...I havent opened the Winderlea from before yet....
Who tha hell drinks wine from Oregon  Lots of people, we're famous for pinot.  |
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Why would you POW change or fork when bitcoin is gaining momentum? You put everyone back to zero. Those that spent $3k on an asic in early 2018 now you want them to buy more hardware? Who does this benefit? Manufacturers, players like those who you want to dismount as adoption rate plummets. Poor chess playing.
Like wow it's nostalgic to go and play vanilla but it's never the same. Players need to do more than play, they need to compete. Like sidehack will preach (sorry for bringing you into this), design and efficiency. For us (mfb), it's price regardless of market. As manufacturers in this arena have no wholesale price. Seems communists are the greatest capitalists
(satire?).
For all us normals it's the same as always: get gear, grind, get better gear, grind. Or hash how you say. The more we bring into mining the better but then mining is a competition, where someone already wants an edge, an advantage. So a POW change? Who has the edge here? Not those who have nothing more.
Mining is math, and should stay consistent for everyone. Changing it rips decentralization form us all, at once. The playing field isn't even, nor was it ever. The thing is, it is known and that is easier to combat than the alternative.
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To those who gave me 7 merit, did you want it back yet? Asking for a friend, thank you.
It's not very clear... Are you saying if merits are reversible? In that case, the answer is: NO. Could they not post here and receive them back? honor system please. Not sure I'm worthy of such credit. |
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To those who gave me 7 merit, did you want it back yet? Asking for a friend, thank you.
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...Also, the computer genie readout seems misleading. "If we hit a block right now, I'd get:
0.019927% of the current payout
0.00250248 BTC
$16.56 (at $6618.34 BTC/USD)"
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What do you feel is "misleading" about that?  If we hit a block, at that instant, that's exactly what you'd get paid in that block. Only thing misleading is our luck right now. I havent opened the Winderlea from before yet. I suppose the right thing to do is wait? Should we take a poll? *edit to denote that our luck is awesome right now* |
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Thank you philipma1957! Rarely anyone see the truth like you after doing so much reading here! My hat to you for making the thoughtful comments. Inno is here to listen and make miners, ASIC and services better to help decentralization and break monopoly. In the past, no one beat bitmain in ASIC performance and that is big part of reason why you saw a monopoly. Now Inno makes every ASIC better in every coin to help decentralization. The only thing they did was selling under their cost. $2K miners became $500 to continue short term squeeze of competition. That is fine, we don't mind they selling under their cost. But on the other hand, you should know why they are doing this. It is no charity. Inno is the progressive force here to stay and help. We reduced our price to help, we are producing better miners every month. It is a huge amount of effort we are making, no matter making money or not, it is not for market monopoly, it is to break it. Inno is a good company with great engineers trying to be better everyday. Respect that please! BTW, if you go visit www.innosilion.com, we update our price and promotions, AB inside, no question, any SHA256 coins it can mine, we have more pools joining, Poolin is the latest one, we are doing our best to create better ASIC everyday, you can count on our commitment. $1.1k is fair price for these units, consumers always want best deal though. Not good business to sell at a loss but appreciate the competition and the diversity to our listings none the less. Been easy working with Innosilicon, we would love testing units our tech team writes talking points for inquires that occur very often. |
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who ever designed these did a huge fail.
but the boss of the company most likely does not give a shit and has his own agenda .
Talk here (mfb) has this unit being viable for an extended Q4 return, essentially banking on a bull run like LY. Where efficiency isn't necessarily desired over total hash. A scenario where miners will plug in every asic available as prices rise for profits. Making these bread winners, only problem is arrival date. Maybe they'll arrive just in time, late, early? It's all luck and speculation. Worth $2k? maybe if you're the type to find that amount in the couch. Then, people paid well over $2k for miners through march batches. Considering perspective it could be seen as a "deal". With shipping and psu for a 3400w flamethrower, this might make a mineral oil cooling set up more efficient. Who though is set up to that on a mass scale to farm with these? Not my single garage. You have no idea how surprised our team was the b2 was so far out (maybe you do). ... We may delist in a few weeks, we want to deliver a service and this may not fit our model. Specifically since we can't back up their claims due to lack of interaction to inquiries not just orders. |
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Block!!!  Happy Fifth . .. of July and 4th block of July.  |
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It was a about 5+ days when i powered down the s7 so shares are weighted but less so over time.
@aniel: you don't have to shop bitmain but you're better off running luck solely (solo) with 20gh/s of hash. $1 a year isn't worth the effort on any pool. still though you will take time to reach payout here when maybe you're luck could strike, unlikely but still fun as a hobbyist. We're not the type to turn hash away, just want you to benefit as much as possible with the hash you have.
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Oh and happy 4th of July 'murica. We're pretty lucky our neighbors put on a good show.
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Did you pay using the email they provided to you after you completed the purchase application? or was it done on their website?
I just do the marketing for mfb but from what I understand is they send BTC/BCH addresses and wire information. You pay to your preference, no need to contact them directly unless you need to. B2 is sold out though, B3 is available for Nov. |
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That would be nice since that's the only pool I actually make money off too.
Now I imagine using -ck's solo pool more like two player NES Contra. Just the imaging coming to mind, not sure why. Small question please (I have some trouble with translation sorry,be simple in the answer ;-) )
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Solo mine if you don't have much hash. Now is the time to buy asics, prices dropped on most antminer but the s9i and canaan did another rare(er) price drop as well. |
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What a day! All I need now is to hit a block on the solo pool |
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Keep missing the party, oh well. Thank you everyone!!
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Seems like 110PH is a good sign this pool is growing. I just added 3 741s and 3 s9i (14T) to the pool. The S9i miners just came yesterday, they seem much quieter than the old S9 models. All 6 miners together are at 79db.
Welcome, pool is been building. From about 15 PH or so in March to what you see now. How do I check the progress of the current block we are working on?
Not sure how to calculate luck, but there is ckpool.org and Computer Genie a few pages back set up a web page to display info when you input your address. I'm sure the rock stars here will chime later. |
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Kind of with NotFuzzyWarm on this. Overclocking a space heater? Seems like a good idea. ..
Really though, it would be nice to have voltage adjustment and use it. I get modding but unless you got a cheap unit or decent sized mine I wouldn't play around too much for extra hash during an off quarter. Rather not spend time troubleshooting and dissembling. Still, aren't the "standard" UI options selectable when you inspect the page and display them? And why run someone else's firmware?
Glad it's working though, enjoy.
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Deleting a moderator's post was not smart and I've taken the liberty of correcting their post for them.
I've also taken the liberty of replacing the link to their website with a link to the Scam Accusations thread. My god, I spit up my beer reading this. |
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I find this hashrate and electrical consumption asterisk curious. * It could operate as the same conditions as GMO miner B2.
And then on the B3 page there's this. Operating Environment
Temperature: 0°C to 30°C
Humidity: 30% to 80% RH, prevent condensation
Altitude: Below 2,000m
I wonder if the phrasing is a translation error? "Could operate as the same conditions" referring to environment? Or maybe that it can be down clocked to hit b2 hash/efficiencies? Still not instilling confidence in this unit. We've tried to get testing units form them for the b2 and now their b3, zero service outside automated reply's. I guess everyone waits till November. . .. |
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It looked like two fans back to back on each end, but it could be just one extra-super-duper fan. For the kind of cooling that would be infinitely easier to achieve from, say, an S4-sized housing. And also quite a bit less susceptible to dust. A lot of people don't consider just how much fan power draw, and chip-level temperatures, can hurt machine-level efficiency.
A longer housing for the same power would help with per-chip power dissipation, which in general means lower chip temperatures so easier cooling and longer expected lifetime. However, don't forget that the last chips in the line are being cooled by air that's already gone over everything ahead. This is a lot of why Spondoolies' 3.5KW 2U rack miners were impossible to run at rated speeds, and let's not forget the AM Prisma debacle. All things being equal, a short wide miner will always cool more effectively than a long narrow one.
MFB, if you're using a 135-chip S7, you can also undervolt for improved efficiency.
You're correct got a closer look, two fans attached. Seem incredibly counter intuitive to blow into another fan to cool. I imagine manufacturers don't want to disrupt spacing for hardware on mid to large scale operations. Like GMO who sells hosting or hash power (?) makes it easier for them specifically to insert new machine in place of old. Where I, at home wouldn't matter as my set up is much more malleable. I suppose a fan hanging off a shelf is much better than part of the housing. Just feels off as a whole and hard to take GMO seriously without efficiencies and design function. My first view was a literal wft moment. I got word we're going to list, as B2 did well for us but efficiencies were better. Nov is forever time like philipma said so we'll see. Sidehack, I am brushing up on a couple of your threads on the s7. I plan solo mine unless market rises, or I have a friend who may host at their work for free power. |
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Yeah no, that's a pretty extreme fire hazard. If it requires 4 fans to keep cool, it should be in a box twice the size. Ask any mining datacenter in the world, they'll all tell you "keeping a miner from bursting into flames" matters quite a bit more than "being tiny".
Why are people so addicted to the S7 size/cooling concept that they'd try and shoehorn 2-3.5KW into what's already not a great plan for 1.5KW?
4 fans? Not just wider 120mm? At least the s9 is longer than the s7. still though I can't think of augment to support GMO thoughts on this. @philipma I had been bringing an s7 and down clocking to heat the house and I would love to see more efforts in regard to efficiencies. |
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