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161  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [SHOCK] Core dev and Blockstream employee tells bitcoin users to use fiat! on: June 04, 2017, 05:43:00 PM
If people want to transact faster with that coin, they should support the network themselves, so it is a win-win situation for everyone.

Yes, and PoS does that automatically, just when people use their wallet.

In PoW the motivation is profit. Your principle works as long as a coin is new and ran by a rather small community of people that support the coin because they like it. As soon as the coin gains marketcap and value, more and more professional miners will jump onto the bandwagon.

You have neither of that in PoS coins. They will be supported just by using it normally.
162  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [SHOCK] Core dev and Blockstream employee tells bitcoin users to use fiat! on: June 04, 2017, 04:51:08 PM
If mining becomes too centralized (say, coming close to what we see in Bitcoin now), the users may check the nuclear option and switch to a PoS paradigm. My point is that Litecoin, after successful activation of SW and LN, may still remain a PoW coin without being too centralized even if its value surges over time. How come? Because miners themselves will be self-limiting. It is the same with many parasites in nature, if they propagate without limit, they will kill both the host and themselves

Yes but that's still the thing what also Decentradical mentioned: You're basically saying that you don't want your mining to become so profitable that large pools will want mine your network. Which leads into a paradox, on the one hand you want as much hashingpower as possible to have a secure coin and on the other hand you don't want that hashingpower since pools will centralize that power when its profitable enough for them. Which is awkward.

Every attempt so far to create ASIC proof algorithms has become void as soon as the algorithm was used in an accepted coin. It happened with Scrypt and later with X11 when Dash became valuable enouigh. Every other PoW-algo would follow when the demand is there. So you will always play a game of hunting the rabbit with the creators of ASICs and mining farms.

All that effort, that waste of energy and resources and dangers of centralization could be prevented with just going PoS.

Cool, but this does not completly solve the centralization problem because I would preffer to give the stake keys to a service for a small fee to avoid the requirement to have computer on 24/7.

So you better have a miner running 24/7?
Besides, you don't need to have it running 24/7, it's still staking when you have it on for some hours per day, just less than 24/7. And if the coin is used enough so that it actually has value, then there will be always enough people having their wallet on.

And there is literally no serious coin that can be mined solo anymore. You always need pools even with the GPU-algos because there are GPU-farms too. With PoS you are always mining solo.
163  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [SHOCK] Core dev and Blockstream employee tells bitcoin users to use fiat! on: June 04, 2017, 04:16:32 PM
The road to hell is paved with good intentions

Other than that, I don't see how centralizing mining can be a good security approach at all. If we assume that proper decentralization does contribute to higher security, then yes, "supporting" network which ends up with mining centralization should evidently be frowned up on and lead to exactly that (even if centralization was not a goal). But this has nothing to do with someone playing dirty but rather with PoW deficiencies as such. Regarding switching to PoS, there can be a host of reasons why that might not be an optimal strategy. In fact, I don't know

No, the point is that if a PoW coin becomes valuable enough, farms will centralize hashing power. With PoS this can not happen at all.

So, PoW: the more users the greater the danger for centralisation by farms because mining becomes more profitable.
PoS: The more users the better the security because the more people will stake their balances.
164  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [SHOCK] Core dev and Blockstream employee tells bitcoin users to use fiat! on: June 04, 2017, 03:50:36 PM
In fact, we don't even need that

The very threat of a coin switching to a PoS model will keep people from creating large mining farms and centralizing mining in their hands. Obviously, no one is going to lose millions in vain, so Litecoin might not even switch to this model at all. Ironically, this thought alone should make Bitcoin miners tremble in horror and terror, and this is yet another reason why they are not interested in activating anything (Big Blocks, SW, LN, whatever), no matter what they say or declare

So "don't support our network too eagerly, otherwise we will tell you to gtfo" is a good security concept?

Why not go PoS already when you don't want the hashingpower anyhow?
165  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ★★DigiByte|极特币★★[DGB]✔ DigiSync v6.14.2 - DigiSpeed - Segwit -DiguSign on: June 04, 2017, 03:44:02 PM
What's going on here with DGB? What explains this high? Cheesy
Am I missing something?

It is a great coin and people have finally realized that. It hits a new support level every day.


some more professional explenation? why it is a great coin?
do some reading, DGB has been around forever. Great coin for sure

Hundreds of coins have been around forever. That's no professional explaination.
166  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [SHOCK] Core dev and Blockstream employee tells bitcoin users to use fiat! on: June 04, 2017, 02:45:18 PM
The only scenario where I can see a successful stake attack is when the coin hasn't dispersed properly. Like when the launchers of the coin premined or ICO'd it. One where they hold the most coins and the rest are just a tiny minority. I wouldn't go anywhere near those coins, but even if people accept those conditions it would still mean that it's the originators, the developers of the coin that are the only people that are able to stake attack their own shitty coin. Which another exercise in futility.

Yeah, especially as with in ICO you normally don't have to compete with a vivid market where each buy you do potentially increases the price. When the coin is premined and you buy them from the preminer (devs), you are paying a fixed price and huge investors instantly get huge amount of staking power. No one with the brain at their right place should buy into such a project, especially not with small amounts of money.

But then ICO is cancer anyhow, so it's not bad when this trend finally dies.

It won't have the same issues for obvious reasons

And these reasons are the same ones why Litecoin has Segwit and Lightning Network activated already while Bitcoin hasn't. Miners don't have much say in Litecoin, otherwise SW and LN wouldn't have been activated in this coin in the first place. I remember Jihan saying something against these updates, and he couldn't do anything in the end. So it is just a matter of time when Litecoin switches to the PoS paradigm when the time comes, and no Wu or Fu will stop it. Regarding buying up coins to kill the coin, that would be an exercise in futility and stupidity since when you buy the majority of coins (let's assume that), you will be left with nothing. People will just buy another coin with the dollars they sold their coins for

That's why I wrote "As long as none of these coins switches to PoS".
167  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BLK/BC) | PoS | No IPO on: June 04, 2017, 11:24:54 AM
This coin is not really marketed well. It has not seen steady and healthy growth yet. You should learn something from stratis and improve your marketing.  Even PINK is doing better than you. If you got better PoS tech than others, you got to reach to more and more people. People are using your coin for small day trading, very few long term investors are interested in this coin.

You are not completely wrong about this, especially since Stratis is but a copycat of Blackcoin and the real development of Blackcoin's PoS lays in this project and not in Stratis. Just Stratis had better marketing so more people thrown their money at them.

Blackcoin is the humble one that doesn't go too bold about what it can and what it holds. However as more people get interested into Blackcoin, there is a good possibility, that also marketing becomes better, since Blackcoin is not driven by a company but entirely by it's community of free, voluntary members who invested time, money and effort into the project just because they like it.

And looking at Stratis' current price shows how undervalued Blackcoin really is, since Stratis' whole advantage is a better marketing, not a better technology.

However I don't know what you mean with PINK. Their marketcap is half of the marketcap of Blackcoin.

Easiest benefit to promote to cryptocurrency users is securing your own blockchain and gaining the rewards that normally go to miners.

Honestly, maybe an ad campaign on PoW forums and subreddits would be a good place to start.

Could we not run a fundraising for such an ad on reddit? Maybe Gritt could provide an address where the community can send money to for this?
168  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [SHOCK] Core dev and Blockstream employee tells bitcoin users to use fiat! on: June 04, 2017, 10:56:53 AM
Some altcoin will take the throne if bitcoin doesn't change. Things change... deal with it or be pushed out of the way.  Pigs get slaughtered.

And Litecoin will most likely be a new king of crypto

Regarding the noise raised by the OP, I have heard many people claiming here that miners have been screaming for years about the necessity of the blocksize increase. If it is really so (I don't know, but let's assume that) and the blocksize increase was (is) as urgent and pressing as they have been screaming, what prevents them from introducing this change on their own (given their hashing power monopoly)? Okay, some dudes would be quick to retort that they want consensus and all that but if there is no consensus may be the bigger blocks are not in fact so urgent as these miners are pretending them to be? As I see it, you can't possibly have it both ways

Litecoin is just shifting the issues of Bitcoin, it runs on the same technology, just with a different algorithm. The algorithm was once chosen because Litecoin-Developers saw the issue with centralized mining by farms running on ASIC. So they thought Scypt would be more ASIC resistant, which became untrue in 2014. Litecoin will cause the exact same mining farms once it becomes valuable enough.

As long as none of these coins switches to PoS, the issues will never be solved, and we continue wasting energy on artificial complicated math puzzle that do nothing but proof that someone who claims to have made a block wasted some energy to do so. And soon a few huge farms will control the blockchain and decide with their hashpower the politics of the coin.

The issue in PoW remains that the miners are not necessarily the users of the coin where PoS makes sure that these that create the block also actually own the coin and have put investment into it. PoW miners can mine, dump and then forget the coin and if everything crashes, they can still sell the hardware and move on, while attackers on a PoS-system jeopardize their own wealth.

And for the other theoretical attack, it's only a matter of the network hashrate how secure it is. To attack a PoS Bitcoin with the same marketcap of Bitcoin today, you would need more than 20 billion USD (probably even much more, since the mere attempt to buy 51% of the coins will increase the price astronomically). To attack a smaller coin that secures with PoW, you'd need a few million only, nothing someone like a secret service couldn't afford, especially when, as said, the attack doesn't directly attack the wealth you had to afford to gain enough power over the blockchain.
169  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ★★DigiByte|极特币★★[DGB]✔ DigiSync v6.14.2 - DigiSpeed - Segwit -DiguSign on: June 03, 2017, 11:26:51 PM
Seems a few miners are dumping their coins right now. Difficulty spiked and there is a greater dump going on...
170  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ★★DigiByte|极特币★★[DGB]✔ DigiSync v6.14.2 - DigiSpeed - Segwit -DiguSign on: June 03, 2017, 10:26:11 AM
there is room to go..

Why?
171  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ★★DigiByte|极特币★★[DGB]✔ DigiSync v6.14.2 - DigiSpeed - Segwit -DiguSign on: June 03, 2017, 10:11:40 AM
Lots of people are asking why Digibyte is so popular. I personally believe it is because the development team has been working on digibyte for more than 3 years now and the technology behind the coin has been getting better and better. Digibyte isn't only a cryptocurrency that copies other currencies, but it has been developing its own technology and helping other currencies rather than competing. On top of this, it has not been trying to cause hype around digibyte and therefore a lot of people have never heard of digibyte before. To us, the people who have held the currency since the beginning, it has always been more or less clear that the currency was highly undervalued and is still. That being said, the current reason for the popularity is that we are getting many new owners on board and the distribution of the currency is getting larger. This is because people are realizing the potential digibyte has and also partly because people are mistaking digibyte for a coin that can be earned by playing games. Yes that part was true, but currently it is on hold, and there isn't really any reason to enable it now that the currency has finally gained wider spread, which was the original purpose of the gaming thing. The real potential in digibyte rests in the developmental team who have made digibyte what it is today and will most likely keep on making it better.

This is just the way I see it. But I thought that people might want to hear why someone has put all his crypto investments in digibyte and held even when it was 20 sat worth. I also encourage other long time investors to tell what they think.

But that's basically what everyone says about their coin. DGB has 21 billion total amount and it was at 17 satoshi in februar. It's now more than hundred times that price.
I still have no clue what the actual plus is in this coin as for the market value.

Don't get me wrong, I am just trying to learn to understand the crypto market and why certain coins are pumped nonstop and others creep around and don't seem to move at all.

How does one know if a coin is promising and another is not?

If one would have put $1000 into DGB in februar, they could now leave the boat with $100,000 - but who would have guessed that this coin rises so much and why?
172  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][FLT] Fluttercoin Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ | Proof of Transaction 3.0 | Update v0.7.5.18 on: June 02, 2017, 09:12:40 PM
is there an actual client somewhere (cant compile here)
or like a seed node?
173  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BLK/BC) | PoS | No IPO on: June 02, 2017, 08:32:48 PM
Here's some stats from faucethub.io.

2 days ago, we added BLK and there have been 79061 claims in total.
There's a total of 20 faucets already and we think it'll be close to 100 by the end of this month.
A total of 2985 BLK addresses have been linked.

More and more people are getting involved with BLK coin.


Wow that's great news
Congrats!
174  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BLK/BC) | PoS | No IPO on: June 02, 2017, 06:12:33 PM
again sorry im unsure..
what ever happened to the amazing multipool by BLK
the one that people would mine alts and then auto sell them for buyin blk...is it still around?

https://www.reddit.com/r/blackcoin/comments/69epqm/bringing_back_the_multipool/dhlfhhw/
aww,
but im happy how he responded...respect

so wierd, im not the only one feeling this...
nobody told me ...i just felt it, like many many others , and here we all are
it must be....

The Black Magic  Cheesy Cheesy

The blackcoin multipool really was an amazing thing. Maybe if we can get on a more reliable altcoin exchange than poloniex we can talk about bringing it back again.


Ah, I miss the time when coins were pumping on the mere news that there would be a multipool for them. Most newbs probably don't even know what a multipool is.

Those times are not so long ago and were basically dominated by scammers and their shitcoins.

Btw there is still a multipool that cash out in BLK: Prohashing, it lets you payout in any coin you want, including BLK.
Dedicated blackcoinpool would be better of course, as it focusses mining power on Blackcoin, but at least it's something.
175  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ★★DigiByte|极特币★★[DGB]✔ DigiSync v6.14.2 - DigiSpeed - Segwit -DiguSign on: June 02, 2017, 08:43:17 AM
I tried to read the original post. What makes this coin outstanding?
176  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BLK/BC) | PoS | No IPO on: June 02, 2017, 07:13:37 AM
BLK is the best coin of all
but marketcap is low  , dont know why
and other scam or shitcoin high than BLK...

Because people still throw their money on hypes. And the next ICO, if hyped enough, collects 34 million in under one minute (BAT). That's almost twice the marketcap of BLK. In less than one minute.

Sadly people rather discuss hypes than technology. There is a lack of discussion about the technology certain alt coins use. It's pros and its cons, it's security advantages and it's risks. To make the coins a better alternative (as in alt-coin) to BTC and improve the technology further. Today it's more about who shills in the brightest colors than who runs the best technology.
177  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BLK/BC) | PoS | No IPO on: May 30, 2017, 09:31:34 PM
Hello,

Could someone explain to me what happened with my Blackcoins because now my wallet is empty and I am pretty sure I used to mine such coins around 3 years ago!

Was there an attack (how convinient that it happened with so much crypto currencies I used to have) causing a new blockchain?

Thanks in advance!
My wallet is BHxGFDy5Dx6JSceHkD1wpBfveiUUYgaZc1 but it doesn't show any transactions here

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/blk/search.dws?q=BHxGFDy5Dx6JSceHkD1wpBfveiUUYgaZc1

The address seems to exist but has no coins in it and also was never used.
https://bchain.info/BC/addr/BHxGFDy5Dx6JSceHkD1wpBfveiUUYgaZc1

Are you sure you have your original wallet.dat?
If you are sure you used blackcoin already, then you most probably have installed a fresh version of blackcoin and thus created a new address.

According to the blockexplorer you haven't been hacked, the address never had any transaction and thus also wasn't emptied.

Try to find your old wallet.dat, BACKUP IT, then replace the new one in your %appdata%\Blackcoin with the old one and start the client to have it sync.
178  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BLK/BC) | PoS | No IPO on: May 30, 2017, 09:22:48 PM
Can someone Please put more then 5 seconds time on the announcement page, i.e. Page 1 ?!?
I think were being way to humble and have a lot more to say then whats been posted, seriously!?!

Again first impressions would tell me this coin has nothing going on, when in fact a lot is going on...just not posted here...

I know I know, ya'll moved to reddit but not everyone likes that hipster millennial hangout, especially now they censor for the elite's.

Everything else you guys do looks f'ing awesome, but that first page is just weak.

I hope IE didnt taint you guys that bad?!? (He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named)

What am I saying, everyone left right after 8(



Well, not everything is going on reddit. Most activity is on slack atm

Ahh, FotM Tongue

I'm just saying (and have always been saying) this forum is where IT'S at. Sadly its been kicked to the side of the road for what seems like "years" now.
ANYONE interested in cryptos (which we are trying to include the world in this) will never and I mean "NEVER" end up on slack. Guaranteed Fact!
Google it and see. No results = No new visitors/interest

They will most likely find this forum though, and if for some crazy lucky reason doing research find this posting it will read poorly from the under selling first posting.
Its almost as if you say the words Black Coin everyone is suppose to know all the cool shit happening or something.... they don't.

I'm not saying don't use slack. I'm saying don't use exclusive sites, post news/events here, talk here, update here, stop ignoring the most important forum we have.

Love the coin, love Rat and PoW. We have an awesome Dev's (much love), I can't wait to see what the future holds.

Lets just fully utilize the tools at hand imo and stop dwelling on the past i.e. IE (I lost several thousand)


I am not disagreeing with you on this
179  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BLK/BC) | PoS | No IPO on: May 30, 2017, 06:33:31 AM
newbie second look at black coin after 2 years. I see that blackcoin is very fragmented by community projects and the main project.

Most people like a one stop shop in a coin, black coin is very function able but need 5 different pieces of software on just the appearance.

black coin needs to package it all together in one wallet. download the main wallet recommended and play with  the features.

I see it has many features email tipping, smart contracts, and exchanging for btc..

I am in the assumption it all in black halo but I am not sure.

The front page of the website needs a big flashy youtube video to demo the features..

This is my opinion of blackcoin, love the project but needs a little more push to get it over the line.

Well, I am using just the wallet at the moment. I was looking into Black Halo but have not had much time to play with it.
However all these things are not developed by only one dev. Rat4 is only maintaining the core, everything else more or less closely related to Blackcoin is maintained by other devs. And things like Blackcoin are not exclusively tied to blackcoin, even if the dev is an active member of the community.

That being said, maybe it could make sense to include everything in one application, although this would be a nother third party project. Rat4 nor dzimbeck won't probably do it as they are busy with their projects already.
180  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BLK/BC) | PoS | No IPO on: May 30, 2017, 06:26:55 AM
IMO BlackCoin has innovative PoS tech and a loyal community, but is very lack of promotion. Josh has been the only official promo guy in the past two years, maybe we need a more powerfull team.

You are generally not wrong on this. However the question is why people only jump on bandwagons and run after shills rather than deciding based on rational facts.
There are a few good coins, and Blackcoin is certainly one of them. However the top on the marketcap list is full of shitcoins.
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