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1521  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 12, 2014, 07:33:07 PM
Can someone tell me why all these thread are opened here on BCT, and not on our own forum nxtcrypto?

I mean this seriously and as an open question. I'm fine with it, just a bit surprised.





1522  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 12, 2014, 07:08:56 PM
from CfB:

the one that can guess exactly when we will hit page 1000 gets 100 NXT the ones who publish on page 1000 get also 10 NXT each

Maybe if you guys chill a bit this thread might become useful. Seriously, go AFK for few hours and come back to witness just insane
amount of crap added here in the meantime. You are spamming out important stuff like problems with NXT wallet and so on. It could
be that IS the reason behind such stupid contest but long-term you are not really helping anyone.

I agree 100% about this... these little games, sweepstakes, ask BCTnext a question, etc are very gimmicky n completely unnecessary to promote a supposed "next generation" crypto.

we have no "working" product yet... so the only thing a new user has to base his decision on whether or not to use n adopt nxt is forum post like here...our community posts here n future promises of what nxt can do is what helps new users  n investors  put money n faith into nxt.

 I propose we leave out these little gimmicks n games n focus on nxt development related materials so new users n investors can have faith in putting their money into nxt.

Sometimes I believe people are reading a totally different thread than I am...
Apart from some light heartedness, mostly I see people thinking and working their asses off and showing the products.
This takes time, so yes, "nice" interfaces and ease of use is still weeks/months in the future.
This has been said by more than one dev.

The target group of new users at this moment is not the mainstream user. I'd be horrified if someone actually proposed to try and go to market with the current client.
At this moment it's for people who are interested in the inner workings and not the mainstream user.

However, apart from hard work, sometimes it's nice to have some fun.
1523  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt marketing & promotion - progress tracking thread on: January 12, 2014, 06:14:35 PM
Can you add the Dutch info site: www.nxtcoins.nl to the list, too?
1524  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 12, 2014, 05:20:38 PM
www.nxtcoins.nl has just been updated.

Decided to fork out for a backend that is a bit more flexible and allows me to add future content and keep the site up to date more easily.

If there are some Dutchies out there, consider plugging the site, as well as giving me some input on what needs to be/can be added.

Had a fun afternoon  Grin
1525  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 12, 2014, 11:32:30 AM
Who is the owner of http://nxtra.org/faucet ? Someone please tell the guy there is (are) (BOT) drainer(s) getting thousands of NXT
out of faucet every damn day! Just check transacations in NXT wallet real time, it is hillarious. Occassional alias registrations, some
legit coin transfers and mostly faucet drains. How about limiting faucet to one request per few minutes? Yes, make people fight for
spot in queue. Make a "patience and click fast" game out of the whole deal.
wesley is the owner. Please give a few examples of what you mentioned.

http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=6973288302950136231&offset=1&filter=1

Every 3-4 minutes Nxt is being given out.

Yes, and? All Nxt given out is to different addresses. I just saw 1 case in the last 20 giveaways, where the guy transferred the 3 NXT to another account.

This is adoption. Every 3 minutes are only 480 ppl per day.

It's the regularity of the handouts that makes it suspicious.
You'd expect a less regular pattern.
When the faucet gives out the coins in a rather regular fashion you can bet that it's probably not normal activity but an automated process.
Unless of course he put in an automated process himself that is basically just going through a list of people who signed up.
We'll see. I'm glad someone pointed it out, so that if there ís something wrong, it's caught.
1526  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 12, 2014, 10:59:27 AM
Who is the owner of http://nxtra.org/faucet ? Someone please tell the guy there is (are) (BOT) drainer(s) getting thousands of NXT
out of faucet every damn day! Just check transacations in NXT wallet real time, it is hillarious. Occassional alias registrations, some
legit coin transfers and mostly faucet drains. How about limiting faucet to one request per few minutes? Yes, make people fight for
spot in queue. Make a "patience and click fast" game out of the whole deal.
wesley is the owner. Please give a few examples of what you mentioned.

http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=6973288302950136231&offset=1&filter=1

Every 3-4 minutes Nxt is being given out.

1527  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 12, 2014, 10:49:53 AM
Who is the owner of http://nxtra.org/faucet ? Someone please tell the guy there is (are) (BOT) drainer(s) getting thousands of NXT
out of faucet every damn day! Just check transacations in NXT wallet real time, it is hillarious. Occassional alias registrations, some
legit coin transfers and mostly faucet drains. How about limiting faucet to one request per few minutes? Yes, make people fight for
spot in queue. Make a "patience and click fast" game out of the whole deal.

That's wesley's faucet.

Just looked at the blockchain and I see what you mean.
He just added the email system yesterday, but it doesn't seem to be bot proof Sad
1528  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 11, 2014, 11:32:42 PM


symbol is finally changed on coinmarket!

http://coinmarketcap.com/

thx bitcoinpaul I think

Pin

From a sales/marketing perspective... I think that calling Nextcoin by "Nxt" instead of "Nextcoin" is a huge mistake.

Nothing kills adoption faster then "confusion".  Calling something "Nxt" is confusing as hell.  I know u commented on my video once n asked me to use the term Nxt instead of Nextcoin n it took several weeks before I realized what you were even talking about.

I think we should have stuck with the term "Nextcoin".

Instead of relying on fancy names to promote Nextcoin, we should be focused on making solid features on Nxt and make it as user friendly and easy to understand as possible.

This is one area that is still lacking in the crypto market despite the fact that we have dozens of different currencies.

people who are already in the crypto currency market can figure out and understand what "Nxt" is… But people new to the crypto currency market will have no clue (unless they do extensive research) to even know that Nxt is a crypto currency.

Confusion is not good for public adoption...

Nextcoin would be just as confusing, because Nxt isn't a coin, or rather not just a coin. The "coin" is part of the larger system.

I clearly understand that nxt is not a coin.  What do you think people will find when they search for "what is nextcoin?" vs. "what is nxt?" on google?

Right now, the only people that know nxt is a crypto are people on these forums... in order to get massive adoption it's important that the non technie public can "instantly" recognized the term we use. 

Do you think people will understand "nextcoin" easier or just using the words "next"?

I understand we want to differentiate ourselves from btc to show that we are unique n different.  We can do that by making nxt easier to "use"  rather then using a fancy name that does nothing but causes confusion.

I've known and invested in btc n cryptos for a yr now n still did not know what "next" was when I heard n saw it for the first time... however, i instantly knew what the term "nextcoin" meant the first time i heard it.

Imagine how a new public user would think when they first hear the term "next".  don't put urself in ur shoes. put yourself in the shoes of a new non techie user.

I think that starting out as "Nextcoin" to avoid confusion (although I understand the reasoning behind it) and thén trying to change it back later to Nxt is what will cause even more confusion, and also more work in PR and marketing.
A better idea to my taste is to push NXT as the brand as hard as possible. The "coin" part can be referred to separately.

You see the line of reasoning I mean in this thread: https://forums.nxtcrypto.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=524.
The NXT brand is used there as an identifier.

Confusing the brand at the start by trying to be something that you are not is more confusing, not to mention difficult to get rid of, in the future. You have a good chance you end up being "stuck" with the Nextcoin brand. The same confusion that is potentially there (which I think is overstated) will still be there later, unless you at least heavily incorporate "Nxt" from the start besides "Nextcoin" or "Nxtcoin" (of which the latter seems better but also very forced).

As to the non-techie user, I think he or she has less problems with Nxt, as he won't be burdened with the idea of altcoins to begin with. To them it will just be a new service, by whatever name it is called. "Nxt" will more likely be connotated as "the next way of payment" than as "the next Bitcoin".
1529  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 11, 2014, 10:27:41 PM

So if I understand correctly some kind of format like: "Asset exchange, powered by Nxt", where asset exchange could get it's own marketable trademark, too?

yes, something like that. We don't want to be marketing a swiss army knife. People will assume that each component is some limited version. We want to market a powerful "Asset Exchange", "Arbitrary Messages", etc. Each should be strong enough to standalone and even have its own non-generic identity.

We don't want it to be like seeing generic versions of many different types of products, but rather premium versions each in its own category. NXT is always there under the hood, powering things. Anybody that digs below the surface will find that NXT is powering a whole lot of things.

For example, a company like Johnson and Johnson has many recognizable brands, but they market each brand to its specific market. The fact that they are all Johnson and Johnson brands is not really a factor. Any investor that does research into JnJ will find out that it has all these brands and more: tylenol, visine, splenda, nicorrete, sudafed, listerene, band-aid, ben-gay, neosporin, etc.

Each of these brands could be an entire company all by itself.

Which is more impressive, a company with a dozen generic products or powerful brands in a dozen categories?

At some point, we probably should come up with a non-generic name for each of the new features. This can all be wrapped into a separate NXTIPO. Decentralized. Develop each brand independently. NXT becomes the sum of all the brands, but not just an additive sum, because NXT will be the ONLY crypto that has all these features and the smart investors will certainly figure this out

James

I like this idea. It allows for people to strike out on their own or in a group and pool all their energy to make one project really worthwhile.
Not everyone will be interested in all aspects anyway.

It also means you don't have to explain the whole project to every investor, but can focus on pitching the thing you are actually working on.
1530  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 11, 2014, 10:11:04 PM
Due to abuse I've had to change the system at http://nxtra.org/faucet - where previously you only needed to enter your account number, you now also need to enter your email address.

Could a couple of users who haven't used the faucet yet please try this and report if it works correctly for them?



Seems to work. At least I get the confirmation email etc.
I also like the little game instead of CAPTCHA.
1531  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 11, 2014, 10:02:40 PM


symbol is finally changed on coinmarket!

http://coinmarketcap.com/

thx bitcoinpaul I think

Pin

From a sales/marketing perspective... I think that calling Nextcoin by "Nxt" instead of "Nextcoin" is a huge mistake.

Nothing kills adoption faster then "confusion".  Calling something "Nxt" is confusing as hell.  I know u commented on my video once n asked me to use the term Nxt instead of Nextcoin n it took several weeks before I realized what you were even talking about.

I think we should have stuck with the term "Nextcoin".

Instead of relying on fancy names to promote Nextcoin, we should be focused on making solid features on Nxt and make it as user friendly and easy to understand as possible.

This is one area that is still lacking in the crypto market despite the fact that we have dozens of different currencies.

people who are already in the crypto currency market can figure out and understand what "Nxt" is… But people new to the crypto currency market will have no clue (unless they do extensive research) to even know that Nxt is a crypto currency.

Confusion is not good for public adoption...

I agree that confusion is best avoided.

NXT enables an entire digital economy and also creates ways for people to earn an income. It is much more than a coin. 4 of the top 10 (by marketcap) cryptos have no mention of "coin", so it does not seem to be such a critical issue of mass confusion.

I think if each NXT feature was marketed on its own merits, then the confusion will be minimized. No need to explain to somebody that is interested in Arbitrary Messages, all the details of Asset Exchange. Just need one hook to get somebody interested in NXT. Then there is the excellent wiki where they can find out all they need (or want) to know about NXT.

James

So if I understand correctly some kind of format like: "Asset exchange, powered by Nxt", where asset exchange could get it's own marketable trademark, too?
1532  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 11, 2014, 09:58:29 PM


symbol is finally changed on coinmarket!

http://coinmarketcap.com/

thx bitcoinpaul I think

Pin

From a sales/marketing perspective... I think that calling Nextcoin by "Nxt" instead of "Nextcoin" is a huge mistake.

Nothing kills adoption faster then "confusion".  Calling something "Nxt" is confusing as hell.  I know u commented on my video once n asked me to use the term Nxt instead of Nextcoin n it took several weeks before I realized what you were even talking about.

I think we should have stuck with the term "Nextcoin".

Instead of relying on fancy names to promote Nextcoin, we should be focused on making solid features on Nxt and make it as user friendly and easy to understand as possible.

This is one area that is still lacking in the crypto market despite the fact that we have dozens of different currencies.

people who are already in the crypto currency market can figure out and understand what "Nxt" is… But people new to the crypto currency market will have no clue (unless they do extensive research) to even know that Nxt is a crypto currency.

Confusion is not good for public adoption...

Nextcoin would be just as confusing, because Nxt isn't a coin, or rather not just a coin. The "coin" is part of the larger system.
1533  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 11, 2014, 07:20:20 PM
Btw, how to delete an alias:
Create a new account, send there some coins, rebuy your alias by using a pass from 1st account for 1 coin, then buy the same alias for more coins by the 2nd acc passphrase

This won't work.

I was worried already.
1534  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 11, 2014, 06:28:01 PM
Why global adoption is not an option.
A very good read as of why inflationary currencies are far from perfect, but the smaller evil compared to deflationary.

http://www.tuicool.com/articles/2qayYjb

And like the author, I am a fan of cryptos. The limited supply type just has some fundamental flaws.

It is just very common misunderstanding and flawed logic people make regarding crypto currencies such as Bitcoin or NXT. No serious crypto supporter said Bitcoin can entirely replace fiat currencies. Here what i often tell others, Bitcoin just need to replace 1% of the total global usage of fiat currency and banking system, it is already worth at least 100K $ / per coin, and it goes up from there.
When Bitcoin is only 1% of the total fiat, the debate of deflation is very moot point. It just doesn't matter for the economic functioning of the global economy.

It's for this reason I'm glad the word "coin" isn't used in Nxt (at least not supposed to).
Coin is a misleading word in the context. Especially with the coloured coin system, where it's basically an entity that can represent anything.

Edit: even if the word coin is in there :p
1535  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 11, 2014, 06:20:20 PM
HELP! I sent coins from nxtchg to my dgex account, and now Im asked to input which address I sent from. The problem is I cant find any account address on nxtchg! If I click on withdrawals and then on the order I get the following information:

Sent to: 6635869272840226493

Transaction: 12886460838448628559

Time: 11 Jan 2014, 18:08:15

Does "Transaction" mean sender address? Its 20 digits long while the "sent to" address is 19..?

Getting a bit sweaty over here!

Have you tried the nxtchg thread on nxtcrypto already? https://forums.nxtcrypto.org/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=330

I just checked and the owner of that site hasn't logged into the forums for two days. I hope you get it sorted.

Edit: by the way, "Transaction" means the actual transaction: you can check it in the blockchain explorer by filling in that number http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=100
1536  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 11, 2014, 05:47:10 PM
So, you premined 100% and still don't do a giveaway?

So, you decided you would come in, spout your opinion and ask for a giveaway?

Not asking for a giveaway. Just questioning your marketing strategies
If you'd done some research, you'd know that there have been giveaways and there still are loads of bounties for people who contribute.

You'd also know that the word "mine" doesn't apply here.

I did know that. I did my research. Still don't think that's sufficient

I have been thinking about that last sentence, and the only answer I can come up with is: "So, how do you propose to solve that? Force people to give it away?"
Or is it basically just a statement that means to say "I disapprove"?
1537  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 11, 2014, 05:33:38 PM
So, you premined 100% and still don't do a giveaway?

So, you decided you would come in, spout your opinion and ask for a giveaway?

Not asking for a giveaway. Just questioning your marketing strategies
If you'd done some research, you'd know that there have been giveaways and there still are loads of bounties for people who contribute.

You'd also know that the word "mine" doesn't apply here.
1538  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 11, 2014, 04:57:36 PM
So, you premined 100% and still don't do a giveaway?

So, you decided you would come in, spout your opinion and ask for a giveaway?
1539  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 10, 2014, 11:28:30 PM
I just posted a proposal to fix the account number typo-problem over at the official forums:
https://forums.nxtcrypto.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=524 <- making NXT account numbers awesome!

What do you think about that?

The sarcasm makes option two mightily tempting...
1540  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [Official] Cryptsy Coin Poll on: January 10, 2014, 10:49:28 PM
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