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161  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: FREE ASIC's! on: June 12, 2013, 03:52:21 PM
It's not free:  try to get one without revealing your btc holdings.  He'll get all fussy, guaranteed...
We ask because we want potential future customers.

You asked me to pay $300 shipping costs.
Free is free

I can PICK UP >>> where are you located? :-)TIA!!!
162  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: FREE ASIC's! on: June 12, 2013, 03:51:20 PM
It's not free:  try to get one without revealing your btc holdings.  He'll get all fussy, guaranteed...
We ask because we want potential future customers.

HUH? you never answered my post
163  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Christopher Columbus and Devcoin on: June 12, 2013, 03:48:49 PM


My sister is an educator in Hawaii, I bet we could make this happen.

big angry Hawaiians WILL kick your ass if they read this post >JMHO!!!
164  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Devcoin on: June 12, 2013, 03:46:29 PM
If you want Devcoins, I suggest selling things on Ebay and Craigslist, and linking people to it on Bitcoin talk and giving a DVC price.

It's the best way to earn Devcoins, and support the DVC economy ALL AT ONCE. While the person who uses the coins to buy something just found a new purpose for devcoin, and might try it themselves.


Ebay and Craigslist = scammers meeting place
165  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Devcoin on: June 12, 2013, 03:44:29 PM
Notabot, I can't find your post, it disappeared.

At any rate, good catch.  On one hand maybe its the same guy as 8 minutes apart is a bit fishy, especially for 3 names with similar opinions.

On the other hand, a lot of new people have joined lately, me included so maybe that's a coincidence.

Thing about luckybit, he's not flaming like this new owsley guy.  His arguments are well thought out and they make a lot of sense.  What he says may end up coming true - it's definitely at least a possibility.

I too think there has to be some change as the current model cannot thrive in its current form - its simply not sustainable as too many people are signing up too fast while the value is going the wrong way, so one would expect talent to really go south.

It's only a theory but it makes sense as this is what one would expect in real life.  I don't know the solution but I do agree we should have a healthy debate about it and perhaps we'll find a solution.  

Because for sure many more coins are coming and devcoin only has a limited window of opportunity to grow and get its name out before a landslide of alt coins come over us all and bury devcoin in an avalanche of obscurity and mediocrity.

Regards,

Vlad


Someone is trolling. Look at my profile. I did not register in June.

He corrected himself.  And I was actually standing up for you as not possibly being one of them as your arguments are too well thought out.  Thanks for posting.

Also, you said cookies are better than IP addresses.  Well, what if cookies are disabled or if cookies are erased or cleared?  TIA

ie: how do you track scammers?
166  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Devcoin on: June 12, 2013, 03:31:46 PM
The same dynamic can work in reverse where Bitcoin wealthy wont ever want to go back to fiat and will do everything in their power to grow Bitcoin and bait people into it ...

 ...Let them try. But when the majority of businesses accept Bitcoin it isn't going to work. The reason it wont work is because people today are becoming millionaires from Bitcoin and eventually there will be billionaires. These billionaires will control the cryptocurrency industry, not random newcomers with new coins. I'm saying the early adopters in Bitcoin will be established, organized, and will be the big players in the cryptocurrency industry and the little coins will have a very difficult time changing the landscape. The old guard will have benefited from the deflationary aspects of Bitcoin and you're not going to be able to change the minds of people who became billionaires because they bought thousands or mined tens of thousands of Bitcoins in 2010 or 2011. These people will own hundreds of ASICminer shares and will own stocks in many other companies as well and as the shareholders these individuals may decide they like the deflationary aspect.

What will make matters even worse for you is that people right now are following the same path, buying Bitcoins, learning to appreciate the deflationary aspects of it, and in 2016 these people could be millionaires as well. What will happen is journalists are going to start interviewing more and more Bitcoin millionaires and billionaires and do you think these people who grew up poor or working class and through Bitcoin became rich are going to decide suddenly that Bitcoin has a flawed design? It never happens. And people who get in at 2016 will see what happened for people who got in at 2013, or 2011, or 2010, and they'll choose Bitcoin merely because by choosing Bitcoin they'll be better off.
I don't think anything can stop that trend from happening except making Bitcoin illegal. if Bitcoin is legal and people start becoming millionaires and billionaires overnight, then there can be other more stable coins, coins with better technology, stuff like Ripple with establishment support, but ultimately a billion dollars is cooler than a million. A thousand is cooler than a hundred. A hundred is cooler than ten. Ten is cooler than one.
You haven't addressed any practical element of how a transactional structure would work grow, and I was going to write a response explaining what I mean by the "shitty side" of bitcoin credit, why deflation isn't good for business and diversifying interests, the nature of likely economic contraction and ruinous social progress (beyond that already written into demographic trends) to which a deflationary currency could pertain...

...until I kept reading and realised you've just done that yourself in genuinely, with zero irony, outlining a bubbly pyramid scheme. No mention of technological progress, a basis in state undermining, bypassing parasitic a parasitical financial sector...; just a pyramid with a new bunch of dumb cronies praying for salvation via continued mass ignorance. If you're going to take that view you at least have to concede to the necessity to bring in new blood ("bait people in it" as you put it). So really your whole argument for Bitcoin's future rests on mass stupidity, that everybody else is incapable of coming to the same conclusion that you can reach i.e. that it's all bullshit except marketing and making a few people wealthy, ironically wealthy in fiat or other non-btc assets obviously?

Hilarious. If that's the basis of your efforts and investments I hope for your sake you're one of the very early bitcoin adopters with a significant holding, preferably already sold, because if that's all it is you're going to get mightily stuffed by a rolling reality as the music slows and stops. There's always somebody with bigger pockets but not always another fool.

Drug trade and organized crime >> read above
167  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: FREE ASIC's! on: June 12, 2013, 03:28:34 PM
SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY !!!

send me 50BTC i'm in Cali i can round up some unemployed engineers and whip it out for you! kehehe
168  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: HELLO EVERYONE, I AM OFFERING 1/2 A PPC COIN?!! FOR FREE! on: June 12, 2013, 03:24:43 PM
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169  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Devcoin on: June 12, 2013, 03:11:17 PM
Notabot, I can't find your post, it disappeared.

At any rate, good catch.  On one hand maybe its the same guy as 8 minutes apart is a bit fishy, especially for 3 names with similar opinions.

I honestly think it's trolls stalking me. They heard I'm writing for devcoins, all three made accounts real quick, then got as far up my ass as fast as they could before I figured out who they were.

stop spreading lies >> back it up with FACTS!!!!

How bout the FACT that you are a troll
And the FACT that you all got accounts the same day I replied to a thread about bitcoins on trollitup (rollitup.org). In which I stated I was getting paid for writing...
And the fact that you said you were smoking a fatty for my brother, and most of my trolls come from a stoner site.
And the fact that you said you live around Goldyn

You are probably a troll that is friends with a rally person, or a troll that is friends with a Pueblo person. OR you are just one of those people, and I am wrong in assuming you have any friends.

Prove you got paid! ~ no one believes you ~personal attacks will not be tolerated

All I hear is "I'm a troll and I don't have a legitimate response to that"

you are a troll?

Wow, you are completely out of material. Can you leave now?

DEVCOIN being watched by authorities >> spybot exploit
170  Other / Politics & Society / Re: NSA killed Sillicon Valley on: June 12, 2013, 03:08:36 PM
The NSA scandal was the nail in the coffin for Sillicon Valley in my opinion.

Why would any business or private person trust US-based IT-services or software when they are spied on?
Non-americans should boycott american IT-companies as much as possible and instead use services based in neutral countries, for example Germany.

In the longer term Im sure we will have p2p based hosting services with high security and no corporations, governments or boundaries, just like bitcoin mining. But til then, we got to boycott Big Brother companies such as google and facebook.

who created and first used the internet >>next
171  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Devcoin on: June 12, 2013, 03:00:18 PM
Notabot, I can't find your post, it disappeared.

At any rate, good catch.  On one hand maybe its the same guy as 8 minutes apart is a bit fishy, especially for 3 names with similar opinions.

I honestly think it's trolls stalking me. They heard I'm writing for devcoins, all three made accounts real quick, then got as far up my ass as fast as they could before I figured out who they were.

stop spreading lies >> back it up with FACTS!!!!

How bout the FACT that you are a troll
And the FACT that you all got accounts the same day I replied to a thread about bitcoins on trollitup (rollitup.org). In which I stated I was getting paid for writing...
And the fact that you said you were smoking a fatty for my brother, and most of my trolls come from a stoner site.
And the fact that you said you live around Goldyn

You are probably a troll that is friends with a rally person, or a troll that is friends with a Pueblo person. OR you are just one of those people, and I am wrong in assuming you have any friends.

Prove you got paid! ~ no one believes you ~personal attacks will not be tolerated

All I hear is "I'm a troll and I don't have a legitimate response to that"

you are a troll?
172  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Devcoin on: June 12, 2013, 02:59:16 PM
Notabot, I can't find your post, it disappeared.

At any rate, good catch.  On one hand maybe its the same guy as 8 minutes apart is a bit fishy, especially for 3 names with similar opinions.

I honestly think it's trolls stalking me. They heard I'm writing for devcoins, all three made accounts real quick, then got as far up my ass as fast as they could before I figured out who they were.

stop spreading lies >> back it up with FACTS!!!!

How bout the FACT that you are a troll
And the FACT that you all got accounts the same day I replied to a thread about bitcoins on trollitup (rollitup.org). In which I stated I was getting paid for writing...
And the fact that you said you were smoking a fatty for my brother, and most of my trolls come from a stoner site.
And the fact that you said you live around Goldyn

You are probably a troll that is friends with a rally person, or a troll that is friends with a Pueblo person. OR you are just one of those people, and I am wrong in assuming you have any friends.

so now posting PMs is cool? ~ you are going to JAIL!!!!
173  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Devcoin on: June 12, 2013, 02:56:42 PM
Notabot, I can't find your post, it disappeared.

At any rate, good catch.  On one hand maybe its the same guy as 8 minutes apart is a bit fishy, especially for 3 names with similar opinions.

I honestly think it's trolls stalking me. They heard I'm writing for devcoins, all three made accounts real quick, then got as far up my ass as fast as they could before I figured out who they were.

stop spreading lies >> back it up with FACTS!!!!

How bout the FACT that you are a troll
And the FACT that you all got accounts the same day I replied to a thread about bitcoins on trollitup (rollitup.org). In which I stated I was getting paid for writing...
And the fact that you said you were smoking a fatty for my brother, and most of my trolls come from a stoner site.
And the fact that you said you live around Goldyn

You are probably a troll that is friends with a rally person, or a troll that is friends with a Pueblo person. OR you are just one of those people, and I am wrong in assuming you have any friends.

Prove you got paid! ~ no one believes you ~personal attacks will not be tolerated
174  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Devcoin on: June 12, 2013, 02:54:33 PM
One of the writers on devtome, Wiser, posted this article outlining their experience and ideas for the project. I think it's definitely worth a read and some thinking through:  http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=on_writing_and_market_forces

Nice article, indeed.

I gotta clarify one point, though: programmers simply do not get same kind of a deal as writers do. 90% of share pool is supposed to be allocated for writers on devtome.

You can't just get devcoins for your open source code, there are only bounties for concrete things (e.g. devcoin software) and for software projects which meet certain eligibility criteria.

For example, I contribute to some Bitcoin-related open source project. It is hard to judge significance, but let's say bitcointalk thread about it was read 16084 times, and my posts on reddit informing about progress got ~100 upvotes. Here's my github account which shows contributions: https://github.com/killerstorm/

But I've been told that software I write is not eligible so I cannot get any devcoins for my code.

I really do not care much about it because I got some money from sponsors, I just mentioned it to note that programmers are not complaining about shrinking share... They never had a share to begin with. (Well, some people receive shares for Bitcoin software but they already received lots of devcoins so I doubt they will complain.)

The only thing which bothers me is long-term viability of Devcoin, I really wish this project best of luck, and everything I wrote are just observations from an external observer.

Here's a list of programmers who receive devcoin shares:

https://github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/blob/master/bitcoinshare.html

https://github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/blob/master/devcoinshare.html
]

~no deals
175  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Devcoin on: June 12, 2013, 02:53:38 PM
Closed source software like games? Yeah that brings a lot of users and money. Open source software on the other hand does not.

Oh, you should tell that to id software. They made code of popular games like Doom and Quake open source. I guess they get no money.

It is even easier for online games: everything can be open source, but somebody needs to run server. The original developers will likely know how to do it in the best way.

Devcoin promotes free software and for this reason will have the same difficulty getting revenue from programming that it has from writing.

Do not talk about things you do not understand, OK? There are many companies with market cap measured in billions who offer free software.

Venture capitalists don't invest in small scale software projects that could be funded by Devtome.

They do, you just have no idea how it works. I work for a software startup, FYI, and I know a bit or two about this.



Count me in!  I would love to be part of the gaming startup with Devcoin

DEVCOIN IS THE GAME!!!
176  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Devcoin on: June 12, 2013, 02:50:53 PM
Notabot, I can't find your post, it disappeared.

At any rate, good catch.  On one hand maybe its the same guy as 8 minutes apart is a bit fishy, especially for 3 names with similar opinions.

I honestly think it's trolls stalking me. They heard I'm writing for devcoins, all three made accounts real quick, then got as far up my ass as fast as they could before I figured out who they were.

stop spreading lies >> back it up with FACTS!!!!
177  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Devcoin on: June 12, 2013, 02:49:37 PM
I think it might make more sense to limit each group/category to 10%, not just the miners.

Yes. Perhaps like this:

1. Number of shares for each category is limited.
2. Each category has its own person (or several) responsible for bounty allocation.
3. That person should periodically report what bounties were allocated and what tangible results were achieved. Preferably with statistics.
4. If category eats through all shares allocated to it, bounties should be made smaller, or request can be made to increase limit of shares. But in that case request should provide some justification (e.g. explain how it helps to grow market cap) and maybe people (other category managers?) should vote on it.

only developers and DEVCOIN pumpers get paid = word to the wise!
178  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Devtome: Get Hundreds of Thousands of free Devcoins for writing on: June 12, 2013, 08:14:56 AM



 I repeat: Look how well it is working.

backed by lead and media
179  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] TestCoin (TSC) - Testnet ONLY alt-coin, not for production use on: June 12, 2013, 08:10:19 AM
Dropbox-hosted mirror updated in OP.

crashes ...get busy
180  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Devcoin on: June 12, 2013, 07:59:52 AM
It's not just inflation that I'm talking about, I'm saying the idea that somehow Devcoins will become valuable when they are generating at this rate. Inflation by itself isn't an issue unless it's at a rate faster than the market can handle and then the actual purchasing power and pay of every worker shrinks. This is the opposite of what is happening with Bitcoin and Litecoin. With those coins if you write or code and get paid in either of those coins then it's reasonable to believe that a year from now your coins might be worth even more so you might save them. With Devcoin we aren't seeing that trend are we.  So if you're a mathematician explain to me why we aren't seeing the same trend with Devcoin that we see with Bitcoin and Litecoin? Are you saying it's just because of market cap?

So bitcoin is designed wrong?

Remember bitcoin too is designed to produce a constant number of coins for four years.

So until we hit four years we are no different. Since you don't think four years ahead is relevant what are you proposing, a pre-mined coin in which there is no inflation because the Tome owns all coins from block one and if anyone ever wants one they will have to get it from them?

Or You want a instamine coin maybe, half the coins minted the first month, another quarter the second month, another eighth the third month and so on so that in siz months when the problems you expect come along there is already by then no inflation?

You sound like a bit of a nutbar frankly, no different from those who insist bitcoin will die because it does NOT make the same amount of coins forever, except you take the opposite position.

The reason the coin is going down in price is because it is being given out to opportunists who are no different from the miners whose opportunism was limited in DeVCoin by only giving them 10% of the coins.

Maybe a partial solution would be to only let 10% of the coins be written-for just like only 10% can be mined.

Bitcoins have been going down too lately, have you noticed? Same reason: people dumping them. Maybe people are giving them all to asIC companies who are in turn turning them into fiat to buy parts or something, I don't know, but ultimately if the value goes down it traces back to people dumping.

i read a mention earlier that we need people to buy things with devcoin, and was tempted to point out right there that actually a lot seems to depend on WHAT people buy, or maybe on WHERE/HOW they buy it.

The what/how part is because maybe buying fiat is not the core reason the value goes down, maybe the core reason is the fiat is being bought on a certain style of market. Maybe no matter what you buy if you buy it on that format/form of market you inevitably drive price down, because the players who play those markets earn their money by trying to make sure that you need to sell more and more for less and less to sell in volume and need to buy less and less for more and more in order to buy in any volume.

In a lot of ways those markets seem ass-backwards from normal markets. In normal markets if you want to buy wholesale quantities you pay a lower price, not a higher price! Open Transactions uses scales for markets in order to facilititate those kinds of things, things we see in real markets whether you buy rice or potatoes or pig-bellies or iron ingots or almost anything else. Quantity discounts!

So maybe the structure of the marketplaces is as much or more to blame than the specific commodity being bought and sold or being used as "currency" to buy and sell "with".

Even if the newer coins don't even offer much in advancement, if people think they can make more money from them they'll use it. Devcoin has a good intention, and a good idea, but implemented wrong, and designed wrong, these are my opinions.

So writers are like miners, they will jump on each new instamined / insta-written-for coin, there will be a few new coins a day for a while, hmm are there still a few more each day right now, i haven't even bothered to watch, more useless crap blah blah blah. let them, once they have a few hundred wallets maybe they will look back and see writing for a hundred tomes a month is enough, they can afford to drop a couple hundred from their daily grind...

-MarkM-


Confirmed > DEVCOIN SCAM BEWARE RED FLAGS ALL OVER THIS POS
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