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161  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICO] [AIRDROP] Smart City Eco Building smart solutions for online economy on: July 27, 2018, 04:53:52 AM

Deming Circle (PDCA) Methodology for continuous improvement.

Plan
Do
Check
Act

These are the what Smart City Eco is doing with their project to be successful and I believe they will be successful. These are the pattern to success and we can see that they really are progressing/improving in this project.
Wow! This is really great! I have learned a new thing today! Thanks to Smart City Eco team. I think I have to apply this one to what I am doing because I believed that it has a positive outcome to what you will do using this methodology just like Smart City Eco project. It is getting better every day.

an information indeed, these are great methods to success. no wonder why this project is continuing to progress, their method is useful. go for it team!

YES, seeing the project runs in a very good method is quite convincing to people who might see this project, i mean the methods are really great and a good way on how to lead the project to success.

Smart City Eco has the responsibility of creating an effective and efficient system in order to attract people
into using it, inform people of the cypro-world and satisfy their needs whether for pleasure or for profit.
Online games, shopping and gambling are just some of the things that make SCE's world a fun and profitable
place.

this cycle are simbol that smart city eco  team are plan carefully,and check the other possibilities to all aspect in business regarding to their system implemented to this platform so that the act will be flawless during process on this project.

As stated in the above, I think it is a kind of giving mindset to their community in this project where Smart City Eco might be a role model

were in the beginning all was started in planning, then they did what is supposed to be happen, and they've checked all what is needed to be

improve more to their project until in the end they take action of it.
162  Economy / Economics / Re: When will smartphones used for bitcoin mining? on: July 26, 2018, 05:17:26 PM
As we all know that smartphones are just like computer nowadays that has strong storage capacity and processor. This I think could be enable to mine bitcoin and this is what I am waiting for if there are any smartphones company that would offer their smartphones for bitcoin mining or even as a smartphone that works as digital hardware wallet for bitcoin and other crypto. I am waiting for it to happen. Do you think that it will happen?

I don't think in the future smartphone will become like the mining rig that will produce Bitcoin, No it won't be happen, perhaps the mobile phone might gonna be damage or destroy only, due to its part of the phone is not design to mine bitcoin at all. therefore, it's too impossible to be happen.
163  Economy / Economics / Re: Confirmed, bull run begins now, what expectations? on: July 26, 2018, 05:01:50 PM
Nearly one billion dollars has entered bitcoin today according to cryptonic news item.This week has seen btc doing very well and all are excited.I know most people have individual plans for a moment like this,let's hear yours.

That was a very good tings to happen now dude, the long months has finally come to anyone who hold their bitcoin patiently. Perhaps some of the few altcoins also will rapidly increase while bitcoin is increasing too, and the only things we don't know was that it can't be stop once it goes up their value.
164  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: How to start trading on the crypto exchange? on: July 26, 2018, 04:46:09 PM
Hello guys, how to start trading on the crypto exchange?
I would like to hear the opinions of professionals people.


When you are doing trade, it is much good and better to begin in small capital amount in trading platform. so it may not hurt you so much if you

encounter lose of capital due to of making trade in the exchange platform. then Try to learn the basic reading in the candles stick anyway for the

buyers and sellers something that.
165  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: DO YOU BUY WHEN THE PRICE DROPS SHARPLY ? on: July 26, 2018, 04:40:19 PM
Good day, mates.

My strategy is to buy coins when the price drops sharply.

Sometimes I fail, because the price drops more than I expected.

But, to prevent this worse situation, I put 30% of my budget at the time of initial investment.
If the price getting down again, I put 30% more.

With this strategy, I am getting some money so far.

In conclusion, I recommend you guys to buy coins when they drops rapidly.
After sharp drop, there should be sharp rising.  Cool

Yes I am dude, especially if the potential token coins is suddenly get dump if I have a few budget for it, of course I will buy for it then hold in a

long term. Because that's the best thing to do if you know that the is really a good to invest in.
166  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: How to find good cryptos? on: July 26, 2018, 04:30:27 PM
Hi,

there are so many cryptos and I find it hard to identify the ones where I should have a closer look.
Obviously one can find cryptos e.g. by listening to shilling on Reddit. But I'm looking for more professional sources like YouTube channels, free/ paid Telegram/Discord groups and so on. What do you use?

I think the best thing for you to find out if crypto is good or not, you need to  check first then the whitepaper they have, also if their is really

active in giving update to their community, then the volume of bitcoin is not less than 3BTCBTC a day.
167  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: 💥⭕️[ANN] Fair Ninja - 1st Worldwide Classifieds Marketplace Using Blockchain⭕️ on: July 26, 2018, 04:21:37 PM
With Fair Ninja, you’ll find the best deals across Europe and around the world.
Buy and sell with anyone, anywhere, in any language.
Pay with: Bitcoin Ethereum Litecoin and their very own Yoshicoin!

latest update from the team!!!
https://www.facebook.com/fairninja/
That is the best feature of fair ninja for many people who wants to buy or have goods and items originally from european countries and from around the world... Before we don't have the chance to have it but now with fair ninja all that second hand items is available for everyone...

That's a good thing for Fair Ninja, where most people would satisfied because of their kind of offered and services as well. And I do believed that

their items was still high quality despite of being goods surplus due to it is branded too.
168  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Bounties (Altcoins) / Re: [BOUNTY] 💊💊💊ATLANTICO NETWORK💊💊💊 on: July 26, 2018, 07:05:45 AM
Hello Mam sandra I would like to reserve Filipino translation if you need.

Thanks Godbles Smiley
169  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: 💥⭕️[ANN] Fair Ninja - 1st Worldwide Classifieds Marketplace Using Blockchain⭕️ on: July 23, 2018, 04:52:12 PM
In these days, Online shopping opens up the market to buyers and sellers across the world
This increases visibility and can be a positive revenue stream for many countries, everything is ‘open’ all of the time.
Shopping can take place at any time of the day or night and from any location.
Fair Ninja really opens up the market and makes time zones obsolete.

That is very nice for Fair ninja where in they operate on a world wide level, and in addition to that where  it is open to everyone, where ever they are but most specially with multi language automated feature, everyone can understand without difficulty the description of items or products with this unique feature of Fair ninja.

that's really an awesome for the this project as well. But isn't in the future fair ninja will going to face a big problems in terms of their

competitors in online shopping like amazon, alliexpress and more? Well, I guess Fair ninja has an advantage with them due to its token of this

project can be trade able compare to them which it can give opportunity to anyone also to give profit too.
170  Economy / Economics / Re: The Reason For Creating a New Cryptocurrency? on: July 15, 2018, 04:50:13 PM
The growing development of cryptocurrency in the world becomes a very positive thing in this digital era where the use of blockchain-based technology becomes real. However, in my mind, being questionable is actually the reason that many people make and create a new crypto currency?

Cryptocurrency in our generation now was cannot be deny that it is very trending, and it appears so many because it depends to the developer if

they're intention is to help others or to victim others due to in crypto there is really have a profit/ money, that's all I know about it.
171  Economy / Economics / Re: Why people are still buying BTC? on: July 15, 2018, 04:43:23 PM
Hello guys,

To me, it seems pretty strange that people actually continues buying btc now...
I understood why they wanted to invest in btc before, after the Chyprus crisis, and all the articles in the media. But now?

I don't get it.


Bitcoin is useless, and will most likely never be used as a currency. I spent hours trying to get my first bitcoins (satoshi actually), and after working for ages, I only got 0.002 btc, which does not even allow me to proceed to a transaction (the fees are higherthan that amount  Roll Eyes ). When you compare it with CC or paypal, it seems that they are free to use in comparison! Not to mention the time required to actually proceed to a transaction which can be anything between 1 minute and ... 1 year (or more?).

The only possible reason I see people are buying btc is that they (truly) believe that the price will increase, and want to make more profit. I think that 99.99 % of the bitcoins exchanged are never withdrawn from the exchangers, and the people are only waiting to make some profits. What makes them believe that the price will rise? Because the amount of bitcoins is limited? Because lost coins can never be recovered? I have no clue.


An other problem is the "mining" part. Soon, the difficulty will increase, CPU and GPU mining will be useless. People will stop mining bitcoins and try LTC or something easy to get... The interest in btc will decrease.


Other issues:
- security. Not a single company was able to provide a "professional" service. Bitcoin-24 has a serious problem ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=174600.0 ). Even mtgox was critized for the lags, problems with missing coins, money, delay, and so on ... The hacks are countless (you can see new topics about that every day ...).


I can't see anything positive about btc, and still can't get why people are buying it. Can any captain obvious explains? Thanks.

Excuse me mate, this is not for being rude okay, If bitcoin is useless How come that you became Sr. Member in this forum? and yet you don't know why most of the people here still continuing buying Bitcoin. it is because they really do believed that bitcoin will will increase again at the right time, just all they need to is to wait more a little longer.
172  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ⚡[ANN]⚡CryptoRiya 💰 Crypto to Cash Anywhere Without any Bank 🗼 Join PreSale 🗼 on: July 15, 2018, 04:33:21 PM
I believe in this project but I just scared because they have updates regarding to the project but I can't see any documented activities of the team. There is no seminar, meet ups and convention. I don't know if I missed their updates but hopefully nothing goes wrong with CryptoRiya.

Here is an update that I think you missed out! There are several updates regarding to the project and you can see it in their social media sites. However, I agree with you. We need a true face of the people working for the development of CryptoRiya. I hope that this debit card and crypto to fiat exchange project will not scam our investment.


Cryptoriya has been added to WISERICO tracker  

Vote for the Cryptoriya on WISERICO and follow Cryptoriya on the media platforms:

Telegram
Twitter
Facebook
Medium

Cryptoriya is the first blockchain based technology where users can exchange any cryptocurrency to cash within minutes from anywhere globally and it supports 1600+ cryptocurrency or token in a single platform. CryptoRiya is a platform for the future of Cryptocurrency that enables anyone to spend, withdraw, sell, buy & sends any cryptocurrency anywhere globally without any bank account. While existing solutions offer to solve just one problem at a time, our team is up to build a secure, useful, & easy-to-use product based on Ethereum Blockchain. It will include easy Cryptocurrency to cash payments and even a digital arbitration system. At the end, our aim is to make any crypto-currency usable in daily life & getting cash from any cryptocurrency within minutes around the world which will make any cryptocurrency genuinely efficient, transparent, and reliable.


Really? Wow! Thanks for this info. At least now we know they are also doing something for the project. It means they are not sleeping. It is something we can look up to that this project is not just a word of mouth but also true.

Its natural to have doubts when looking into new projects and investments. I think the project's concept is really good and many users support this kind of project. Who doesn't want a fast crypto to cash transaction? Everyone wants that right? I think this project is more active on social media than here jn this thread. Anyway I am looking forward to more updates as well.

Many of the community here in the forum will get easily attract to cryptoriya project, Why? it is because,they've built a platform to trade and

Cash-out any crypto currency worldwide, isn't great to hear to this project were it is one their main goal?
173  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: 💥⭕️[ANN] Fair Ninja - 1st Worldwide Classifieds Marketplace Using Blockchain⭕️ on: July 15, 2018, 04:20:57 PM


Today, only a handful of merchants accept cryptocurrencies as a form of payment. But with Fair Ninja, that’s all going to change. We’re going to make it easy for anyone, anywhere to sell anything online while accepting payment in cryptocurrency.  (From their Twitter page)

It is great, if Fair Ninja will be making a difference in this area, since cryptocurrency now is becoming world-wide, merchants will not have much choice but to accept cryptocurrency as a form of payment for their business or else they will be outgrown by the open-minded merchants who embrace cryptocurrency.

Nowadays people in our country gets curious about crypto and there are crypto investors and I found some popular artist who are crypto enthusiast or crypto trader. Hoping that this project will be accepted here in our country so that we can practice the method of paying Yoshi coin to buy and sell products which excites me a lot. O hope for this coin to be sold out.

Fair Ninja will not come up with the concept to go worldwide if the market is not open.  It only means, that when the project starts to go operational, they have predicted that Cryptocurrency will be accepted. It might not be the soonest but it will happen.

Fair Ninja project is one way to open the doors of all nations to be aware that Crypto exists and educate them about all the benefits it may bring to their country. I am positive that Cryptocurrency will be accepted worldwide if we support a project like this. When the local merchants of a certain country and start to be involved in Fair Ninja project, I think that will be the start of everything.
That's right! The fair ninja is very great and have a potential in the making because this is a online market where you can purchase goods that people will really want and love.

Well I guess not all people like to buy goods which is second hand, only those people who is fanatic in surplus product.
But in some other way, Fair ninja was quite really good in terms of selling it online due to it connected into blockchain technology where it is already trend nowadays. It is actually timely for the client or customers who is online shoppers.

It is true that there are not that much people who like second hand stuff but even so, there are still quite a few that wants secondhand items like antiques. Some people even look for phased out products for the purpose of collecting or for restoring machines or things that needs the phased out parts. This will help those kind of peole and the people looking for extra bucks by selling stuff they do not use anymore... This will be making fair ninja project succeed for sure.

Maybe you're saying that those people are antique collectors, or etc. that are like surplus items. though you may have a point in it, that is

could possibly one of their market Fair Ninja could also be a way for the people who like buy and sell products.

It will surely succeed mate because of the demands of online marketing.
We are on the technology era we must change day by day even the system of buying and selling goods. This will definitely change the system of Online Market. Great project.

It is true that we are in the era of blockchain technology where fair ninja connect it in online business economy. Glad to hear that this project of Fair ninja is doing everything to make their community become more comfortable to them which I like it the most actually, keep it up team fair ninja.
174  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN]ARIZN TOKENIZED CROWDFUNDING $2M PRIVATE SALE SOLD OUT on: July 15, 2018, 02:04:06 PM


What catches my attention with this Arizn project is about the crowdfunding. You know, crowdfunding is now getting popular.  Besides it is an advantage to a common people because with just a small amount, you can be part of a project or company. You will be given a chance to start small. This really a big help to a lot of people giving them a chance to invest.

Well that's  good to hear that we can start small investment with this project. I haven't fully read their whitepaper yet and I still want to continue, because there are lot of things I want to know about this project, anyway thank you for sharing your thoughts.

As I read their Whitepaper about crowd funding of Arizn is based on ethereum blockchain, were they are using smart-contracts to provide a range of
products that offer a stake, equity, asset backed or loan based digital assets in exchange for funding a campaign on our platform.
Which means the token of ARizn is minted automatically and sent to the backers wallet. ALT tokens are instantly trade-able and can be used as a form of payment or instantly exchanged for any type of suitable value. According to

WP>>>>https://arizn.network/Whitepaper-version-1.2.pdf
175  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: ❇️YAPPADAPPADOO -❇️Bringing Revolutionary Multi-Platform Apps To All Users on: July 14, 2018, 08:29:52 AM
Wow! After reading some of the contents of this project, this is really fantastic. There is no doubt, PWA is the next chapter in web development.
It'll surely improves user experiences a lot.

Hello dude! You're right on that. Progressive Web Apps is the latest thing about web development. I've searched about PWA on the net. I've read several articles about it, and even these internet monsters such as google and microsoft are working on it. They don't want to be left behind. Projects such as yappadappadoo will surely make them work double time.


Absolutely right! Progressive Web Apps have some great features, such as, they are fast and realible. They load instantly and respond quickly. They very user friendly. Increase user engagement capability. Developers are really working on these.


Billion of users would definitely love the feature offered by Yappadappadoo about its nature of being like Native Apps. These apps give you the feeling of being comfortable in terms of user exprerience, easy to access. No installation and no untimely updates.


it is true that there are billions of users in the entire world we had it now. But there are lot of big competitors where yappadappadoo faced, and I think in the first place they can probably get a millions of users in the meantime, but who knows miracles comes up to this project of yappadappadoo, lets see and wait it.
176  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICO] [AIRDROP] Smart City Eco Building smart solutions for online economy on: July 14, 2018, 05:48:53 AM
I think it is not good that they will make a gambling sector on their platform that will come with a gaming community. As we see most of the gaming people are teens and post-adults right? Isn't it they are opening a door for these kids and turning adult to make way into their gambling addiction on their early age? Do they have any kind of action or security to filter out those teens onto using their gambling platform?


You have a good point! It should be divided into several sections where there is a restriction towards the young gamers. It will prevent from allowing minor age to play with gambling. However, there is no impossible right now. They can pretend to be a mature one depends upon their capacity to tamper their identity but still I agree with your opinion.
For sure they will set a restrictions for all of their users and within the sections that they want to participate, especially for the gambling section... Atleast 21 years old above are welcome to play in online casino,  but as you said there's a way to tamper their identity or fake it...
For this situation if user falsificate their identity just to be able to play in online casino of smart city its their own risk i guess, and Smart City is out of the question because they have requirements regarding with the age of user... And for me the parents should be the one to guard their children with this kind of matter, they should know what is happening to their children everytime...
Absolutely ,but I should really that smart city eco are build also nice game to all user depend upon to what age of the user,so that as a parent  you don't have to  worry to  feel the negative thoughts  while your kids are the  playing  the online game due to the use of system is  under the system of smart city eco,aside from that, is not all about the game its also have a knowlegde output while playing the game

Another benefits while playing the game at online game under the platform of smart city eco  we have also great opportunity  to have an income plus opportunity to use and buy the other things that you need to your personal belongings,through at online shopping cause smart city eco are offered also this kind of opportunity, so that your time will not lose unlike to playing other  online game at other system due to , your token reward will not use to other purposes


Yes that's true, using SCE token you can do many things on their project planned, first They plan to focus on variety of products and bring the

Chinese sellers in order to offer our token holders chance to buy software goods and equipment needed for mining etc, Multi currency wallet

that will provide safe storage of tokens and most popular cryptocurrencies 100% safe impossible to hack money controlled by user. And

you can trade their token in the exchange once it has been list in the exchange platform.

Where all of this you can find on their WP>>>> https://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/b46aa3_6876d3662e7a4dc6b0732a2d190e0c38.pdf
 
177  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICO] [AIRDROP] Smart City Eco Building smart solutions for online economy on: July 11, 2018, 07:27:37 AM
see a good future with this project, I would recommend it to those who are willing to invest for a long time.

I would love to participate to this project and as what i have seen a lot of people are getting interested into it because of the opportunity been giving by the SCE to the users of their system.


As the days past many people are learning and knowing how this platform can change the way of communicating and making a whole new community
Using this smart city eco. There's a various of platform can be up and used by people on smart city eco.
smart city eco is getting more and more love from its supporters as the days pass. this will help them gain more investors a positive background will lead them to success. i would really like to be part of such a amazing and helpful project.
Indeed! Let`s just hope more people will get interested into the Smart City Eco platform, it really needs more support from the people in order not only to become popular to our economy but also it attracts more investors, in my own opinion I think it is helpful to them if they were going to have partnership.
I think they should be focused more in their marketing first before they will make an update regarding to the prototype of SCE. Days are counting and if they will not work more, nothing will come in SCE. But I am sure that the developers do a lot for the Smart City Eco, for sure they do not let this kind of project to be failed.


Smart City Eco is making progress daily and each day it passes we are doing 16 hours days and we do not post about it and our project will continue on even if the ICO ends tomorrow
just watch our roadmap and see the next steps

next is Exchange listing
           Logistics
           Mvp with several working fucntions of the platform.
           Further development.

As I keep watching on this Smart City Eco, I really appreciate how you(SCE Developers)make yourselves
visible as we discuss things here. Your updates gives us a clearer sight of how this smart City Platform
is going to be like as some may be added or maybe changed in the future.  

The response from smart city eco is important for all of us here and especially for its many investor to guide them in this project, this is rare for developer to show this kind of activeness and we haven't often see this to other platforms...
This is all we need from the developer, their response and answer to all of our questions will help us through the long run of their ICO's project, the idea that they will likely to give is brilliant...


We need each other support for this project to have a positive results, developer and investor need to exchange their suggestions... Not only the developer i guess, but also investors are welcome to give their suggestions...

This is a trash. What new on this? I always shop online and it is too normal.
What’s the point of this project? Will I get freebies when I use this project when I shop? Too common nowadays.

Have you ever heard about the blockchain? Or its function benefits once you get involved in it? I think you're being left with the trend now

mate. Yeah, its true shopping online has been normal for a couple of years but never been connected into blockchain technology, where the

online you do was not connected in blockhain, and with Smart City eco as an online shopper you can be one of the earner using SCE which is

this project unlike in the normal online shopping you encountered for a couple of years.
178  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICO] TrustLogics : Blockchain For Trusted And Secured Professional Data on: July 11, 2018, 06:41:54 AM
Product is good, vision is good. There is a huge market and competition also. But with experienced team i feel the project will be successful!


It is nice to know that the trustlogics have a Great platform and this platform have the most impressive system that is really amaze me because it will help a lot of people in every nation, hope to see that this project will be successful in the future.
yes it is, and hopefully it will really be administered soon and without further problems hopefully it will succeed and continue to bloom even more. this is really a great opportunity to those who seek jobs online and has a problem regarding jobhirings and any other stuffs related to employment.
Definetly will help thousands or even millions of of jobless people that seeks good things online/virtually or physically. Because if you actually think about it, it doesn't only create one opportunity but you can use this one in various kinds of aspects that are related to job. Aside from faster and less hassle kind of employment, it doesn't actually limits the kind of job a certain person can do as long as he can handle it freely and still has time for himself.

Exactly, as long as they have the token of Trustlogics for sure there is a chances for the jobless people to be given by a job thru Trustlogics

project. Their platform was seems really good and a big advantage too to anyone who will avail their service.
179  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICO] [AIRDROP] Smart City Eco Building smart solutions for online economy on: July 10, 2018, 06:42:04 AM
For the woman's out there like to do shopping and buying clothes and shoes in the stores
but it is too hassle and too expensive. Thanks to this project that you guys brought the market in our own comfort home. Good job SmartCityEco Team
And also nowadays there are more and more women involved in Cryptocurrency so they also can earn from the platform while they also can use their earnings in shopping. It is a very good opportunity for them and also very accessible through this platform.
Is there also like a loyalty program for Smart City Eco users specifically the one who uses online shopping.  I know that in online gaming, yoU have a chance to earn. Just like any regular shops or stores the more they buy, the more they can earn rewards or points. I hope SCE also will offer the same thing.
Maybe they will also provide just like what you are complaining besides if that happens more users were getting reliable of using their system, the chance of earning in games can be also applicable in their online shop too.
For Smart City Eco online shopping industry, maybe they could consider that loyalty program too, earn rewards as they shop.If for online games, they offer an opportunity to earn to entice them, why not do the same to online shopping? Shoppers value rewards that they could get.

Yes, I agreed like giving a a discount or freebies were the customer will surely be satisfy because of the incentives of gratitude or for every

buying items there is an an equivalent points then once they hit the max points of it they can possibly have a rewards from the online owner,

hows that?
180  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: ❇️YAPPADAPPADOO -❇️Bringing Revolutionary Multi-Platform Apps To All Users on: July 08, 2018, 09:05:06 AM
A lot of times i happened to use applications with a lot of ads and i found it very annoying. I wonder if Yappadappadoo’s applications also have ads or they have the same technique like ads are there but if you want them removed you have to pay for a better version? I think it is also the same.
Lol!  Cheesy
This is their way of getting costumers friend. If you need the application badly you will have to pay for it so you can use it better. I think it is in all application store. Like i use another version of facebook, the features are nice but also full of ads. If i want the ads removed they will redirect me to upgrade to the premium version for better use and service.

Aside from using the social media, the usage of ads are extremely helpful for the advertisement of Yappadappadoo or any other product. Being able to maximize the advertising techniques, Yappadappadoo will redeem a great advantage in terms of their steadily increasing popularity.

I agreed on your statement Citriney, social media is a big help for the campaign project here in yappadappadoo, because look at the result now it can catch and attract the community to support this project and get some investors too. No wonder sooner or later yappadappadoo will be one of the popular in this industry also.
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