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1541  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Oh the irony!!! on: July 13, 2011, 07:36:46 PM
The irony of waiting on Dwolla USD-based transactions in order to convert into Bitcoins is not lost on me.


You, good sir, have earned one hand-frosted cupcake for promoting bitcoin. Hand frosted FTW.



BTW its hand-frosted.
1542  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can bitcoin fill the void in a bank run? on: July 13, 2011, 02:49:29 AM
AHHHHH, don't lie to these people that FRN is not backed by anything. it is backed by none other than guns.

Guns don't kill people.
1543  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: USD *is* a virtual currency on: July 11, 2011, 09:58:37 PM
What's the difference of particles appearing and dissappearing in ultra-high-frequency around us, and leds on our monitors switching on and off every xx Hz ? We assign value to both, don't we.

Precisely.

Gold has been preferred traditionally over other states of mass as physical store of wealth primarily because it is a very stable element.

The properties of gold that we desire, its physical beauty, malleability, weight, corrosion-resistance, etc. are all backed by mathematics, physics and electromagnetism.

Gold has its merits. But these days, there isn't enough of it to go around when used as a general medium of exchange, and its ex-changeability is questionable (few people will accept gold as payment).

What if there were an alternative, stable store of wealth and medium of exchange worthy of the information age, stored in digital form, also backed by the physical properties of the universe?

The culmination of technology is currently the information age. Why shouldn't the culmination of currency be a an info-currency, or bit-currency (bitcoin). The internet and computer systems are now sufficiently stable and redundant that we now can be virtually assured of bitcoin surviving anything but a world-ending apocalypse.

Satoshi is a genius.
1544  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: USD *is* a virtual currency on: July 11, 2011, 07:31:26 PM
Just because transfers are done electronically doesn't make it a virtual currency.  I can buy a gold ETF, everything is electronic.  Is gold also virtual currency now?

The USD is not virtual, you can hold tangible bills if you choose.  You do not have that option with Bitcoin.  

Yes you can hold tangible bills, they are called bitbills. Google them.

No matter what you hold, both parties must agree on a the value of a currency in order to trade in it. The value is not built-in.

You are just holding a promise to pay, a debt note. That's all it is. It is only tangible because there is no way to do business by trust alone. There must be a physical exchange. Does that physical exchange have to be made of paper? No, it can be electronic as well, or it can be a signature on a contract. Electronic data is physical matter, bits of data describing a unit of exchange. We can observe the electronic data visually in software, if we wish, like the ink on a dollar bill.

The real issue is trust. Do we trust that bitcoin payments are safe? Trust, but verify, the saying goes. Paper money can be (and often is) counterfeited. So in summary, bitcoin can be a valid currency, if people accept it.
1545  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: USD *is* a virtual currency on: July 11, 2011, 06:49:42 PM

Maybe not real coins, but the government does have guns to back up their currency.  

US citizens own way, way more guns than the government. The government guns don't back up the US dollar. Government guns protect the citizens. Without us, there is nothing to protect. To destroy the US Dollar forcibly one must attack the people that stand behind it.

Is bitcoin not similarly backed by its proponents?
1546  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Unit Colour Chart on: July 11, 2011, 06:29:37 PM

The Hindu-Arabic numeral system is dead! Long live Obfuscation!

You want to replace 1500 years of mathematical expressive excellence with what?



Quiet! This is progress at work.  Cheesy
1547  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Unit Colour Chart on: July 11, 2011, 03:54:15 PM
Not sure if this scheme will catch on, but those long bitcoin decimals would be a lot more readable if clients and exchanges used some sort of marker every 3 decimal places like a space, a comma or an apostrophe. Simple and unambiguous.

Yes. This is a step in the right direction.

Another possibility:

1.1 - - 1.1
0.001  - - b.1
0.000001 - - b.b.1
0.000000001 - - b.b.b.1
1.00001 = 1.b.10
0.100099 = b.100.99
0.230001 = b.23.b.1 b.230.1
0.001100999 = b.1.1.999 b.1.100.999
0.999000000099 = b.999.b.b.99
0.464928532585 = b.464.928.532.585

I hope I didnt leave any mistakes there! Its tricky to convert, but much easier to read. It is easier to think in this format than do a conversion. Gotta put a b function on all calculators & cash registers, or we learn to convert this in our heads when doing calculations. Wow this is a tough problem. A lot of possibilities for mistakes.
1548  Economy / Goods / Re: --- FS - Sapphire Radeon HD5830 Extreme GREAT OC'ers *15 BTC/pair --- on: July 10, 2011, 10:55:45 PM
Only 8 GPU's left in stock.
1549  Economy / Speculation / Re: Comparison to Apple (AAPL) shares on: July 10, 2011, 10:15:00 PM
Rare earth metal are the only thing remotely giving returns comparable to Bitcoin in the past year. Unfortunately for REM speculators, The Japanese just found a vast supply of said metals on the ocean seabed.

Deepsea mining has to be 10x more costly than onshore extraction.

Mining difficulty is already priced in.

Price follows difficulty.

Thread successfully derailed.
1550  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Unit Colour Chart on: July 10, 2011, 08:00:29 PM
I love bitcoins.

But I don't see the average person adopting this color/name scheme for fractional bitcoins. A much simpler approach is needed. I don't know what the solution is. Obviously I could be wrong, but who, besides bitcoin enthusiasts, wants to remember seven different colors and names for amounts of bitcoins?

This is going to turn many people off bitcoins. It turns me off. This is way, way too geeky.

You know what it reminds me of? A resistor color code chart. Something only a geek or engineer would ever memorize. The average person is not an engineer. They don't want to think about bitcoins all the time. Bitcoins must be so easy to use, there is never a need to think about the process. Just click send! That's what the average person wants.
1551  Economy / Speculation / Re: Skeptical of the skeptics... on: July 10, 2011, 07:18:26 PM
that doesn't mean hyperinflation is inevitable. A deflationary death spiral is going to happen absent considerable Fed/Treasury intervention.

The majority of dollars, those held in electronic ledgers at banks, would evaporate as the fractional reserve money multiplier works in reverse. 


No, not inevitable.  But why would the Fed ever consider backing off with intervention? They know Americans will turn on them if they stop the flow of new money. Since most Americans are in debt, deflation will hurt them just as much as inflation.
1552  Economy / Speculation / Re: Skeptical of the skeptics... on: July 10, 2011, 03:40:21 AM

You remind me of that guy Camping, who recently predicted the end of the world.

99.9999% of all humanity knew Harold Camping was wrong.

I dare you to find five economic experts who agree that US economic health will improve going forward.

Also please note: if the US economy crashes, its not the end of the world, but the end of an era.
1553  Economy / Economics / Re: The Bitcoin economy needs about $100,000 a day of new money on: July 10, 2011, 02:28:08 AM
Bitcoin production is supposed to be about 7200 coins per day, which at $13.75/BTC is currently $99,000. So, right now, it takes about $100,000 a day in new money to keep the price of Bitcoins stable.

Why do you assume miners immediately cash in all their mined coins?

I run a medium-size bitcoin mining farm. Haven't sold any coins for weeks.
1554  Economy / Speculation / Re: Skeptical of the skeptics... on: July 09, 2011, 09:07:23 PM
You and your "OMG the USD is dooooomed!!!" brethren are just spreading FUD based on wishful thinking and a fundamental misunderstanding of basic economics.

Then I suppose the meaning and implication of runaway debt is completely lost to you.

US debt will not be paid off. It can't be paid off. NO AMOUNT of taxation, reasonable or otherwise, can put a dent in the US's ocean of debt.

That means a DEFAULT, an overnight trashing of the dollar's value (20-30% inflation in less than a year, it happened to the UK in 1975), large increases in gas and food price, and widespread unemployment of perhaps 30%.

Oh, and world reserve currency status? Say goodbye to it. That will be a killer blow to the USD.

This is coming within a few years at the most, and there is nothing anyone can do about it, except get out of US dollar assets.


1555  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is this a paradox? on: July 09, 2011, 03:30:21 PM

“So you think that money is the root of all evil?” said Francisco d’Anconia. “Have you ever asked what is the root of money?

I believe the original goes: "the love of money is the root of all evil." From 1 Timothy in the NKJV Bible.

So this d'Anconia guy makes a passionate "man is behind money "speech based on a misquote? Ayn Rand ought to know better.

FYI: Her character is not quoting the bible therefore there is no misquote. Smiley

Can you personally know Ayn Rand's motivations? She was famous for being anti-faith and an atheist.

Perhaps it was not her intention to misquote the bible, but 1 Timothy IS the root source of the paraphrase.

Just being analytical, money is the root of all evil is an obvious fallacy. Rand's character, d'Anconia, does not address this. Instead he goes off on a tangent about how money is a basis of morality. Which I think is as nonsensical as saying it is evil.
1556  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is this a paradox? on: July 09, 2011, 02:46:11 PM

“So you think that money is the root of all evil?” said Francisco d’Anconia. “Have you ever asked what is the root of money?

I believe the original goes: "the love of money is the root of all evil." From 1 Timothy in the NKJV Bible.

So this d'Anconia guy makes a passionate "man is behind money "speech based on a misquote? Ayn Rand ought to know better.
1557  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bye Bitcoin! on: July 09, 2011, 03:53:20 AM
Well that's it.

I'm done.

Had my life savings on this one.

So long cruel world.


So wait, is this supposed to be a sort of sick joke or a suicide note???

Wouldn't it be the most tragic story ever, Lardycake OD's on peppermint patties the night before bitcoin soars to $100?

1558  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I found the Bitcoin Founder on: July 08, 2011, 09:14:11 PM
The spergs are taking over.

You might as well come to peace with it.

Maybe you're just getting old.
1559  Other / Off-topic / Re: Zoographical list of troll types. on: July 08, 2011, 09:07:00 PM
How about:

TROLL THAT ANNOUNCES INSIDE KNOWLEDGE (BUT CAN"T NAME SPECIFICS) OF IMPENDING DOOM THAT WILL KILL BITCOIN DEADER THAN DOORNAIL.

IN ALL CAPS.
1560  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Value At The End Of 2011? on: July 08, 2011, 09:01:59 PM
$20+ by the end of July. $30-$35 at end of year. With higher spikes to $45-$50 in between.
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