A shill, also called a plant or a stooge, is a person who publicly helps or gives credibility to a person or organization without disclosing that they have a close relationship with the person or organization. Whether or not a person is a shill is an objective matter of fact. There's nothing subjective about it.
The dictionary definition is out of date with respect to the "without disclosing close relationship" clause. The modern legally standing definition of shill is something like: Card game shill: An employee engaged and financed by the licensee as a player for the purpose of starting and/or maintaining a sufficient number of players in a card game.
I quote NGCB because their definitions and rulings are considered authoritative even far away from Nevada, practically everywhere with common law legal system. Shilling (both openly and surreptitiously) is widely used in the various branches of the entertainment industry. Not only gaming (also called gambling) but also e.g. sales of equipment to musicians or filmmakers. Again the issue with modern shilling is that one can do shilling in the open: with the disclosure of close relationship. Could anyone kindly quote this entire reply for posterity? Thanks. We are not talking about card game shilling. |
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A list can't be subjective either. A person either is a shill or he/she is not a shill. It is not an opinion others have of him/her. For that to be determined you need very convincing proof. If you call it a list of people whose opinion you don't like or who agrees with people whose opinion you don't like, then the absurdity of it would be much more obvious, but it would also be more honest.
Of course it can be subjective. Unless evidence presented, I could see someone as a shill while some other person might not see them that way (thus subjective). So I could start an "Analysis and list of top small block murderers and rapists" thread and that'll be ok because it's subjective? Unless evidence is presented, I could see Lauda as a murderer. You mean like that? Yeah! Let's get back to our roots! Back to before roman law started poisoning our minds with their "presumption of innocence" and all that "rational" stuff! |
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A list can't be subjective either. A person either is a shill or he/she is not a shill. It is not an opinion others have of him/her. For that to be determined you need very convincing proof. If you call it a list of people whose opinion you don't like or who agrees with people whose opinion you don't like, then the absurdity of it would be much more obvious, but it would also be more honest.
Of course it can be subjective. Unless evidence presented, I could see someone as a shill while some other person might not see them that way (thus subjective). So I could start an "Analysis and list of top small block murderers and rapists" thread and that'll be ok because it's subjective? A shill is a very specific phenomenon. Bitcoin has a lot of interconnected actors with loyalties and financial interests which will colour their reasoning with regards to contentious issues. Add finance nerds, computer nerds and conspiracy theory nutters into the mix and you have one very spicy soup. Did you know that "conspiracy theory nutters" is a programmed unconscious euphemism for "people who haven't lost the ability to think for themselves due to having been able to resist the disempowering paradigm of equating truth with authoritativeness"? Yeah, I've heard that from conspiracy theory nutters. When I use the term it just means "conspiracy theory nutters". Can't wait to see the new X-files movie tho. |
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You don't? Lets see, can you name a few of them?
Attempting to compile a list of shills is just one of the various examples of shitty debate floating about. It's really hard for people not to get sucked into this, but my advice would be to end that line of inquiry right now. I'm not interested in who may or may not be a shill. Arguments on merit will always rise above those that are pure propaganda. Thank you for answering this for me. While it might be easier for me to "make a list of shills" for people related to XT/Classic/BU because I'm on the other side of the debate, I would rather not do it for either side. What does anyone get from my (subjective) list of shills for any side? Does this solve the scaleability problem? Let us not slide in this false argument for there would be no such thing as shills for the BITCOIN camp as XT/BU/Classic and all the crooks within the ecosystem are the one exclusively using proselyte tactics and invading social media to promote their scam. Bitcoin works. Status Quo is not about some shills. Core are to be respected for their work, and Blockstream are welcome to innovate (whilst not denaturing bitcoin obviously). Anyhow, debunking (and insulting, for sometimes it just feels good) the socialist wannabes that spew their constant hate and political nonsense is not shilling but merely a natural response against those vile USGtrolls using Hegelian dialectics and raising the malicious stupidity of the herd, eg. Malpidity to try to instigate some governance coup whilst forking the shit of our sovereignty/money. Let's look past the fact that you have no clue what Hegelian dialectics is and why it's a very random point to make in this situation. Let's look at what it says in the ... blog: "Activists trained in methods derived from this tradition can be counted on to reliably attack by framing both poles of the debate they want to have as movements."
The people who's most forcefully introduced and perpetuated this framing of movements are in large part hdbuck, iCEBREAKER and brg444. In your defence I'd say I seriously doubt it was due to a conspiracy whose goal was to apply "Hegelian dialectics" to "attack" Bitcoin on behalf of the USG. You are far-right bullies and that's what you do. |
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You don't? Lets see, can you name a few of them?
Attempting to compile a list of shills is just one of the various examples of shitty debate floating about. It's really hard for people not to get sucked into this, but my advice would be to end that line of inquiry right now. I'm not interested in who may or may not be a shill. Arguments on merit will always rise above those that are pure propaganda. Thank you for answering this for me. While it might be easier for me to "make a list of shills" for people related to XT/Classic/BU because I'm on the other side of the debate, I would rather not do it for either side. What does anyone get from my (subjective) list of shills for any side? Does this solve the scaleability problem? A list can't be subjective either. A person either is a shill or he/she is not a shill. It is not an opinion others have of him/her. For that to be determined you need very convincing proof. If you call it a list of people whose opinion you don't like or who agrees with people whose opinion you don't like, then the absurdity of it would be much more obvious, but it would also be more honest. Edit: If this thread was called "Analysis and list of top big blocks proponents" that would be far less objectionable. |
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A shill is a very specific phenomenon. Bitcoin has a lot of interconnected actors with loyalties and financial interests which will colour their reasoning with regards to contentious issues. Add finance nerds, computer nerds and conspiracy theory nutters into the mix and you have one very spicy soup.
I am certain that very, very few in this forum are purposefully hiding their affiliations in order to thunder in the forums to manipulate the mood.
Besides, it shouldn't matter. Most engaged in this debate have enough understanding of the issues and are stubborn enough to make up their own minds.
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Maybe, those issues are behind Ethereum, but several aspects of ethereum seem to have its own issues in regards to pump and dump sense and various small community centralization like dynamics.
You mean like a single company stonewalling a simple upgrade to tx capacity... directly and negatively affecting its competitiveness against growing alternatives? Perhaps you should stop insulting your betters like you did to mmitech earlier and start thinking about these issues. Stop lying and spreading lies. People like you have totally poisoned the debate to take it out of the realm of technical into the personal attacks, smears and political, which of course was your disgusting intention all along. This the text fatman omitted without explanation. blblablabla This is the gif Marcus omitted without explanation.  The links to the original posts are at the top of the quotes. Knock yourselves out. |
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Maybe, those issues are behind Ethereum, but several aspects of ethereum seem to have its own issues in regards to pump and dump sense and various small community centralization like dynamics.
You mean like a single company stonewalling a simple upgrade to tx capacity... directly and negatively affecting its competitiveness against growing alternatives? Perhaps you should stop insulting your betters like you did to mmitech earlier and start thinking about these issues. Stop lying and spreading lies. People like you have totally poisoned the debate to take it out of the realm of technical into the personal attacks, smears and political, which of course was your disgusting intention all along. |
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The main part tho was that Googles searches were much better than AskJeeves and Altavista. Their search algo was far superior. People found what they were looking for.
By that reckoning [url =http://www.persiankitty.com/]this[/url] should have taken over the world!!   If there was any point to what I wrote I guess it would be that the analogy breaks at some point. We might have to think for ourselves. (Crap! Where's that anti-spyware!?!?!!?!!) (Edit: Only 628 threats detected, I guess it was soft porn then.) You know, I cant remember the actual point I switched to google from AltaVista, despite having convinced myself that I never would. Funny, no matter how entrenched we think we are, we are liableto change in a heartbeat. Bitcoin core could learn that lesson. I removed the link  - if people wish to discover how we found porn in 1994 then they can type it themselves... ( and learn how we got rid of spyware too!) Sorry for your spyware troubles...  I guess I'm more of a whore. I switched after the first try. It was sooo much better. I tried switching back after Google became a verb, but it only lasted 20 seconds. |
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The main part tho was that Googles searches were much better than AskJeeves and Altavista. Their search algo was far superior. People found what they were looking for.
By that reckoning [url =http://www.persiankitty.com/]this[/url] should have taken over the world!! If there was any point to what I wrote I guess it would be that the analogy breaks at some point. We might have to think for ourselves. (Crap! Where's that anti-spyware!?!?!!?!!) (Edit: Only 628 threats detected, I guess it was soft porn then.) |
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Or in your business language: We can give away our product for free, said no successful business ever.
... Depends on what you mean by "for free" :- There's Google... you pay google by advertisement maybe we can put some advertisements on every TXs "sponsored by Coca-Cola" Google didn't start out by charging for searches, email, etc. Had zero ad revenues because zero ads. I guess Google should have started out by charging for its services, would have been a multi-gazillion-dollar co. by now. Part of why Google is so popular is because it did absolutely zero ads during their first startup, and this lead to everyone using it to recommend Google over other search engines, as there were barely any ads. And it's pretty much the same way now. The ads are very non-intrusive, and this is what is making them so much money. I think Google migght only be the size of Bing or Yahoo if they started with ads, and there would most likely also be a more distributed market share. The main part tho was that Googles searches were much better than AskJeeves and Altavista. Their search algo was far superior. People found what they were looking for. |
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If anything, it shows most of the transactions are bogus, conducted just to bloat the blockchain or be used as a "factoid" that "ohhh blocks are full, the mempool is full" bullshit propaganda.
You can make a quantity analysis or a quality analysis.
The quality analysis of the txs is very revealing of what is going on right now. The costs involved to process txs are extremely low at 4 cents for first block inclusion and yet floods of transactions that aren't seemingly in any hurry, are queued up to be processed for zero / near-zero cost. Why?
Bitcoin Magazine on Wences Casares:
"The Argentinian-born entrepreneur has been able to create one of the most well-capitalized companies in the space, and he was able to mystify the likes of Dick Costolo, Marc Andreessen, Reid Hoffman and other Silicon Valley giants by transferring roughly $250,000 worth of bitcoin between multiple smartphones within a matter of minutes. "That was back when Bitcoin was worth a fraction of what it's worth now. How do you think that party trick looks like today? Do you think it's of no value? |
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tldr 5 million BTC did not move. Someone with 10k BTC moved it 500 times.
Seems like high volume spam. Instead of spamming the blockchain with dust, now we have XXXX btc moving back and forth, for the lolz, also creating meaningless "output" spikes. In the meantime: (cointape.com) The fastest and cheapest transaction fee is currently 30 satoshis/byte, shown in green at the top.
For the median transaction size of 369 bytes, this results in a fee of 11,070 satoshis (=0.04$ USD for first block inclusion).And that with the mempool having a 43 mb backlog. Obviously those moving coins for the lolz to say "ohhh the blocks are full", "the mempool is full", aren't in any rush to pay - they are just clogging the system with spam as cheaply as they can get away with it. Yeah, looks like we need to increase block size limit. |
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RIP Ripple  Good riddance, I say! |
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I think the question everyone has been asking is, why are you advocating for PoW changes that delete your own company? Bizarre. Can we take it as granted, that there will be no SP50? It's a real pity watching! Looks like they merged with a company as bankrupt as themselves. I guess Guy feels the Bitcoin community needs to be punished. |
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Hi there dudes and dudettes! Ethereum isn't ready to absorb a lot of value yet. At least according to the dev team.  Beware of Mr.Pumperitis. His enthusiasm for this project might be coloured by his ability to rape the shit out of it. Check every claim he makes before acting on them. Soon he'll go and rape another alt. |
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Vitalik Buterin, the developer and co-founder of crypto 2.0 platform Ethereum and co-founder of Bitcoin Magazine, has received the award at the WTN’s 2014 summit held at the Time & Life building in New York City and joins now the illustrious circle of recipients nominated by the World Technology Network each year. The event has been organized together with Fortune and Time. Besides, Buterin has been involved in multiple crypto projects over the years, including KryptoKit and Dark Wallet. Furthermore, this is not the first time the youthful developer has been rewarded for his efforts: in July this year Buterin benefitted a US$100,000 maintenance grant from Peter Thiel, PayPal co-founder and venture capitalist, which allow him to further progress in his start-up projects, including Ethereum. Multiple prominent industry leaders and companies have received World Technology Awards since the turn of the century, including the likes of Pinterest, Tesla, Skype, Apple, IBM, Amazon and other individuals and organizations that have made their mark in the world of technology. Vitalik Buterin was the only big name in the digital currency industry to win an award at this year’s WTN event.
well done m8 Smiley
hahahahaha sure it is funny how the likes of Mr. Pumperitis ... likes to continuously pump alts in this bitcoin thread, including Ethereum... and it is also funny how some big industries will also pump alts, to some extent, in order to create impressions of competition with bitcoin... when bitcoin remains the main game in town... and ethereum, if it becomes a contender, is years away from bitcoin... .. will be interesting to see if ethereum is still being pumped in a couple of years... and if it catches up to bitcoin in any ways.. including the computing power behind bitcoin. dude this isnt a pump...its a realization...an awakening of the crypto masses, all of us have realized btc is not in capable hands anymore. Many smart traders saw this coming months ago(some even yrs ago), if btc fails what should we do...go to fiat or another coin??. crypto isnt dying ,its evolving  A coin that does not have the issues btc is having..and if it does have issues in the future "who would fix it"? people trust VB more than any btc future dev , its that simple Ethereum isn't ready to absorb a lot of value yet. At least according to the dev team. |
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We should move more up if the eth bubble is deflating.
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By all means, avoid antpool if you want, but if you want to mine with someone who doesn't run around with his head up his ass you're much better off with Bitminter.
Who has a history of over 2% empty blocks ... when I brought it up with him a couple of years ago, he "blamed" bitcoin ... ... ... Sure, and he's a nice guy who cares about the Bitcoin network. If you care about miner centralization he's a very good choice. So ... ... ... again, in case shit: are you going to support Bitcoin Classic or are you going to GPU mine like it's 1999 2012? |
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the battle of the blockchains That is brilliantly clever. Suddenly the R3 project makes a whole more lot of sense. |
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