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IMO DGEX can ask for all the fees he likes. People can choose not to do business there, and in the end that works out due to market movements.
It's the no prior warning to shutting down the logins AND THEN asking for fees that rubs me the wrong way.
That's like locking a customer in a store and refusing to let him out without payment.
That isn't done, or even legal in any scenario.
I would also advise, in the strongest way possible, to release the people who had stored money without fees during a grace period, and then resume business with fees.
I have no problems with the fees per se. That's DGEX's right as a business. Offering people no choice what to do with the funds they have deposited in good faith is a different matter.
I'm pretty sure it isn't legal.
Edit: taking my further comments to the forum Trade section from here.
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I just heard from klee!
There is hope yet. Just need a few more founders and I will be able to continue.
James
P.S. peercover no fees for deposit, withdrawal (automatic) or trade. Model is to cover costs from forging
This made me happy  |
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3.2% for BTC and 1.4% for NXT whitdrawal fee?
Fine with me. Bye bye Dgex.
Why a percentage? I'm sure there must be a way to work with a fixed fee. |
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Unfortunately due to the lack of support from the founders, with the exception of aldrin, I am forced to say goodbye.
I have worked through my vacation to come up with a strategic plan for NXT to get to 0.01 BTC and beyond. When the security issue came up, I debated with CfB who was stuck on "its impossible to add second layer of security because NXT is not centralized" to "API v2 will support second layer of security" Doesn't anybody see the significance of this?
I have pointed out the flaws in the addressing, came up with a solution, but not even acknowledgement from jean-luc and a few days later the same problem comes up again.
I have to make a living and I was willing to use up all my savings for living expenses while I worked fulltime on NXT. All I asked for was some incentive options, got only two responses. The more promising one was a "I will wait and see".
This lack of support does not give me the confidence to use up all my savings and I do have to make a living. I was one week late in discovering NXT, due to this I couldn't get enough to be set for life even if it does go up tenfold. Not sure if I will even be able to keep up with this thread, but I will try.
Goodbye NXT, I wish you luck in dealing with the competitors, bugs, usability issues, etc. without a strategic plan or anybody who is working on implementing the plan.
James
James, I personally would be sad to see you go. From my own "regular' job, I know the frustration of seeing problems looming up in the future and not getting any response. I would ask you to at least consider taking a back seat for the moment, being a bit less "invested", because that can be very véry tiring (I know) when you want to move quickly on a front that doesn't have priority for other people. You have things to offer, and I'd hate to see that go. |
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Can we figure something out to support these things, so people who are actually promoting Nxt in the real world have the materials, a good website (marketing website, not a technical one, so a presentation site), and factsheets and goodies to hand out?
Maybe we can pool resources as marketeers.
I'll have prepared a short Nxt introduce video, it could be also presented on Nexus7 tablet during the handshaking  Business cards are in progress: - https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,1201.msg13532.html#msg13532They will be used in Miami conference: https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,853.30.htmlAnd then in Berlin: https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,1518.0.htmlWe might print and use some already prepared (but not completed) infographics: https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,1565.msg20180.html#msg20180Marketing googlesheet isn't updated yet, but there are also some names.. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgAGADgnQcrtdHRrV3V3Z1lzOXVEMWtqdElUaEtqV1E#gid=9Based on the new branding, I could make business cards for myself for now. An up to date infographic would be great, though. The only one that would be useful from these (for my target audience) would be a seriously non-technical NXT/BTC one and a Nxt/Fiat one. The people who I will meet will be interested in new ways of payment and how safe it will be, not in any technical stuff. Basically : "How does/can this benefit ME from a seller/buyer standpoint?". I'm realistisic and know that I won't "sell" Nxt to these people outright in Feb, but I plan to ride the "fear" of BTC and the volatility issue that sales people will be scared about and point to the eco side from the other direction. Seeing as I'm going to meet international companies. The decentralised exchange will interest them, too. Cutting out the middle man is always interesting. |
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Just a friendly reminder... There will be a Bitcoin Conference in February held in Berlin.
http://www.mediabistro.com/insidebitcoins/I am not from Berlin, but would love to represent Nxt on this venue. I decided to take 3 days off and fly over to Germany and use the opportunity to spread the word, let others know about Nxt and it´s features. I am sure that we all will benefit from having someone around at a venue like this. I am asking the community to support these efforts by donating to help fund the journey and the purchase of marketing materials like T-Shirts & pendrives with Nxt logo/slogan on them, printing some cool Nxt bills, and so on. I will document all the expenses and will make the spending of the fund transparent. I will also broadcast from the venue and post some pictures I received donations from 3 persons so far... I am asking community members, escpeially with big stakes to support this and help with funds AND ideas how to make Germany aware of Nxt. Even a couple of hundred Nxts will help.
11433600460445633305Thank you! I strongly consider that support your presentation is much better then spend coins to all this "please-give-me" 's I see in this thread. And I wonder why your request has almost no reaction among Nxt holders... You are the only one who is replying when I write about the conference. I really don´t know why people are so ignorant regarding this. Anyway, I won´t give up I just heard I am going to represent my company on the Ambiente fair in the Frankfurter Messe in February. My main work will of course be for my own company, but in the five days I am there I will meet loads of business people (wholesalers and big retailers) from all over the world. I am certainly willing, if it doesn't conflict with my business, to introduce these people to Nxt. I would need some nice marketing tools though, to at least get them hooked/interested. We're in te beginning of development, so it's natural that we can't give them totally finished tools to show, but anything helps at this moment to at least BE there. Can we figure something out to support these things, so people who are actually promoting Nxt in the real world have the materials, a good website (marketing website, not a technical one, so a presentation site), and factsheets and goodies to hand out? Maybe we can pool resources as marketeers. |
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is the real name of EpicThomas already known?
I suggest, that he returns twice the NXT he stole within a week.
otherwise the police hitmen should take over.
bahah if he's a relative nobody that'd cost very little, less than the $ amount he stole. but meh Highly doubt any law enforcement agency will give one fuck about this, even if it was 1mil usd. So any retribution will be via darknet tbh  &&& Any one have the link to the script / instructions one guy posted here to create a vanity address? Then the law wíll prosecute, probably. If someone files a criminal complaint, and he's easy to get to, they will arrive on his doorstep fairly soon. Vigilante action will only make this worse for ús, not for him. Hope you're not thinking of me again..... Does anyone actually have a clue as to ETs geographical location? I know it's not you, remember  Because you said "if he lives near Amsterdam" I assumed NL was his location. I have no idea where he would live. Ooops...I'm getting paranoid again.....it's been a long day. I was hoping he was close by so I could go round to his house and express my irritation. But, no, I don't have a clue. Oh, you should be paranoid. Thanks to that information, I now know you live near to me.  |
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is the real name of EpicThomas already known?
I suggest, that he returns twice the NXT he stole within a week.
otherwise the police hitmen should take over.
bahah if he's a relative nobody that'd cost very little, less than the $ amount he stole. but meh Highly doubt any law enforcement agency will give one fuck about this, even if it was 1mil usd. So any retribution will be via darknet tbh &&& Any one have the link to the script / instructions one guy posted here to create a vanity address? Then the law wíll prosecute, probably. If someone files a criminal complaint, and he's easy to get to, they will arrive on his doorstep fairly soon. Vigilante action will only make this worse for ús, not for him. Hope you're not thinking of me again..... Does anyone actually have a clue as to ETs geographical location? I know it's not you, remember Because you said "if he lives near Amsterdam" I assumed NL was his location. I have no idea where he would live. |
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is the real name of EpicThomas already known?
I suggest, that he returns twice the NXT he stole within a week.
otherwise the police hitmen should take over.
bahah if he's a relative nobody that'd cost very little, less than the $ amount he stole. but meh Highly doubt any law enforcement agency will give one fuck about this, even if it was 1mil usd. So any retribution will be via darknet tbh &&& Any one have the link to the script / instructions one guy posted here to create a vanity address? He's from the Netherlands, isn't he? Then the law wíll prosecute, probably. If someone files a criminal complaint, and he's easy to get to, they will arrive on his doorstep fairly soon. Vigilante action will only make this worse for ús, not for him. |
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To the detractors who have appeared today, remember that no project needs to be (nor can be) perfect out of the gate, but it must be resilient. And I think this NXT team is.
This echoes my sentiments. I think a lot of the detractors are seeing this the wrong way. It seems to me that they're looking to invest in a shiny product that does shiny things out of the box (and will continually be updated to do even shinier things). That shinyness is not for themselves, but for the public, who for the most part are attracted to shiny things. They hope that if the public eventually buy into a lot of shiny NXT, the value of their own NXT, bought much earlier at much lower prices, will jump tremendously. They are also thinking of the launch as when this shiny product gets shipped out to people. But personally, that's not what I looked at when I bought into NXT a few days ago. I saw a remarkable set of principles like decentralization (not just of software and hardware running the NXT protocols, but also of the ability for people to get NXT), security, proof of stake, trust in mathematical algorithms instead of human institutions for handling transactions, NXT as not just a currency but an ecosystem of services. And most importantly of all IMO, freedom. From reading this thread, I see a lot of people, including the devs, who believed in these principles, enough so that they would risk their $ when this was a much less certain thing. And who now also give out, with no strings attached, the now valuable NXT to compensate theft victims and get new people interested in NXT. From these principles are founded the features, and protocols that support these features. (Much smarter folks in this thread who are familiar with all this, so I won't go into them.) The launch is not a traditional launch in the sense of opening a store or shipping out the first boxes. It really is about making the source code, the instructions that make NXT work, publicly available, so that people (with the knowledge and skills) can verify that NXT is indeed doing what the devs claim it does, and indeed keeping to the principles that it is founded on. And also increasing public awareness about NXT. I think people didn't focus as much on the principles of usability and accessibility early on, seemed like they felt that it was more important to get the other principles (and consequent features) right first. But certainly we do believe in usability, the alias system is an example of that. And more and more people here (including myself) are talking about the user-friendliness and idiot-proofness of the client. I fully expect these features to similarly become a reality, starting from the principles. Basically, I invested in people and their principles, rather than the product. To me the product is a consequence of the people and principles, and I think with this group of people (not just the devs, but the community of stakeholders), there will be an excellent product, much shinier than anything we have so far. And, again from reading the thread, I think a lot of people share my feelings. I'm glad to be with good company here. So for potential investors: If you just want to invest in a shiny product, maybe wait a while for that product (in particular the client) to shape up first before you decide. If you want to invest in people and principles, you don't have to wait to decide, read through this thread and take a look at the people and principles for yourselves. I couldn't agree more. Clients, usuability etc. will be made on TOP of the system that in itself is where the potential lies. If you would take the case off of a TV, car or computer, most normal consumers wouldn't buy it, yet it's exactly the unseen part that makes the thing function and where the biggest part of it's value lies. Nxt's principles are sound. I cannot judge the quality of coding, as I don't have enough knowledge there. However, I cán judge the amount of sheer hard work and dedication that is going into the project. If people say it must be crap because it is funded with only 21 BTC, I invite them to consider the term "sweat equity". We have an ample amount of that. |
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5) You sir, you have no clue...
And when we (investors) have don selling this webpage with four icons is worth 0.0000001
Development is one thing, having a product for mass adoption is another you all have zilth,0
LAUNCH yes launch was 3th of januari, shame on the birthday of 5 year bitcoin. The idea was genius, but putting it toghetter a disaster, how can anyone start something pure code without a client...
soory had your chance I will go to the first that delivers me something and as of now NXT is far away from delivering something usefull for the common people.
Oooh, look! AN INVESTOR! You stand to investor as a community security officer stands to policeman. Did you bring your clip-on tie? Seriously. You are quite ludicrous, sunshine. If you don't like Nxt, fine, go somewhere else. If you do, invest or do something constructive. |
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So for this has been a utter joke. Alpha status at start. Client hacked no trustworthy d/l available. Main dev off to make his own coin at some point in future. ah comon what is this shit?
So basicly NXT has nothing.  nothing at all, not even within on month you talk about more then five weaks! In the meantime eMunie is launched and there r others starting as well. this is a major set back and I shall have to review my investment. I am not a DEV I want results and no delays; NXT had a good chance to make it but lost it here. The Revenge of the Trolls!  Call me troll. We shal see if you can sell your webpage with four icons, coz that is all you have. Do you realy think people wil bother making .bat files, and using commands and API, forget it people will never adopt it. Its over and out. You all should have took the chance while you've got it but oooh no... In this hard business there is only one place that counts and that ia number 1. knowing you will still have nothing next mont eMunie (propre finished product and featuresà is the winner and there is no place for second You are making quite a lot of wrong assumptions, it seems. 1. You assume that the unveiling of the source code tomorrow is a "launch" of Nxt. It's not. It's the giving out of the source code. A special moment, yes, but not "the start of Nxt". Nxt is an ongoing project and not some kind of big company that goes "live". Nxt has been live for over a month. 2. You assume that alpha tools are the final product. You haven't seen the final client. Yes, there will be one. And will be userfriendly. 3. You are assuming, or so it seems, that people are not aware that there are problems. And obviously that you are there to point them out for us. Look at 666 pages of factfinding, problemsolving pages right here, mate. Work in progress. 4. You assume that you are right. |
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I just checked the nxt$Crypto.class that I downloaded yesterday via the instructions for linux, and I get this. It doesn't match at all with what is reported should be in there, but is also different from the "modified" file posted yesterday. Can someone explain if I need to freak out or not? things that are confusing to Damelon thnx for posting! Hey devs... should users be worried about having arrayOfByte as opposed to publicKey in the code above? Looks like arrayOfByte is just how ur decompiler translated this: things that are also confusing to Damelon
Halleluja, seems I am still safe then. Thanks for the feedback. |
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I volunteer as part of a doorkicking crew if he's within a reasonable distance of Amsterdam.
We could travel together |
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It's not EvilDave. I thought we had established that yesterday night. It was EpicThomas. |
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No problem I would also be interested if with the advent of the asset exchange it would be possible to move all my 1350+ aliases to a new account. Took me quite a while to get them and I would HATE to lose them! |
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I just checked the nxt$Crypto.class that I downloaded yesterday via the instructions for linux, and I get this. It doesn't match at all with what is reported should be in there, but is also different from the "modified" file posted yesterday. Can someone explain if I need to freak out or not? import java.security.MessageDigest;
import java.util.Arrays;
class Nxt$Crypto
{
static byte[] getPublicKey(String paramString)
{
try
{
byte[] arrayOfByte = new byte[32];
Nxt.Curve25519.keygen(arrayOfByte, null, MessageDigest.getInstance("SHA-256").digest(paramString.getBytes("UTF-8")));
return arrayOfByte;
}
catch (Exception localException) {}
return null;
}
static byte[] sign(byte[] paramArrayOfByte, String paramString)
{
try
{
byte[] arrayOfByte1 = new byte[32];
byte[] arrayOfByte2 = new byte[32];
MessageDigest localMessageDigest = MessageDigest.getInstance("SHA-256");
Nxt.Curve25519.keygen(arrayOfByte1, arrayOfByte2, localMessageDigest.digest(paramString.getBytes("UTF-8")));
byte[] arrayOfByte3 = localMessageDigest.digest(paramArrayOfByte);
localMessageDigest.update(arrayOfByte3);
byte[] arrayOfByte4 = localMessageDigest.digest(arrayOfByte2);
byte[] arrayOfByte5 = new byte[32];
Nxt.Curve25519.keygen(arrayOfByte5, null, arrayOfByte4);
localMessageDigest.update(arrayOfByte3);
byte[] arrayOfByte6 = localMessageDigest.digest(arrayOfByte5);
byte[] arrayOfByte7 = new byte[32];
Nxt.Curve25519.sign(arrayOfByte7, arrayOfByte6, arrayOfByte4, arrayOfByte2);
byte[] arrayOfByte8 = new byte[64];
System.arraycopy(arrayOfByte7, 0, arrayOfByte8, 0, 32);
System.arraycopy(arrayOfByte6, 0, arrayOfByte8, 32, 32);
return arrayOfByte8;
}
catch (Exception localException) {}
return null;
}
static boolean verify(byte[] paramArrayOfByte1, byte[] paramArrayOfByte2, byte[] paramArrayOfByte3)
{
try
{
byte[] arrayOfByte1 = new byte[32];
byte[] arrayOfByte2 = new byte[32];
System.arraycopy(paramArrayOfByte1, 0, arrayOfByte2, 0, 32);
byte[] arrayOfByte3 = new byte[32];
System.arraycopy(paramArrayOfByte1, 32, arrayOfByte3, 0, 32);
Nxt.Curve25519.verify(arrayOfByte1, arrayOfByte2, arrayOfByte3, paramArrayOfByte3);
MessageDigest localMessageDigest = MessageDigest.getInstance("SHA-256");
byte[] arrayOfByte4 = localMessageDigest.digest(paramArrayOfByte2);
localMessageDigest.update(arrayOfByte4);
byte[] arrayOfByte5 = localMessageDigest.digest(arrayOfByte1);
return Arrays.equals(arrayOfByte3, arrayOfByte5);
}
catch (Exception localException) {}
return false;
}
} |
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Also clear.
Very big PHEW
Edit: blockchain explorer is back up, btw
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By the way, I just checked and Drexme was last online here two hours ago.
There is a good chance he will try to cash in tonight if he read this thread now that we are on, to him...
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So, are most people with the new client boned?
If not, what should you check?
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