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161  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NobleCoin[NOBL] - Redefining 2015 - Colored Coin 'Fuel' [NOXT/NOCC] on: December 01, 2014, 08:02:33 AM
We will still be working with DMD in the future for marketplace/mining services as I believe you are a good team with good intentions but just struggle with balancing real world with crypto. and I know how that feels all too well.

thx for ur understanding
i for sure keep my NOBLE
i know we will work together in future
because we fit perfect together

one coin designed primary as payment coin with high circulation
even burn coins to power NOXT
the other coin focus "storage of wealth solution"
backed  by massive cloudhashing buy pressure to make sure u always will be able to cash out



Good that unfortunate difficulties will not hinder future cooperation.

Let's see how the wallet swaps go - got a good feeling about this.
162  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [Pre-ANN][NOXT] - NobleNXT Proposal/Whitepaper - Noble's 1st Colored Coin on: December 01, 2014, 07:43:19 AM
NobleNXT is on the NXT Asset Exchange: https://trade.secureae.com/#6780060819348751348 Smiley


Great to see that first trade on the AE being done!

Just the beginning Smiley

Awesome!
163  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [Pre-ANN][NOXT] - NobleNXT Proposal/Whitepaper - Noble's 1st Colored Coin on: November 30, 2014, 11:16:22 AM
Looking forward to your successes!

I think it's a shoe in personally Smiley
164  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NobleCoin[NOBL] - Redefining 2015 - Colored Coin 'Fuel' [NOXT/NOCC] on: November 27, 2014, 09:35:13 AM
For those who are not aware, #noblecoin channel on freenode is the public irc channel for this project.
165  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Is CryptoAsian legit? on: November 26, 2014, 05:01:33 AM
Somebody, some random ass kid, asking to be paid to tell people you are trustworthy, when he doesn't have the balls to post  public profile of himself.

'Someone you don't know or trust tell you to pay him to tell others who don't trust him that you are trustworthy'

That sums it up.
166  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [Pre-ANN][NOXT] - NobleNXT Proposal/Whitepaper - Noble's 1st Colored Coin on: November 26, 2014, 04:23:22 AM
I admire your dedication Rofo. You deserve some succes and I think you will be able to put the funds from the ico to good use!

Couldn't agree with you more NorrisK. If there is anyone in this scene that deserves success its Rofo. I just had a chance to check out the teaser of the proposed whitepaper as well... cannot wait to read the rest.

Agreed. It is all very exciting

We are of the same mind Smiley

I think the voting process for the honorable dev award goes online on dec 1st. Let's everyone go out there and vote!
167  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NobleCoin[NOBL] - Redefining 2015 - Colored Coin 'Fuel' [NOXT/NOCC] on: November 26, 2014, 04:21:56 AM
Any thoughts about the noxt burning process? hold? burn? sell? I haven't see anyone talking about it, please share your tactic with us Smiley

If the ico will go as planned (210 btc ico is not much, we have seen few 3000btc ico already Smiley ) 3 things will happen:

1) Burning nobles into noxt will be a very good move since (if) 210 btc were raised and now rofo has something to work with (beside awesome plan and dedication).

2) Noble price will go higher since more people will want to burn. (I will use the btc received to invest directly in noxt in this case)

3) More nobles are burnt - each noble is now worth much more. (those will be used for the next colored coins cycle with much less nobles in circle)

1 say burn.
2 say sell.
3 say hold.

all correct.

what do we do? Tongue

Im going to buy some with BTC, an equal amount with Nobl (at time of start) and rest will be determined on the go. Smiley

Same here.
168  Economy / Lending / Re: Medium Loan Request - 10-15% Interest, 30-45 days, Collateral and Escrow on: November 25, 2014, 02:36:46 PM
All offers have been accepted - loan is now ongoing. Thank you to all those who are participating - the uniform maturity date is Dec 14th, 2014 GMT with respective contract details for each client.


169  Economy / Lending / Re: Medium Loan Request - 10-15% Interest, 30-45 days, Collateral and Escrow on: November 25, 2014, 06:15:15 AM

1BTC loan made to Honeypot at 15% interest, due to longer repayment time-frame and risk analysis.  Final repayment of 1.15BTC to be repaid by midnight GMT on December 14, 2014.  Maidak holding collateral in escrow.  Liquidation condition if repayment is not made on time by the maturity date of December 14, 2014.  Positive Trust will be left by both lender and borrower upon loan repayment and successful transaction completion.

Honeypot, please confirm.

Confirmed.
170  Economy / Lending / Re: Offering INTEREST FREE Loans Up To 1BTC--Collateral and Positive Trust Required on: November 25, 2014, 06:14:24 AM
Take a look here if you will and let me know what you think:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=841349.0;all

1 btc portion is doable.

Please send collateral and terms detail for consideration...

1BTC loan made to Honeypot at 15% interest, due to longer repayment time-frame and risk analysis.  Final repayment of 1.15BTC to be repaid by midnight GMT on December 14, 2014.  Maidak holding collateral in escrow.  Liquidation condition if repayment is not made on time by the maturity date of December 14, 2014.  Positive Trust will be left by both lender and borrower upon loan repayment and successful transaction completion.

Honeypot, please confirm.

Confirmed.
171  Economy / Lending / Re: Offering INTEREST FREE Loans Up To 1BTC--Collateral and Positive Trust Required on: November 24, 2014, 11:59:32 PM
Take a look here if you will and let me know what you think:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=841349.0;all

1 btc portion is doable.
172  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoiners, Stop Worrying About Everything! on: November 24, 2014, 08:55:32 AM
The current crowd is, at best, amateurs.

It will change. Also agree 100% about the article above.
173  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Never buy ico: ByteCent, EQX, Sys, Craig, Vior... on: November 24, 2014, 08:50:37 AM
I think we do have some low marketcap, legitimate projects. Very legitimate projects.

Infazan - can we get a 'legitimate/potentially legitimate projects under consideration' list going also? As much as crypto is inundated with scams and ipo take your money and run scams, there are gems in the sand.


I would personally nominate Rofo (Mr. Jason Curby)'s nobl/NOXT project as the first among them in terms of scope and aim. Let us know what you think.
174  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NobleCoin[NOBL] - Redefining 2015 - Colored Coin 'Fuel' [NOXT/NOCC] on: November 24, 2014, 08:45:07 AM
New paper is out Smiley
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=841741.msg9625047#msg9625047

From #NobleCoin IRC channel (Join us Smiley ):
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[07:09] <Pikuchato> wow, I hope I got it right but does it mean noble/noxt going to have its own payment system? which can be used with every purchase that supports BPAY?
[07:10] <Pikuchato> what is "BPAY - Enabled Bill Received" ?
[08:34] <Pikuchato> So basicly rofo will pay BPAY to use their service?
[08:35] <Rofo> no I wont be paying BPAY
[08:35] <Rofo> ill be running an automated service that allows people to use BPAY with just NOBL/NOXT
[08:36] <Rofo> BPAY is a nationwide service that lets every aussie pay their bills and taxes digitally
[08:36] <Rofo> BTC was the only coin you could do that with recently but they closed up and dont offer it any more
[08:36] <Pikuchato> ohhhhhhhhh ok I get it now
[08:36] <Pikuchato> will this service support btc as well? or just noble/noxt?
[08:36] <Rofo> because its at a fixed stabilized rate also it means you can apply the 'discount' if our price goes below a certain level
[08:36] <Rofo> just nobl/noxt
[08:37] <Rofo> just 'our' coins
[08:37] <Pikuchato> so basicly it is correct to say that the only crypto that can be used with BPAY is noble/noxt? in the future of course not now
[08:37] <Rofo> yes
[08:37] <Pikuchato> wow Smiley
[08:37] <Rofo> im sure more might try in the future though if it catches on
[08:37] <Boreiv> \o/
[08:37] <Pikuchato> I'll read more about bpay I thought it is just a btc gateway
[08:37] <Boreiv> hail hosannah
[08:38] <Rofo> the advantage i always have is im public and ready to apply all tax/legal laws to myself in order to get these things done
[08:38] <Boreiv> shame i don't live in aus
[08:38] <Rofo> its relatively simple but just thought it was another attractive use of the coin, especially at a guaranteed rate
[08:39] <Rofo> 'BPAY is an electronic bill payment system in Australia which enables payments to be made through a financial institution's online or telephone banking facility to merchants who are registered BPAY billers.'
[08:39] <Pikuchato> rofo so after this system will work, is it correct to say you will be able to live in australia and pay *only* with noble/noxt? or it is not thats simple
[08:39] <Rofo> its that simple really
[08:39] <Rofo> you have taxes or a water bill
[08:39] <Rofo> you can pay it directly in noxt at a guaranteed rate
[08:40] <Rofo> the BTC system had no legal or financial/regulatory issues whatsoever from reading all their material (i would like to travel and meet them also next year).. they simply closed up because of the current double taxation issue
[08:40] <Pikuchato> it will take time until people will realise what you are building, I need to read it again myself Smiley
[08:40] <Rofo> which only becomes an issue if you got really big (and then started exploring adverts or something to make up for it) and assuming this loophole is not fixed in the near future
[08:41] <Rofo> the whole approach is relatively simple you just grab everything you can do with fiat

Excellent.
175  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [Pre-ANN][NOXT] - NobleNXT Proposal/Whitepaper - Noble's 1st Colored Coin on: November 24, 2014, 07:02:19 AM
Rofo, honestly, the whitepaper came across as pretentious. It tries to cram too many big words and hip phrases at the cost of readability and coherency - especially the abstract.

I am happy to present the information with graphical/marketing flyers, as mentioned before. Reading the whitepaper will not be mandatory. I apologise if my tone offends or comes across that way.

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I am also still left wondering the need for NOXT in the first place. By piggybacking on NXT's technology, you are actually devaluing NOBL. It also raises the question of NOBL's short term viability.

The need for NOXT:
1) To raise funding.
2) To present a completely different alternative to two camps who either a) hate PoW, and/or b) hate PoS (edit: also to those who love colored coins, love new coins, love NXT, or love distribution done in this manner)
3) To explore a new angle for cryptocurrencies that a current decentralized PoW or PoS coin simply will never be able to achieve - will be better explored in transparency and accountability, industry representation, crypto-governance (was corporate governance) and legality secitons.

You see I also question NOBL's short term viability. If we look at NOBL as decentralized, community-driven, or global then we have a problem. All services, financial burden, legal risks, community concerns and responsibility rests on my shoulders. I do not mean to apply this to you at all, but the general gist of negative feedback I receive over time paints a decentralized community wanting decentralized profit (if shared or pursed by myself then I am labelled a scammer) but centralized responsibility. In all honesty, I can understand why many 'devs' bail on their coin even if they never planned to initially. I've managed to accommodate those now for almost 11 months, with no sign of them easing up. Sometimes I wonder if people are aware of how much altcoin service listings cost, how many daily PMs/information, covering hacks, resolving exchange issues, covering discounts, hosting, presentations, e-mails and meetings are involved here.

This is something I am happy to do and have been for a very long time, however I am no longer happy doing so when I am broke and unable to do so to the best of my ability (while having big dreams) while scammers around me raise 100s of BTC for vapour (often for things I've already delivered for free). So, I needed something new that fit our narrative and allowed me to continue working on crypto (which I love) that could help me with funding, would draw in fresh blood interested in new coins and this approach, but that didn't disrespect NOBL supporters (hence the large burning of NOBL and the offer that if you question NOBL's short term viability you will now have the option to sell or move into something different - as well as the evolution of more NOBL services).

If I were to offer an insured crypto., or one that is legally backed, or legally represented, or that is stabilized, or offers amazing discounts permanently, or that you can use on a dozen services, or a myriad of other things, I can't just market that's now applied to this coin so one should BUY it: it requires funding. I won't be piggybacking just on NXTs technology, I'll be piggybacking on all of them, because this is something that simply does not work on a decentralized, mined (increased supply), unfunded, and relatively insecure blockchain.

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(i) Is Living Room of Satoshi at all aware of you guys?
No. I'd like them to be. In fact I'd love to sit down with Mr. Alexiuc, receive his blessing, and get some personal insights and tips into his story because his idea got a lot of applause. I believe he's now pursuing a new venture however and unfortunately I don't yet have the money to travel and meet cryptocurrency enthusiasts around the country on a weekly basis to help me build what I want.

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(ii) How far along is NoblePay's development?

It hasn't started. I wanted to gauge interest and open a dialogue with BPAY before moving ahead (they are no stranger to the idea and were in communication with LRoS). Generating a front-end page that presents an address and asks for you to send some info. and NOXT isn't exactly taxing, especially since there is no need for high-end security or a hot wallet. If the issue is pushed I can present a front-end beta before the crowd fund really kicks off to prove it's not hot air. All my focus has currently been on the paper and relevant information/discussions.

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(iii) Could NoblePay have been developed outside of the NXT/NOXT platform?

Yes it can, which is why I earlier said it can be applied to NOBL also (albeit not at a guaranteed exchange rate or discount since we have noone volunteering their own money to do so).

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(iv) BPAY charges transaction fees. How is this different from using credit cards? Isn't one of crypto's core appeal is the absence of fees?

BPAY charges a token transaction fee and there are accounts/methods that minimize or remove it completely. There is no difference between using BPAY and credit cards with fees. Yes one of crypto's core appeal is the absence of fees. I didn't state anywhere that NoblePay charges fees nor will it or what's the point. Similar to the Marketplace I've always soaked up the 0.5 to 1% relevant fee and provided the service instead for free for the system I enjoy building. We're on the same page here.

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(v) As you noted in the whitepaper, guidelines released by the Australian Taxation Office stipulates that crypto transactions could potentially be charged GST twice along the sales chain. You seem to indicate that NOXT will absorb the costs (for the first year at least). How did you arrive at the figures cited? A quick peek at BPAY's website shows that the average payment processed is $823. Are you expecting only ~48 people to use the service annually?

I arrived at the figures stated by using the global use rate of the Marketplace over 18 months. I actually don't expect many people to use it whatsoever (I'm not blind to the fact a good majority of this demographic uses altcoins for nothing except pump & dumps and to extract BTC) and overestimated the figures to be sure I would be happy covering a few grands worth as NOXT progressed. It was to exist as another attractive use for Noble when I begin presenting the system and ideas outlined in the paper across Australia. Yes, I will absorb the costs, just I have absorbed the costs for 15% discounts on all global gift cards for almost 12 months. Is it really so alien to people that I have been and continue to be happy to build things and absorb costs (provided they are not unrealistically excessive) in order to make a case and create use-cases for a cryptocurrency? (edit: I apologise if this was not what you were implying. Generally people find it odd that so long as I am able to live and continue working on crypto. I am happy to absorb a certain level of costs)

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What about capital gains tax for consumers divesting their cryptos when making payments, which your whitepaper did not touch upon? Depending on their income level, their crypto divestment might cost them as high as 44.9% in taxes.

I worry about my own tax responsibilities and that gives me enough headache. How other people handle (or not) their tax is not something I concern myself with until the day I'm legally obligated to.

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The whitepaper noted that you expect the Australian government to revise its stance on crypto "in the coming six (6) to twelve (12) months, as young industries often experience conflicting laws that require time to mature. " What is this opinion based on?


It's exactly that. An opinion. Disruptive technologies and industries often experience an era of trouble as law/government tries to wrap their head around it if they don't make it outright illegal. If the double-taxation issue remains then there is zero point for any cryptocurrency in Australia. Crypto is being well-received here and I doubt a roadblock such as that is accepted for too long. Hell I might be wrong, and in that case either the liable tax is absorbed or we wrap that particular service up and concentrate on other aspects.

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Also, how will you address GST compliance requirements since payments will be practically anonymous?

I am liable for those. I report my GST for the service offered. I keep all records of my payments.

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I am not a tax attorney (not even Australian, for that matter), but BPAY seems so far out of reach right now, it's not even funny.

BPAY/cryptocurrency payments have been available here all year. The system has already been in reach, legally-clean, free and working for BTC for some time until LRoS closed up shop due to not wanting to cover the double taxation issue themselves (understandable). LRoS would come back online the second that issue is resolved, however the founder I believe is focusing elsewhere, while I'm still obsessed with crypto. Since I will not be liable for such a high tax bill as they I want to incorporate the service into NOXT/NOBL myself as simply another attractive use case for Australians.

Edit: It's not actually officially linked with nor endorsed by BPAY. It's simply a so far legally accepted service that acts as a middleman for BPAY payments so you can pay with a crypto rather than fiat. Being or replacing BPAY is definitely far out of line, but acting as an intermediary for particular services so long as you're not doing wrong and handling you're responsibilities has so far been accepted.

I hope this clears some things up. Truth be told it was another attractive use I found that was legally acceptable for crypto. and that fit the philosophy of replacing the need to use fiat. Perhaps more sections of the paper need to be released so that the focus is not purely just on one segment (NoblePay) of Utility. I actually feel utility is the least important part of NOXT.

That makes everything quite clear Smiley

I think asking rofo to somehow take your own tax obligations into account is a strange request though :S

176  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [Pre-ANN][NOXT] - NobleNXT Proposal/Whitepaper - Noble's 1st Colored Coin on: November 24, 2014, 01:09:48 AM
From #NobleCoin IRC channel (Join us Smiley ):
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[07:09] <Pikuchato> wow, I hope I got it right but does it mean noble/noxt going to have its own payment system? which can be used with every purchase that supports BPAY?
[07:10] <Pikuchato> what is "BPAY - Enabled Bill Received" ?
[08:34] <Pikuchato> So basicly rofo will pay BPAY to use their service?
[08:35] <Rofo> no I wont be paying BPAY
[08:35] <Rofo> ill be running an automated service that allows people to use BPAY with just NOBL/NOXT
[08:36] <Rofo> BPAY is a nationwide service that lets every aussie pay their bills and taxes digitally
[08:36] <Rofo> BTC was the only coin you could do that with recently but they closed up and dont offer it any more
[08:36] <Pikuchato> ohhhhhhhhh ok I get it now
[08:36] <Pikuchato> will this service support btc as well? or just noble/noxt?
[08:36] <Rofo> because its at a fixed stabilized rate also it means you can apply the 'discount' if our price goes below a certain level
[08:36] <Rofo> just nobl/noxt
[08:37] <Rofo> just 'our' coins
[08:37] <Pikuchato> so basicly it is correct to say that the only crypto that can be used with BPAY is noble/noxt? in the future of course not now
[08:37] <Rofo> yes
[08:37] <Pikuchato> wow Smiley
[08:37] <Rofo> im sure more might try in the future though if it catches on
[08:37] <Boreiv> \o/
[08:37] <Pikuchato> I'll read more about bpay I thought it is just a btc gateway
[08:37] <Boreiv> hail hosannah
[08:38] <Rofo> the advantage i always have is im public and ready to apply all tax/legal laws to myself in order to get these things done
[08:38] <Boreiv> shame i don't live in aus
[08:38] <Rofo> its relatively simple but just thought it was another attractive use of the coin, especially at a guaranteed rate
[08:39] <Rofo> 'BPAY is an electronic bill payment system in Australia which enables payments to be made through a financial institution's online or telephone banking facility to merchants who are registered BPAY billers.'
[08:39] <Pikuchato> rofo so after this system will work, is it correct to say you will be able to live in australia and pay *only* with noble/noxt? or it is not thats simple
[08:39] <Rofo> its that simple really
[08:39] <Rofo> you have taxes or a water bill
[08:39] <Rofo> you can pay it directly in noxt at a guaranteed rate
[08:40] <Rofo> the BTC system had no legal or financial/regulatory issues whatsoever from reading all their material (i would like to travel and meet them also next year).. they simply closed up because of the current double taxation issue
[08:40] <Pikuchato> it will take time until people will realise what you are building, I need to read it again myself Smiley
[08:40] <Rofo> which only becomes an issue if you got really big (and then started exploring adverts or something to make up for it) and assuming this loophole is not fixed in the near future
[08:41] <Rofo> the whole approach is relatively simple you just grab everything you can do with fiat

As I said before, this is big - a crypto currency and assets that can be used to pay bills and taxes digitally for a nation such as Australia.

To think that this is only one of many coming features really makes me wonder if there will be enough to go around for all the buyers Smiley
177  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Do you think coins with IPO/premines will succeed and be popular/mainstream? on: November 24, 2014, 12:10:10 AM
If we're talking approaching truly mainstream then the coin would have to have been around for a decent while and demonstrated utility, security and stability.

If that was in place then the story of its initial distribution will take a back seat.

There are few, actually only two that I can think of that has a decent future. A Real future.

What it ultimately requires is a developer who is serious about making it work and knows how to approach it realistically and with professionalism. Someone who can actually navigate the real world infrastructure and legality/economic environment.


Of course he would have a completely open profile and public identity from the beginning. He would also have to have been around crypto for a long time, certainly longer then a few months.

178  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why Ethererum is dead in the water. on: November 23, 2014, 07:14:06 AM
Didn't they expressly state in fine print that the project may or may not even happen? How could people possibly throw in money to someone who is legally shielding themselves for their potential 'take money and run'?

What makes you think they would waste time doing any work when they got what they wanted and have nothing else to lose? Were they public figures? Were they legally bound to actually even work on their project?

'We stipulate that ethereum may or may not become a viable project' - are you shitting me?
179  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: New coin from GAWminers. What do people think? on: November 23, 2014, 07:11:11 AM
Here is an interesting article. Is GAW lying about its supposed 'partnerships' with big companies? The companies themselves claim they are not involved at all:

https://coinfire.cf/2014/11/22/is-gaw-miners-lying-about-partnerships/

Just going to leave this here.
180  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: THE ALT CURRENCIES BUBBLE IS BURSTING... on: November 23, 2014, 07:04:25 AM
This is the way it has been for months now. People were trying to squeeze out last few drops of inexperienced, gullible bloods and take from pockets of new comers until we get to now where there really isn't any easy money left.


Everything said here is correct.


The real difference makers will be professionals and actual value creators doing their own thing and soliciting investors on their own - and rest of current crowd is either going to be in a very difficult financial/legal/personal safety position and will learn their place soon Smiley

The fact is, pump and dumpers the scammers have ruined 2014 completely and drained the new eager money from all those people who had dreams of becoming rich in few months. They destroyed the scene and are now sitting on stashes of btc that they hope to cash out during the next rise.


Here's the news. Agencies and authorities are watching. They know who the 'players' are. They are perfectly aware of what they can do to these people one way or another. Best yet, they can ruin their chances of profit with their far greater financial and brute force if they really wanted to.

With such people waiting to cash out, you can forget about btc rises until such people are liquidated one way or another. Professional will do their own projects and start their own cryptocurrency fame - and markets will move on to them instead.
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