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15641  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 20, 2019, 12:29:58 AM

Afri was the lead Eth dev for Parity and an important part of the Constantinople fork.  Quitting a couple of days before the hard fork is not a vote of confidence, especially considering the fork has been put off twice already due to bugs being discovered.  

ETH has another hardfork scheduled in the coming days?
15642  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 20, 2019, 12:26:08 AM
Take that Vitalik!



Google knows that there's only one coin that's here to rule - "BTCitcoin"!

Does anyone have a link to the actual tweet?  I could not find it on Vitalik's stream of tweets.   I saw it in other locations as a picture, so it could b a fake, right?  or Deleted? Or just me?
15643  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 20, 2019, 12:10:51 AM
As much as I agree BCH is still a top 10 coin with over $500m in daily trading volume, don't act like it is completely worthless. Shocked

Oh my!!!!!!!

You trying to NOT win WO thread friends, angel55?  Except maybe jbreher, and some shill/trolls.

 Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
15644  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 19, 2019, 11:58:14 PM
can anyone dig out a prediction that beats this one in accuracy and efficiency? found this gem in a 2013 price poll.

17.7.2017, 17:17:17 Uhr: 17.423,13 € bzw 26.861,24 USD (1 Euro = 1,5417 USD)

the guy made only one post ever, predicted a 2017 price of €17.423 while in reality price went to €16.457 in 2017.

missed it by 5%  Shocked

Isn't it the stop clock is correct twice a day phenomenon?  If you look at any BTC price prediction thread, you are going to find price predictions all over the map, and of course, there are going to be a few that are really close to what actually ends up happening.. but I doubt the fact that the close to correct predictions getting their predictions correct reasonably infers that the person(s) predicting knew anything concrete about the BTC price future at that particular time.

if those correct predictions are so abundant please quote them in case you come across some. and yes, it is more luck than anything. but still....

Hahahahahaha

It appears that we agree regarding the luckiness aspect, 600watt (aka .6kw as attributable to d_eddie), good ole buddy.

Therefore, I am not going to look research further into the "abundance" (or non-abundance) of correct predictions matter.    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy    Tongue
15645  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 19, 2019, 11:53:52 PM

Even if you don't like the guy, you might not want to get that intimate with his smirking image.   Wink
15646  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 19, 2019, 11:43:48 PM
LOL notice the news anchor.

She is relating bitcoin price up with JP Morgan recent shitcoin launching. LOL

https://twitter.com/CNBCFuturesNow/status/1097937905228615681/video/1

Who the fuck gave her the JOB? And who are these fat pigs?

Settle down Pamoldar.

Clips like these are just within the normal mainstream types of ambiguous bitcoin commentary, including sometimes questionable attempts at causal connections (if we are considering the mention of the JPMorgan coin). 
15647  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 19, 2019, 10:48:19 PM

@jjg. Don't take this the  Wrong way but ive found you a new avatar


I have only had three avatars to date, so not very likely that I would change my avatar outside of very compelling circumstances, and what you have presented is far from compelling.

1) dancer avatar
2) dancer avatar on a hat
3) dancer avatar on a hat with transparent background

The avatar you presented, actually, looks like it could be considered as a bitcoinPsycho avatar, perhaps if you could fit such avatar variation on a hat?  I would not try to take such avatar from you.   Wink Wink
15648  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 19, 2019, 10:35:35 PM
Probably because ETH is moving from a POW (proof of work) to a PoS (proof of stake) consensus algorithm with a minimum of 32 ETH required to stake, and a lot of people are buying it at these low prices so that they can start staking soon

This has been said for forever, still nothing. I doubt anything will change.

LOL.
POW is where workers rule.
POS is where rent seekers rule.
You can never create sustainable economy where rent seekers rule!
Ethereum was created as a coin of the people that don't understand monetary theory by the people that don't understand monetary theory for the people that don't understand monetary theory!

In other words, POS and ethereum is/are a ponzi scheme...

Can make a lot of money, as long as you are in early...  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Personally, I am not interested in playing such a game, but there is about 99% of the world's population that has not yet been tapped, and plenty of them would like to attempt to get rich quick and don't mind gambling to attempt such richness, especially if they don't know what they do not know.
15649  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 19, 2019, 10:24:43 PM
Probably because ETH is moving from a POW (proof of work) to a PoS (proof of stake) consensus algorithm with a minimum of 32 ETH required to stake, and a lot of people are buying it at these low prices so that they can start staking soon

Yeah right... believe it when we see it.  Those buying into an actual POW to POS seeming ponzi scheme transition are dumb-ass-fucks to actually conjecture that POW to POS will actually: 1) take place and 2) if it does take place without some major additional scam (smoke and mirrors) hiccup(s).
15650  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 19, 2019, 10:20:13 PM
Trading volume for the last 24 hours is the highest in the last 10 months : more than 10 Billions.

Why the fuck do people still buy Ethereum? I don't understand.
,
It is proven it doesn't have any magical solution to its L1 scalability and also nobody's using its dapps neither. So why would anybody want that piece of shit?

$5b worth of eth is traded in the last 24h. What the fuck...

*at least they are not buying bcash, that's a relief.

They buy it so that they can pump shitcoins and scams, which is a use case in and of itself that causes speculation regarding how many and how much shit can be built on top of other shit, which causes various network effects.  In the long (perhaps 50 years) or medium (perhaps 5-10 years), the market is going to realize how shitty the whole ETH foundation is (including the fact that it is insecure of both centralization and also in terms of the shenanigans that are built on such centralization - which includes a fiat kind of set of monetary policies that they don't openly admit).  

I remain somewhat surprised regarding the actual fact that some more serious projects are actually building on ETH - which is going to cause the scam to continue for a decently long time - absent some real major issue that cannot be short-to-medium term covered up.

In other words, it seems pie in the sky to be wishing on the short term demise of ETH, even though I am in the same camp in which I am not going to put much if any of my actual value into such shescamicans.
15651  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 19, 2019, 08:48:19 PM
just do it. every WO hat should run a lightning node.

I was seriously considering proposing a "WO Lightning Channel Crew" thread - discuss making public and private channels between ourselves. Discuss game theory, etc.

Ultimately recognized it would not be possible to do so without breaking OpSec due to needing to expose an IP. Not willing to risk that, at this time.

I don't use TOR for performance reasons.

If you become a "trusted (LOL)" Guard Node then I think your performance will be just fine on the tor network.
Is this the start of a bull run to $100k or a fake one?

It is probably the latter but who knows... this is bitcoin. Anything can happen.


Always supportive for an instant 100K run Grin

I'd go for the realistic 10k even by next month or forward. I guess we are long way to go for a $100k, but supportive to see that in my life and get rich yeah!!!

How long are you planning (expecting) to live?
15652  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 19, 2019, 08:28:26 PM
Footage of Baby Bull Market growing stronger. Cheesy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quWiDiowUi0

@this point its just market.... put bull in front when the bearish types of this thread are convinced Roll Eyes

What kind of bottle Will I pop when majormax says BULLmarket confirmed Smiley

I hate to attempt to speak for majormax (but I have no morals.. hahahahahaha).... Anyhow, I would expect that majormax is going to need BTC prices to go above $5k for a while and perhaps even $6k before he is going to be willing to call the bear market as "over"...  Another scenario that might allow for calling the end to the bear market would be relatively flat BTC prices for about a year.. without any new bottom below $3,122.. then maybe that could be enough.. but then we have nearly 9 more months for that kind of alternative scenario to play out... Would be nice to get a majormax update, but I suspect it is WAAAAY too soon to be asserting end of the bear market from his perspective.
15653  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 19, 2019, 08:23:25 PM
Going to break 4k, are we?

Didn't we already do that a month or so ago?
I fail to see the wow factor in that, just normal volatility.
It's because we're showing more evidence of it reversing.

Nah, it's too early for that, we have several more months sideways to look forward to.
I'll be glad if I'm wrong, but I'm probably not.

I would say you are both right and wrong Wink

We have bottomed and yes we have several more months of sideways.

pish tosh

I would say you are both right and wrong.

You are right about the sideways.

But there's plenty of room yet for a stab down to the dark side.

I'd even prefer it that way.

I'll bet you a litecoin?

I will take it if Hairy won't.

I will wager 1 LTC we have already seen the bottom of this bear market.  That is, it will not go lower than 3122.

Suggest period of wager is until Dec 31 2019, or we go over 7500 on Stamp in USD (or under 3122) - whichever is sooner?

Edited for clarity.

I will also take that bet, if those terms are accepted by Mr V8.

By the way, Isn't the phrase in the movie "the last of the interceptors" or something like that?
Haven't seen it since the 80s but that's my memory of it. Gonna check the internet for that now.

@Arriemoller  Are you taking the bet with Hairy? or with kurious or both?
15654  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 19, 2019, 08:16:34 PM


What is this supposed to mean?
15655  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 19, 2019, 08:14:28 PM
can anyone dig out a prediction that beats this one in accuracy and efficiency? found this gem in a 2013 price poll.

17.7.2017, 17:17:17 Uhr: 17.423,13 € bzw 26.861,24 USD (1 Euro = 1,5417 USD)

the guy made only one post ever, predicted a 2017 price of €17.423 while in reality price went to €16.457 in 2017.

missed it by 5%  Shocked

Isn't it the stop clock is correct twice a day phenomenon?  If you look at any BTC price prediction thread, you are going to find price predictions all over the map, and of course, there are going to be a few that are really close to what actually ends up happening.. but I doubt the fact that the close to correct predictions getting their predictions correct reasonably infers that the person(s) predicting knew anything concrete about the BTC price future at that particular time.
15656  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 19, 2019, 08:05:55 PM
Going to break 4k, are we?

Didn't we already do that a month or so ago?
I fail to see the wow factor in that, just normal volatility.
It's because we're showing more evidence of it reversing.

Nah, it's too early for that, we have several more months sideways to look forward to.
I'll be glad if I'm wrong, but I'm probably not.

I would say you are both right and wrong Wink

We have bottomed and yes we have several more months of sideways.

pish tosh

I would say you are both right and wrong.

You are right about the sideways.

But there's plenty of room yet for a stab down to the dark side.

I'd even prefer it that way.

I'll bet you a litecoin?

I will take it if Hairy won't.

I will wager 1 LTC we have already seen the bottom of this bear market.  That is, it will not go lower than 3122.

Suggest period of wager is until Dec 31 2019, or we go over 7500 on Stamp in USD (or under 3122) - whichever is sooner?

Edited for clarity.

I will take the bet of 1 LTC that the bottom was $3122 on above terms or whatever else makes sense!

Great!!!  Love to see a nice friendly bet, and perhaps even nicer to be betting 1 LTC...

Who gives a shit about LTC whether you win one or you lose one... so no BIG deal, either way, but enough of a stake in the bet to keep interest to see what comes first.  December 31, 2019, below $3,122 or above $7,500.  Three possible events to resolve who will be the winner. 

15657  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 19, 2019, 07:35:17 PM
the localbitcoin spike for the USD market was a flaw Sad

this is how it looks today:



I will say that I had a bit of a spike in number of people contacting me from localbitcoins in the past few days.. but who knows?  Too short of a period and could be anecdotal aberrations, especially since I am in southern california.  

Yesterday, I did a transaction in the $500 to $1k range, and the guy attempted to slip me a phony $100.  We were in a public place, and I think that he was relying on the fact that sometimes it can be difficult (or uncomfortable) to attempt to examine the bills very closely in public places.  I do examine the old $100s (and the $50s), and in that case, I saw that the embedded small line of vertical numbers on one of his $100s were not there.  Kind of like a blur on the bill.  

I told him that "I cannot accept this one", and initially, he just said o.k. no problem, no problem.. as if he already expected such.  Then as he was exchanging the bad $100 out for a newer printed bill, he asked me what was wrong with the bill.  I told him that the number on the side was not there.  He attempted to proclaim that the bill was good and the number was merely blurred.  I told him that "it does not work like that," and he looked at the bill one more time by holding it up and just put the bill away without saying anything further to attempt to defend that bad bill.

I think that he was a bit embarrassed (probably by getting caught rather than by attempting to pass a bad $100 to me).. and usually buyers will linger around a bit after the transaction has been sent, but he quickly left the scene within seconds of my hitting "send" and seeing a "pending" was showing on my end.   Cheesy Cheesy
15658  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 19, 2019, 07:22:58 PM
Analyst Mati Greenspan from eToro points to a positive correlation between popular cryptocurrencies and BTC. In some cases, the coefficient reaches 0.8, which is a lot. From this it follows that the bearish trend is still not in a hurry to end. Cry



I am currently thinking that this particular price spike could get into the close to $5k arena, and still NOT be out of the range of threatening new bottoms.  Of course, the longer that BTC prices stay above $3,500, the more difficult it is going to become to make a lower low.  Would not be unreasonable to take a month or two before seeing a spike in one direction or another.. even if we might end up getting some ongoing gradual movement up to $5k-ish in the shorter term.

And, yes some of the attempt at analysis from that chart shows that various alt coins pursuers have not been demoralized.  I remain unsure about whether a demoralization needs to be a condition precedent before BTC prices could move up, but I do understand that certain signs that demoralization seems insufficient in various shitty (little to no value) alt projects is going to continue to create a decent amount of incentive for bearwhales to attempt to wring out a bit more of that value.. whether such bearwhales will be successful or not at wringing out shit value still remains to be seen in the coming months - and perhaps longer.
15659  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 19, 2019, 07:12:41 PM
Sunglasses would look nice on this avatar.. even though maybe a bit difficult to see... like those sunglasses in sample 3.
Yes, I think they would match Rocket.

 Like this?



Avatar-sized




Personally, I like the "with sunglasses" better, but I might be a minority in terms of my aesthetics.

Of course, choice would be for StartupAnalyst ... and only a few more points away...  Shocked
+1 WO`s Merit. I thank you for taking part in creating the perfect hat for me. Roll Eyes
  In sunglasses he looks much more attractive. Cool

. .exactly attractive, and you cannot see the bags under his eyes, too.  hahahahaha.  Therefore, looks tougher.
15660  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 19, 2019, 07:08:27 PM
The next 24 hours are critical as always. If we keep the momentum, a breakout above 4K  is possible. This will comfirm that we are in a bull market. Longs are pretty high and shorts are low. The support down to $3K is double than the previous 2 weeks - in BFX went from 6K to 11.2K BTC. We didn't have a rise this week, so a breakout is more probable than a long squeeze.  We shall see.

OK, I don't want to brag with my trading skills, but this was a precise hit! Btw, I always like to watch BFX price - it is more bullish than Bearstamp. And we just broke 4K on BFX!!!
They're always $100+ aren't they fake news and a risky exchange to use?

Of course they are risky. I trust only kraken and CB for fiat withrawals. But the fact is that BFX starts almost all pumps and it is more fun to watch than the dull Bearstamp.

We don't watch Bitstamp because of the "fun" or the "no fun," but instead for a desire to attempt to stay in the real world rather than in fantasylandia.

I mean if the rate is real and you can actualy sell BTC at that price why it's a fantasy?

Because you can't sell it for REAL USD that you can properly withdraw to your bank account.

Largely, Bitstamp has been the industry Bitcoin price barometer since about 2013 - and likely it was GOX before that (even though GOX had shenanigans going on during that time frame that became more apparent in early 2014).  Of course, over the years, there has been some efforts to use other exchanges as BTC price barometers, such as chinese exchanges and specifically bitfinex and some indexes, but bitstamp has remained dominant in its bitcoin price barometerability.

At some point, this could change, and surely having an index of exchanges could be a better reflection or bitstamp could fall from its grace due to changes that sometimes could occur as a result of changes in ownership.. and so far, I don't see any reason to dethrone bitstamp from its btc price barometer status.

Yes, prices are real on various other exchanges in the sense that you can exchange at those deviant from bitstamp rates and sometimes you might be able to foresee some short term BTC price movement from other exchanges and also comparing their prices to bitstamp including extent to which they are deviating... yet none of the attempts to engage in cave allegory practices takes away from seeming bitstamp's ongoing ability to serve as a more reliable and reality based BTC price and price direction indicator.
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