extra BTC, just for the extra costs of improving the foods that we eat (presuming that we are not eating good, now)?  I have already taken this step a bit more than 8 years ago.. I don't go cheap, anymore, when it comes to food... and don't get me wrong, I don't have to buy organic shit.. as long as I am eating regular meat with fat, then I don't give any shits about the other premium labels that are placed on foods... and don't be trimming fats of my food, either. hahaha     

By the way, a bit over a month ago, I was spending a few days with some family members, and I brought with me a few items, just in case they did not have some of them...  Besides some drinks, I brought butter, heavy whipping cream and bacon.  I usually buy 5 pound of packs of bacon, so there tends to be a bit of randomness regarding how much fat is in the bacon packs. 

I was planning to cook the bacon pack up for breakfast on one of the mornings, for everyone, but one of my aunts beat me to the cooking... Well it was her house, so she kind of wanted to do everything including that she was cooking all of the bacon. 

When she got to the end of the pack, I noticed that she had been trimming some of the excess fat off of some of the bacon pieces, and when she got to the end of cooking the whole pack, she had nearly trimmed a half of a pound of fat that was sitting to the side.  I asked her:  "what you going to do with that fat?"  She said  either throw it away or send it back with me. 

I said that is crazy to do either of those, and why not just cook it up and make it available for people, because the rest of the pack was already cooked.  She said, o.k., and she cooked the rest of it.  Thereafter she mixed the fatty pieces in with the rest of what she had cooked, and after we were done eating, I asked her if she could determine which parts of the bacon people had eaten and which parts they did not eat. 

She said that she could not really see any differences..  and people seemed to have eaten the ones with fat, the ones without as much fat and the nearly pure fat pieces.  hahahahahhahaha  Hopefully, I did not shorten the lives of all of them by clogging up their coronary arteries with all of that extra bacon fat. 

I thought that this thread was about bitcoin?

What is this "crypto" thingie ma jiggie that you refer to?  Never heard of it.  Did you mean there is some kind of "all time low" demand for bitcoin, or are you talking about something else? 

As far as I can tell, bitcoin is currently doing pretty damned well - even comparing it's price performance in 2015 to today.  Holy shit!!!!  Bitcoin's price is more than 15x higher than it was in the vast majority of 2015 (base price of about $250 during that time), so I am having difficulties understanding your purported claim of some kind of loss of interest in bitcoin. 

Perhaps you need to zoom out a little bit in order gain some better perspective, and also such zooming out could possibly help you to not make such stupid-ass claims.  Furthermore, it is possible that you are merely in the wrong thread because you seem to be talking about some amorphous concept of crypto, and you did not even say what that is, exactly.  Just because a lot of other people are making those kinds of dumb categorical mistakes should not cause yourself to devolve into such vague nonsense.

hahahahahahahahaha.... No.... misterlucky does not want to actually do any work to write any kind of decent post, instead s/he it would rather wish for an ability to add images in the near future. 

Wishing away, like this:

Exactly... some kind of real gawdy and difficult to tolerate layout as if it were "art".... Proven usage would be making a certain number of posts on that day, such as 5 or more, to thereby be labelled as an "April addict" for the remainder of the month.  I would expect to receive such label, unless I happen to be non-forum busy on that day.. for some random and unlikely reason.


Edit:

After browsing through the remainder of this thread (so in my mind, I am sufficiently caught up), I thought that some of the proposed April fools changes would be very difficult to achieve beyond just making an announcement, and then if there is a kind of reversal issue, some people could become disgruntled by the joke.... In other words, it is going to be difficult to beat the 2018 april fools joke... that was a real good one (and seemingly easy to reverse).

For an additional possible joke suggestion, I had thought that something like disabling all hat avatars would be great, but I just don't know if there is an easy enough algorithm to filter the type of avatars, and another problem would be to reverse the joke.. might not be easy, either.  Anyhow, the ban of hat avatars premise could be that a kind of cult has established around hats, and such cult behavior takes away from forum cohesion.      Incumbent users of hats would be disallowed from employing the use of any kind of avatar for one year.

I think that you have to eliminate the soy completely, unless it is fermented... limited beans and rice can be o.k.... but not nearly as nutritious as a fatty steak, pork or lamb cut.

Something weird is taking place with food prices.  Of course, if the food is less processed, then there should be fewer middlemen in there taking a cut and also diluting the value of the food by putting in frequently unnecessary fillers.... but, yes, there can be a supply and demand issue too in regards to the demands for certain kinds of cuts, including fatty cuts. 

Just a few years ago, I could not find fatty cuts at regular markets, and now sometimes they are becoming more available, and I recall going to some of the specialty or "low-end" markets to get some of the fattier cuts (as a kind of scraps), but some of those prices of the fattier cuts seem to have gone up to similar prices as the regular cuts.

I had my come to Jesus moment regarding the value of high fat foods a little more than 8 years ago; however, before that time, I would eat almost anything, and conclude that my activity would kind of "burn it off", but I found that as you get older, your body cannot handle as much abuse and recover from that abuse.   

So, I think that there has always been a bit of a premium on buying good quality foods, and I came to a realization that I don't mind paying more for less processed foods, and hopefully coming into bitcoin helps as well - because if we are able to generate decent returns on our bitcoin investment portfolio, then we can feel more comfortable to engage in a decent amount of splurging on good quality foods.  If we live both longer and in a more energized way, with fewer (or perhaps no) medications, then we are going to get some empowering from that, too.

Oh my gawd!!!!!  I am so embarrassing to be caught..  .. and you are a girl too (85% odds) because boys don't call boys, boys.     

I understand that there are a few vegetables with decent fats, including avocados and there are others, too.  I am not saying that you are not getting nutrition from some vegetables, but I was asserting that there are some meats that allow you to get all of your nutrients in one setting... as long as you eat them with the fats.

Something wrong with red meat?  Hey one of the problem with processing meats is that they trim the fats.  So red meat should be eaten with fats... I agree too much protein might not be a good thing, so better to eat meats with fat.

Plausible explanation:  she was not getting enough meat in her diet, and she was attempting to use you as a substitute.  How does it feel to have the tables turned and be objectified?  Good?

Oh.. shit!!!!!!  Are you saying that my eating meat is causing me to act more aggressively?


By the way, I have to fight back with your soy assertion for the bonobo... none of these animals are eating soy...

I did a quickly looking up of the bonobo.. and even if, in nature, they seem to have a majority of their diet as non-meat (apparently lots of fruit), they do tend to eat a decent amount of meat, too.... including eggs.... and ultimately, I see it as a BIG so what?  We are not the same as them in our lifestyles, even if there are decent genetic overlap (relationship).

I definitely will concede that there are going to be both exceptions and examples of great performances that may have other explanations. I personally don't live my life by exceptions, and I understand that there are decently strong arguments on both sides - and some of the arguments are more convincing than others... I am just not very convinced about any kind of claims to vegan prowess that might not be tied to other more plausible explanations.  

Just like bitcoin news, there is a lot of misleading and bullshit information out there in the diet world.. and I consider veganism almost like a shit coin..... of course, there are variations of good/bad intentions with both shitcoins and with veganism...,

  I am far from convinced about the health benefits of veganism.. including the necessity to somehow get all essential fats in a vegan diet through plants or some bullshit, when those essential fats are frequently already present and largely already bio-available (without having to take a bunch of bullshit supplements) in various kinds of meats without having to dance around and figure things out, and the nutrients are just there, in meat, and bio-available... ...

Yeah... good luck with that nonsense.   

It's a good point, but the real world does measure a lot of goods and services in dollars...

Anyhow, if we understand that our current dollar valuation is a moving target (of course manipulated too), then we slowly can move more and more of our value into assets like bitcoin.

A vegan approach would be the worst for libido... but if you are a vegetarian who at least regularly eats eggs (or some foods that have animal fats in them, like fish), then you should avoid some of the worst of the negative libido impacts...

I understand when younger folks get on their higher and mightier than thou vegan trips, it could take a several years before they really feel the negative impacts of non animal fat diets, because humans are pretty resilient in terms of ability to process a variety of bad foods and keep on living.. and hey depending on the sport some top athletes might not go over their prime until nearly reaching their 40s (partly depending on the sport, of course).

I am not vegetarian either.  That shit is gonna either kill you and/or your libido.. sooner or later, and maybe you can get away with such killing of libido when you are younger, but when you grow up, it seems much better to enhance libido rather than stifle it... through wimpy SJW wannabe diets.  That is if you consider sex as a desirable way to spend some of your time.



Hey Globb0, You seem to be making part of my point.  If there is a team of wives, then even more important to enhance, rather than stifle libido... just saying.

Relatively speaking... ... V8 seems to have an edge on most mere mortals... to the extent mortal.