I wonder when will you guys start to wake up, open your eyes wide, and realize that Populous and Steve Nico are a scam.
Please give me a break. Spotting a scam is not hard. And it does not take a super genius to figure it out. All you need is some street smart business sense to spot it. Some day many of you guys will suffer and suffer really big time, Clif High included for being such a foolish old man.
Fake Luxure deal. Fake XBRL airdrop. Hey, give yourself a favor and go Google what "XBRL" really is. Fake beta. Fake website. And more fakes.
Like I said, street smart common business sense is ALL you ever need to spot a scam.
Yeah, call me a FUDster. I don't care. If speaking the truth/what is sincerely out of honesty is considered spreading FUD, then so be it to you guys.
I didn't ride up the rally to over 140x bagger. I sold everything at 10x bagger after I figured out something is deadly seriously wrong with Populous' management team. Lost $1 mil worth of profit potential but I remind myself I sold everything for a very good business fundamental reason. Sell while some of you that are smart enough that still have time. Over greedy may someday destroy you.
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You know something, guys. If a person is honest about something and he is being called spreading FUD, then clearly the world has finally lost its way.
If you want to call it a scam, then at least try to show some sort of proof. If it's so obvious and clear, then show the details. |
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Populous team promised to give us a x-mas present ...... so i am ready to unpack ..... give it to us ......
And do somebody know when the xblr airdrop of populous gonne be ??
We still don't know. At this point, I think it'll be better if everything just happens after the new year. |
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It's really nice to see that the price of PPT is back up.
Now trading at almost $38 after new year i guess the price should be around $50?
50$ will be very good, but I hope that populous will be near 40$ again. someone said that it can be 75$, but I don't believe in it I think populous can reach $75 as long as market condition stable. Moreover if there is a news about the exact day for release the beta platform, it will more easy to reach $75 or maybe higher The $ 75 price is likely to happen in 2018, maybe the longest is March, for this month it's likely to be hard to reach $ 50. I think you'll see a pop as soon as a few real invoices are posted. It might not happen as soon as beta launches, but if interest rates are as attractive as people expect, the price will increase very quickly. |
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The whole market is green now but this token is still red. One of my worst ico investment.
Give it a time and it shall green soon, most of the coins who are pumping now are the coins who are in bigger exchanges which has a good reputation. Soon, if they will be able to deliver a good exchanges we can see the increase of volume and we will see it pump like other coins. Give it a time and all alts shall be red soon, most of the coins will dump as BTC is crashing. But don't despair, Allant will have its day in the sun, the question is when: 1 month, 3 months, 1 year, 3 years etc. token pay hopefully soon for the price rises and the bounty hunter who gets results that match your expectations. Still, they didn't distribute any tokens to bounty hunters and they are taking a long time to release the tokens and still, they have not done the calculation in some campaigns. Maybe they will take another year to distribute the tokens to people. They said it should be a few more weeks. |
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Are the sales postponded again? This is not the first time, I imagine how tired bounty participants)) The project is advertised from the summer
of course , bounty Hunters gambling with this project , just hard to work . At least they give permission to leave with stakes kept this time. Last time they didn't give permission. At least this is something. It would have been really bad if they didn't change this since people originally expected the campaign to end a while ago. |
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The bad thing we can hardly hear from the team. Better they do regular updates with their social media channels and blog.
They really could improve their telegram and social presence. hope they understand and rectify this Once they sell the ether, and I assume soon as the platform will be up and running by Q1, REAL can finally be a "stablecoin" as seen in one of the articles they shared. Still massively undervalued at this level and ethereum seen to be holding its value better than bitcoin Yeah, I think you're exactly right. At this point it'll probably stay undervalued until the platform launches, then it'll stabilize. |
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It's weird how this project can't get so much funding. Maybe you guys should invest more in advertising, cause the idea looks promissor.
Maybe they should invest more in advertising outside crypto industry We have monitored the ICO advertising market very thoroughly and our impression is that currently classic advertising is not working/only working on a very large scale ( 7 digit marketing budgets). The market is overcrowded with illegitimate ICOs shouting impossible gains and touting unfeasible business models, if you stay realistic with your advertising there is now way to be heard trough all that "noise". That is why we have decided against burning more money on typical advertisements. Instead we are building our community and try to spread the word about our project via social channels, this approach is working very well but it is obviously slower than bombarding people with adverts for X,000,000 USD. After all we are at an early stage of development and can see a lot more funding coming in as soon as we can announce the first milestones. literate move, I believe that the advertising of startups in the sphere of crypto-currencies should come from this forum with minimal costs and further increase the influence. But without fanaticism, advertising on TV is not needed. People who watch TV are hardly interested in crypto sphere  We agree, sadly, because some people like to "spam" their ANN-threads heavily to keep it trending on the front-page it is next to impossible to stay visible while keeping a quality information/conversation flow in this forum going. Afterall we do feel the ICO sphere will change heavily next year and we will still be around to embrace that change. REALISTO is a company doing an ICO, not a group of people doing an ICO to try to make a company  I hope you guys get the attention you deserve. You've got one of the stronger business models out there right now. |
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I'd also like to get a brief update on what they've been up to. I really liked the token when I invested in it, but haven't had the time to stay on top of what they have been doing.
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Pillar is still under the radar in a lot of ways, so I have a feeling it'll generate a lot of momentum once people see what the company is really capable of.
"radar in a lot of ways" for what? I mean that it's not getting as much attention as I think it deserves. |
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Pillar is still under the radar in a lot of ways, so I have a feeling it'll generate a lot of momentum once people see what the company is really capable of.
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i have a hunch they are gonna sell their ether for christmas  finally our tokens will be backed and have security! Even if they sold, I'm not sure if they would sell all at one time. But as far as I remember they sold their budget Ethereums at once. Yeah I would think it would make sense to sell a percentage of their ETH holdings every time it reaches a new all time high. |
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Etherdelta has been hacked as well, so there is terribly low volume! We were doing 40/50 k a day a month ago, now down to 5k. They need to sell to put us at ease This project shows how incompatible cryptocoins are with real estate. cryptos are high Tech, real estate is stones built on dirt. Investors loss in a this project is about 85% in ETH. Try to ROI that with real estate LOL. They aren't incompatible. I think tokenizing real estate is a good thing...you just have to know what you're buying. Putting real estate on the blockchain doesn't make it a "crypto" investment like we're used to. It's still real estate. |
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I myself did not participate in this campaign, but a friend of mine was very much waiting for the end of the bounty. promised to pay a lot ... Choto and the organizers are silent ...
Patience and good luck to you guys. I hope all be fine!
It was mentioned in Telegram that bounties should be distributed in a little more than 4 weeks from now. youre serious if distribution coin to bounty participant 4 week again iam visit atlant telegram group in pined post without announcement date about distribution bounty Yeah it was mentioned yesterday. Jens Anderson:
When are all bounties distributed? In 4 weeks?
Tomas A:
It shall be slightly longer than that, but exact distribution date wasn't announced yet, it will be known once all SS are checked by participants |
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I don't agree. REAL will be backed by Real estate properties and contract when you usually make gains with cryptos that are copycats, Useless or without any product for years...so why can't it do a x20 when there is a solid investment behind your tokens with a steady income? Then, number of tokens is really low and of the platform is a success, a lot of them will be locked in the platform. In my opinion it can skyrocket.
Forget about tokens for a moment and let's just focus on the real estate. Do you think it's likely the real estate investments will generate a 20x return? Remember, the company itself is targeting 12% - 20% returns. Let's say they do better than expected and achieve 40% annualized returns over 5 years. That's still only around a 3x. You can't make a 20x holding the cryptos if the investment behind it only returns a 3x. I can agree with you mathematically...but it's Crypto...I can't see a direct value relationship between an underlying real value and the token value in a market where 98% of Crypto aren't backed by nothing. That's why REAL future value will be based not only on Real estate profits but also on hype, sentiment or just the words "payouts to token holders". Let's see what happens in February. The fact that 98% of cryptos are backed by nothing is what makes REAL different and is the reason why you can't say it'll behave like other cryptos. Basically, you're just counting on people to overpay if there's enough hype. Maybe, i'm counting on people to pay more for something really backed by tangible goods, a thing difficult to find at the moment in any crypto. This alone could put the price above its backed value. To make the math easy, let's say they buy $15 million worth of real estate. There are 15 million tokens. You think people would pay more than $1 per token even though there is absolutely zero crypto exposure? Although REAL is technically a token on the blockchain, it's really nothing more than a typical real estate investment and could even be considered a hedge AGAINST cryptos. I'm not suggesting that's a bad thing. It just is what it is. |
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I don't agree. REAL will be backed by Real estate properties and contract when you usually make gains with cryptos that are copycats, Useless or without any product for years...so why can't it do a x20 when there is a solid investment behind your tokens with a steady income? Then, number of tokens is really low and of the platform is a success, a lot of them will be locked in the platform. In my opinion it can skyrocket.
Forget about tokens for a moment and let's just focus on the real estate. Do you think it's likely the real estate investments will generate a 20x return? Remember, the company itself is targeting 12% - 20% returns. Let's say they do better than expected and achieve 40% annualized returns over 5 years. That's still only around a 3x. You can't make a 20x holding the cryptos if the investment behind it only returns a 3x. I can agree with you mathematically...but it's Crypto...I can't see a direct value relationship between an underlying real value and the token value in a market where 98% of Crypto aren't backed by nothing. That's why REAL future value will be based not only on Real estate profits but also on hype, sentiment or just the words "payouts to token holders". Let's see what happens in February. Its been 4 months that panorama try to calculate the value of the token HAHA The value I've come up with is closer to where it's trading than anything I've seen anyone else post here. I'm also confident that it'll get even closer to my estimate in time. Oh...and I'm not carrying REAL at a loss. Are you? |
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I myself did not participate in this campaign, but a friend of mine was very much waiting for the end of the bounty. promised to pay a lot ... Choto and the organizers are silent ...
Patience and good luck to you guys. I hope all be fine!
It was mentioned in Telegram that bounties should be distributed in a little more than 4 weeks from now. |
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I don't agree. REAL will be backed by Real estate properties and contract when you usually make gains with cryptos that are copycats, Useless or without any product for years...so why can't it do a x20 when there is a solid investment behind your tokens with a steady income? Then, number of tokens is really low and of the platform is a success, a lot of them will be locked in the platform. In my opinion it can skyrocket.
Forget about tokens for a moment and let's just focus on the real estate. Do you think it's likely the real estate investments will generate a 20x return? Remember, the company itself is targeting 12% - 20% returns. Let's say they do better than expected and achieve 40% annualized returns over 5 years. That's still only around a 3x. You can't make a 20x holding the cryptos if the investment behind it only returns a 3x. I can agree with you mathematically...but it's Crypto...I can't see a direct value relationship between an underlying real value and the token value in a market where 98% of Crypto aren't backed by nothing. That's why REAL future value will be based not only on Real estate profits but also on hype, sentiment or just the words "payouts to token holders". Let's see what happens in February. The fact that 98% of cryptos are backed by nothing is what makes REAL different and is the reason why you can't say it'll behave like other cryptos. Basically, you're just counting on people to overpay if there's enough hype. |
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I don't agree. REAL will be backed by Real estate properties and contract when you usually make gains with cryptos that are copycats, Useless or without any product for years...so why can't it do a x20 when there is a solid investment behind your tokens with a steady income? Then, number of tokens is really low and of the platform is a success, a lot of them will be locked in the platform. In my opinion it can skyrocket.
Forget about tokens for a moment and let's just focus on the real estate. Do you think it's likely the real estate investments will generate a 20x return? Remember, the company itself is targeting 12% - 20% returns. Let's say they do better than expected and achieve 40% annualized returns over 5 years. That's still only around a 3x. You can't make a 20x holding the cryptos if the investment behind it only returns a 3x. |
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Exactly, we will gain value trough RPP, in fact iirc, you can sell RPP in the internal exchange if the property's value go up which is good for profits. Maybe you gain dividends for 6 months and in the meantime property value went up, you sell and you get some sort of double profit
I completely agree, but you still won't see 10x or 20x returns from this. It's just like any other real estate investment in that sense and returns like that are rare. |
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I honestly still think you don't really understand this.
Why would you say that a portfolio of $20 million in real estate is worth more than $20 million of cryptos?
I shortened quote, it was making thread unreadable. There are a variety of fee structures in Crowdfunding deals, which range from annual fees as well as
partial participation in upside returns and participation in profits on exit.
We believe the most transparent and interest-aligned formula is a profit share fee, so our interests are
aligned which incentivizes us to make the best returns for our users.
REAL will earn a 10% commission fee on all income or value appreciation profits from investments
made through the platform. For example, if a property participation generates 100 ETH in profits,
REAL platform will keep 10 ETH and pay 90 ETH to the investor. It is appealing to low risk - low income investors. There is not that kind of project in crypto. It will be bigger than the value of the portfolio. Think about it, do you want to hold usdt or real? That 10% is what you as a token holder will be paying to the REAL team. These are not fees that token holders will be earning as a benefit. It will be cut from income. You are not going to pay them from your pocket or anything like that. It is their commission to our income from real platform nothing more. Right. I thought you were implying that those fees would benefit token holders, making tokens more valuable. If that's not what you meant, then I'm not sure I understand why you posted that quote from the whitepaper. I tried to tell how their platform will work and how we will get profit from it. But you are right, the second paragraph is kinda unnecessary to put here. Having spent a lot of time looking at this, as far as I can tell the only way to earn money is through real estate ownership. The platform doesn't generate any income for token holders at all. That said, a successful real estate manager will typically shoot for 2x returns in 5-10 years. On occasion you might see some hit 3x - 5x, but that's pretty rare. It's possible that REAL could achieve that but it has nothing to do with pioneering tokenized real estate. It's all about whether or not they can find good real estate deals to invest in. I realized when I said it was "impossible" we were referring to returns of 20x, but for some reason I typed 10x into my reply. They could get lucky with a 10x return since the token is trading at half its value right now. If they could 5x what they invest and also hit the tokens actual value, that would be a 10x total. I think that's highly unlikely, but possible. A 20x still seems pretty impossible to me (unless ETH continues to run up while they hold it). I spent a lot of time into this as well and I understood this: let's say they buy a real estate with some apartment in it, open for rent, the ownership will be divided among all partecipants trough RPP, real property partecipation. Let's say it will generate 1000 eth from renting over one month, on that month REAL will get 100 ETH and 900 ETH will be divided among all RPP. For example on that real estate there are 1,000,000 RPP , will mean 0,0009 ETH/RPP for that month. RPP are not equal to REAL, since that RPP value can go up and down based on the real estate value Yes, that's exactly right. Since the real estate values are the only thing that can impact value (assuming they convert all their ETH), I don't think it's possible for the token to easily 10x or 20x. To keep things simple, I've been referring to REAL and RPPs as if they were the same, but you're right that most value change will happen at the RPP level. I expect REAL tokens to largely represent the amount of cash they hold. |
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