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15381  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin up. on: April 04, 2012, 09:02:01 PM
i love this:  http://www.zerohedge.com/news/wont-be-fooled-week-either-retail-celebrates-highest-stock-prices-2007-biggest-redemption-2012
15382  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin up. on: April 04, 2012, 08:35:34 PM


this thread was started 3/13

Bitcoin  5.40

Gold 1690.


today 4/4

Bitcoin 4.93   (down ~9%)

Gold 1620  (down ~4%)


4% is a Collapse?  Everyone's congrating on a great call??  

For a 4% drop in a 3 week timespan.......

I don't get it.  

Minor pullback.




there was a particularly bad piece of news on Bitcoin that came out on 5/19 that i had no way of knowing would happen.  very sorry silverbox.
15383  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin up. on: April 04, 2012, 08:30:52 PM

I was in a particularly harsh mood yesterday, but I pretty much stand by what I say.  

yes you were.  i was surprised b/c usually you're pretty level headed and impartial.  everyone's entitled to their opinion, i guess.

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What I did not do was accuse you of stating exactly what was going to happen exactly when.  Keeping up with your copious work is challenging and not interesting enough for me to actually do in a nit-picky sort of way.  My sense is that you do tend toward shorter term calls than I usually feel comfortable with, but I am most interested in dealing with relatively long time horizon.

its funny that ppl criticize how many posts i have made.  most of them were in the first gold thread i put up with miscreanity being so engaging. Wink  he knows me better than anyone else here in that we'd have back and forths multiple times per day for months back then flushing out deep theories about how the system works.  lots of ppl enjoyed that thread and this one for that matter.  the fact that he has acknowledged my calls is a testimony as far as i'm concerned since he really knows how i think despite the fact that he disagrees.  (i'm betting he's hating that he complimented me right now. Wink)

i would think that many posts would act like a perpetual record to toe the line on one's prediction or opinions.  thats how i see it.  i don't mind putting myself out there or being so brazen enough to predict what i think is going to happen.  why?  its b/c i have confidence in my work and have a good track record in calling corners going back to the 10/07 top in the Dow and 3/09 bottom in the Dow which i haven't bothered to talk about b/c its not verifiable.  my calls here though are.  i probably shouldn't make any predictions to be safe and conservative but thats the how one distinguishes him/her self from the crowd.  i also like the idea of helping the little guy fleece the Wall St traders who are rigging this stock mkt.  its high time we put this play into reverse. Smiley  

i also realize one cannot be so self confident that he gets hurt being cocky.  my subscribers now realize i have timelines at which i'm willing to call myself wrong.  

as far as short term, i've been very clear that i held the metals from 2005-11.  thats long in my book.  i still think they topped last year.  also "short term" depends on your definition.  for stocks i do not day trade and my calls are over an intermediate term which can last many months.  the swings btwn these periods can be dramatic so it is worth trading those time periods imo.  to each his own.

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As for my expertise in investing, I will be the first to admit that I have none.  I have observations about things which I gladly spit out, but I rarely state with any certainty what they actually mean since I don't really know.  To the extent that my own personal investment decisions have so far worked out fairly well, that is due to my having the luxury of being able to be patient and not everyone has such a luxury.

i've said before that its very important when investing in something like Bitcoin to understand how the outside world of investing works. Bitcoin does not exist in a vacuum.  numerous factors will affect its future.  its my goal to understand how those influences will work.
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My conceptions on 'money', 'currency' of various types, 'value', 'risk', etc are not something that I could just start drafting up as a thesis from a cold start, and if I did, it would not likely occur on this thread of this board.  Nor would it be particularly useful to anyone.  As the right combination of interest, time, and opportunity arises, I'll possibly produce comments about some of these things.  Or continue to do so I should say.  I've avoided some recent comments on other threads for lack of one component or another, but some of them had me shaking my head and led to comment that personal finance lessons are a poor model to help understand global monetary systems and the entities who operate within them.



everyone on this board has an opinion about how money works.  thats exactly why we're here.  you would do well to express your views in this area as we all would be willing to learn something new.
15384  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin up. on: April 04, 2012, 07:07:24 PM
silver being taken to the woodshed.  gold not so hot either.  GDX carnage.
15385  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold is Bitcoin is Gold on: April 04, 2012, 02:08:22 PM
expect a tome, lol. 
15386  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin up. on: April 04, 2012, 10:40:11 AM


One thing that is crystal clear to me is that if anyone claims to know exactly when exactly what is going to happen, run, don't walk, in the opposite direction.  This holds for Trader Dan, Jim Sinclair, and cypherdoc.

Wow, being exceptionally harsh tonite.  If you look carefully enough, you might be able to see that those of us who do technical analysis never make those claims ever.  We are humble enough to know that no one knows the future for sure but if one does their homework enough one might be able to identify a high probability situation that may go their way.

If i'm wrong i'm wrong, if i'm right i'm right.  The charts I throw up as a look back are just that; an assessment of how I've done.

There are clearly a lot of young people who don't understand investing as well as you do (cough) so the subscription service I run is an attempt to help them along.  I've said before that all I'd like to do is help my fellow bitcoiners not lose money in the rigged stock markets.  I've posted for almost a year now putting up my best opinions and analysis never asking for anything.  Its a lot of work in the end and I only decided to do the subscription service 5 days ago.

I seriously don't need the pittance I decided to charge. I like it only because it gives me affirmation that people might find my views worth listening to or that I might actually be helping them.  In that sense its been very gratifying.

seriously you should share your ideas on money with us.  Your bold statements have piqued my curiosity.
15387  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold is Bitcoin is Gold on: April 04, 2012, 03:23:13 AM
nice title.  can't wait to see your evidence.
15388  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin up. on: April 04, 2012, 03:21:21 AM
A lot of the KWN regulars including especially the most bullish were saying anything but 'up, up, up' when you supposedly made your genius call to dump gold.  There was closer to universal consensus that it was a time to expect something of a blow-off in fact.  To be fair, a lot of these same folks called the bottom of the correction to soon and to high.
on the contrary.  the GDX was ramping into a breakout in mid August early Sept and guys like Sinclair were saying that FINALLY the gold stocks were being recognized for the value they deserve and that they were going to propel the metal to extraordinary heights.  they never recognized the technical "head fake":

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I don't understand 'cycles', but nor do I understand voo-doo.  Both have their practitioners and followers, and many of latter will shell out items of value for the service of the former.  To each his own.
to insinuate a correlation btwn the two is evidence of a closed mind.

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I run across exceedingly few sources who share my understanding of money (right or wrong though it may be.)  One or two on KWN, but they don't usually get heavily into the subject.  I really cannot think of anyone on this forum. 

perhaps you should consider sharing it with us.
15389  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin up. on: April 04, 2012, 01:53:57 AM

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The following is courtesy of KingWorldNews.com:

Today legendary trader and investor Jim Sinclair told King World News the gold market has turned into a coiled spring that will be extraordinarily explosive on the upside.  Sinclair also said that central banks have been aggressively accumulating gold because it is going to part of the monetary solution.  But first, here is what Sinclair had to say about the gold market:  “The attempt to keep (the gold market) from moving higher, creates, by nature, a spring, a coil as it were in markets.  If the spirit of the gold market could have been broken, it certainly would have been broken down at the $1,500 level.  This thing is turning into a spring, into a coil, and when it goes it’s going to be something to behold on the upside.  Both in the shares and in gold itself.”
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My observation over the years is that when we have a year or so of chop, the last few months of the chop fall below the preceding trend line, then a new trend line with a greater slope comes into existence.  Looks to me like we are getting to toward the end of this latest choppy pattern.

One way or another Sinclair was, by happenstance, one of the first people in the PM space who I started paying attention to, and in spite of his 'outlandish' claims that gold would hit $1650 which most people wrote off as completely bonkers at the time.  Even if he does make a wrong call and I take a hit by listening to him it is most unlikely that it would erase more than a minor fraction of the gains which I can thank him, in part, for my realizing.

Sinclair is the guy who rode the last bull and stepped off at the top of the market in '80.  I don't know if he was as free with his information and advice at that time since I was not around, but the guy seems to have an understanding of the markets.  Does he have other motivations?  It would be foolish to ignore the possibility.  The same could be said for the provider of any financial advice however.



ask me if i listen to KWN,  answer: yes, to ALL of the interviews.  i occasionally glance at Eric Degroots posts in deference to miscreanity.  but do i agree with them? answer: NO.  why?  b/c I have a brain of my own.  i understand both the inflation AND the deflation argument and recognize that there's an end to everything.

which of those guys made the calls i did in my OP of my subscription thread?  answer: neither of them.  all they ever say is UP, UP, UP.  they are linear thinkers.  they see a line and can't help but extrapolate it to infinity.

perhaps they don't understand cycles?  perhaps they can't recognize the end of a bull?  how many ppl were talking like they are at the end of the housing cycle in 2007?  answer: alot.
15390  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin up. on: April 03, 2012, 07:48:09 PM
http://www.federalreserve.gov/monetarypolicy/fomcminutes20120313.htm

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To support a stronger economic recovery and to help ensure that inflation, over time, is at the rate most consistent with its dual mandate, the Committee expects to maintain a highly accommodative stance for monetary policy. In particular, the Committee decided today to keep the target range for the federal funds rate at 0 to 1/4 percent and currently anticipates that economic conditions--including low rates of resource utilization and a subdued outlook for inflation over the medium run--are likely to warrant exceptionally low levels for the federal funds rate at least through late 2014.

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Voting for this action: Ben Bernanke, William C. Dudley, Elizabeth Duke, Dennis P. Lockhart, Sandra Pianalto, Sarah Bloom Raskin, Daniel K. Tarullo, John C. Williams, and Janet L. Yellen.

Voting against this action: Jeffrey M. Lacker.

So 90% for more monetary inflation. Jeffrey Lacker voted against a similar statement last time for pretty much the same reason. Nothing changed, yet I'm reading articles that are saying the new FOMC minutes is new bearish news for gold? Nothing is different and 90% of the committee agree to keep rates super low.

Don't look now but i see this as a huge potential problem for your thesis:

15391  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin up. on: April 03, 2012, 07:29:27 PM
why has the # of Bitcoins for bid more than doubled @ $4.60 since it first went up the other nite?

Because they're trying to force a slow sideways correction rather than a quick selloff.  Either way, after the bears are satisfied (still a little way off IMO), we can probe 7.2 again.

LOL, sounds good to me! Wink
15392  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin up. on: April 03, 2012, 07:25:33 PM
why has the # of Bitcoins for bid more than doubled @ $4.60 since it first went up the other nite?
15393  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin up. on: April 03, 2012, 07:01:20 PM

Same thing is about to happen to Apple and soon.

Not according to this.  Oh wait...:

15394  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin up. on: April 03, 2012, 06:35:09 PM
new yearly lows in NEM:

15395  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin up. on: April 03, 2012, 06:31:21 PM
so just why is it that gold/silver have no guts w/o further QE?  is this how u want to invest; based on what Ben does?

you will soon see just how illiquid bullion can be.

my subscribers have been getting my warnings.
15396  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin up. on: April 03, 2012, 06:00:38 PM
oops
15397  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin up. on: April 03, 2012, 04:32:08 PM
get ready:

15398  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin up. on: April 03, 2012, 04:13:47 PM
LOL

sorry, one flip short.  heading down and right. Wink
15399  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin up. on: April 03, 2012, 04:07:31 PM
15400  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What would you pay for the Genesis Block? on: April 03, 2012, 06:37:57 AM
The 0.0424242 BTC is what I contributed for luck.

~Bruno~


Nah, you will be cursed forever for being too cheap. If I recall correctly, the number was more like 424242.4242 was it not?
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