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161  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ★★★ GameCredits - The future of in-game monetization ★★★ on: February 16, 2018, 06:21:32 AM
How's about a picture of all the team members together or at least at the head-quarter?

Or put them on the teampage
162  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] MOBILEGO Crowdfund [$53 Million] - Decentralized Mobile Gaming Solutions on: February 13, 2018, 11:08:02 PM
this project has become a complete intransparent shitshow with no faks for Vestors given
looks like a 53 Million Dollar Scam.
smh

Scam is a bog word. But investors might feel like this.
I think there is a big failure on communication and management towards investors.

There is a complete lack of information to the community. At the time of the ico the team acted like mgo would be used soon in the products. Q3/Q4 2017 everything would be out and marketed.

if you do a 53 million ico and you can't inform your investors that's a very clear sign of bad management or
lack of interest in your community.

We are keep hearing the same story that it is all a big secret, they can't release screenshots, they can't release info on exchanges etc etc...

Don't forget this guys they have a 150 person team but delivered 0 so far. Sure it takes time to develop but come on don't keep us in the dark
163  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] MOBILEGO Crowdfund [$53 Million] - Decentralized Mobile Gaming Solutions on: February 09, 2018, 09:51:06 PM
well, dont know what to say here. With 53 million dollar collected so far, I do not think that mobilego can work very bad like this. The price cannot be accepted. When will you guys release the big move ?

The price is bad because it isn't on a normal exchange.
I got serious doubts on there efforts on the exchange side.

The thing is that some whales are accumulating massive amounts of mgo at this low price.
In the end it means only 1 things big uptrend.

But yeah so far they didn't do a good job. Development looks kinda slow which is weird for the size of the team.
I would give them till June latest




True!
I am confused why they pay salary to such a big number of emploees with so slow output
Hope they will surprize us with rolling out smth significant!

Some developements can be done in a week and some in a year and more or less. It's up to how far you want to go.
If they achieve billion dollar sustainable business, it is quite reasonable to wait longer than other IMO.

Agreed but at least tell your community a bit more why
Also an exchange would calm the people down and gives them more time to develop.

164  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] MOBILEGO Crowdfund [$53 Million] - Decentralized Mobile Gaming Solutions on: February 08, 2018, 06:07:20 PM
well, dont know what to say here. With 53 million dollar collected so far, I do not think that mobilego can work very bad like this. The price cannot be accepted. When will you guys release the big move ?

The price is bad because it isn't on a normal exchange.
I got serious doubts on there efforts on the exchange side.

The thing is that some whales are accumulating massive amounts of mgo at this low price.
In the end it means only 1 things big uptrend.

But yeah so far they didn't do a good job. Development looks kinda slow which is weird for the size of the team.
I would give them till June latest


165  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] MOBILEGO Crowdfund [$53 Million] - Decentralized Mobile Gaming Solutions on: February 08, 2018, 01:10:04 PM
just waiting on those promised updates, everything should start rolling out soon, trying to get excited for it.

I'm excited for years already  Grin Let those rewards come
166  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] MOBILEGO Crowdfund [$53 Million] - Decentralized Mobile Gaming Solutions on: February 07, 2018, 10:09:08 AM
GAME out forever...? The current team took over and began developing in 2016, this is a public fact. It hasn't been out forever. The payment processor, the mobile store distribution system, the mining client/pc store, GNation, and all of the stuff you haven't seen (which is 80-90% of development) has been done since then. And what you see is a lot different than what we have. I've said since the beginning this isn't going to be a project where you see most of our development. That's not how for profit companies work. I don't encourage anyone to believe me off of faith, that's fine because you'll see soon enough if you stick around. But saying GameCredits has done nothing compared to other projects since 2016 is ridiculous.

Lol.  As if we have a choice to leave with a crashed price and joke liqudity across a plethora of scam exchanges.  You've held all of us hostage when all we did to you was hand you 300 million dollars on a silver platter.  Yeah we want MGO to succeed, but don't act like you haven't completely botched every opportunity to make investors happy from May until now
That's my problem now, I never saw a good price of MGO despite the long period of time but understand that it's a big project and every project has
their timeline to follow. In my case, if I will see MGO pump, I am not still gonna sell because I am into long term, so with the current price or price trend
it help me not to be tempted in selling my holding.


I've had people not understand me in this thread when I say short and long...cause they assume being short means shorting the market or something.

You can be long term without having your money tied up in a gamble of belief for possibly years and years.... If MGO ends up following through with their promises then I can always buy back, and now much much more. But based on the intentional lack of transparency, and multiple milestone issues like news coverage or major exchanges, I wouldn't bet the farm on it if I were you.

That said if it's like $100 who cares just leave it in there.

If it's closer to $10000 that might have started as 16 or so, you might start weighing the odds a bit differently as to whether or not you "believe" that hard...

I'm sure tons and tons of people lost their asses by going long on belief in the internet bubble.... or real estate lul.

I'm just trying to sow a little reasonable doubt due to complete and apparently intentional (MGO apparently doesn't want to run like a crypto foundation but as some corporation the likes of google) lack of transparency. I love mankind and it's killing me watching shills throughout the whole bubble get people to bet their houses on a market they clearly don't understand, despite legendary status. Then when you bust your ass they try and act innocent and say "don't invest more than you can lose"....

You know damn well that caveat is like any other warning that s there for the law only... they shilled you up but then throw that in there as a disclaimer so you can't sue them for essentially hypnotizing someone in an inexperienced position.

I was one of the few telling people to stay away from bitcoin... But no... 100k in a week they says... 7k lol they says....

You are boring us with noob talk without any information. At least I"m asking and telling the things that happened. Can you stop fudding for real
167  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] MOBILEGO Crowdfund [$53 Million] - Decentralized Mobile Gaming Solutions on: February 05, 2018, 03:31:39 PM
I think I've been pretty clear about how exchange listings work.

You apply to list on an exchange, you agree to meet the demands of the exchange, and if they decide to list you, you get listed. That's the process. Exchanges choose to delay or not list coins for an assortment of reasons. It isn't 100% up to a tokens team to get listed on any exchange. We did what we were supposed to do for the exchanges you're talking about, and I'm not being specific so we still have a solid chance of being listed eventually. I'm not hiding behind statements of exchanges, I'm just being careful to avoid saying anything that would jeopardize future listings.

What are the dates you applied for listing on:

Bittrex = ?

Poloniex = ?

Binance = ?

I'm sure you're not braking the rules by sharing the dates when you applied Wink

If I were Jack, I would put you on ignore already.
Respect for him, still responding in a serious way to you.


serious way? I don't see clear answers. But let's wait for the dates that would be a valid response.

In support? Well we made them millionaires I think we could expect a bit more by now.

And Magnet tell that to the 7000 ico investors I think 6990 would disagree with you
168  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] MOBILEGO Crowdfund [$53 Million] - Decentralized Mobile Gaming Solutions on: February 05, 2018, 03:20:19 PM
I think I've been pretty clear about how exchange listings work.

You apply to list on an exchange, you agree to meet the demands of the exchange, and if they decide to list you, you get listed. That's the process. Exchanges choose to delay or not list coins for an assortment of reasons. It isn't 100% up to a tokens team to get listed on any exchange. We did what we were supposed to do for the exchanges you're talking about, and I'm not being specific so we still have a solid chance of being listed eventually. I'm not hiding behind statements of exchanges, I'm just being careful to avoid saying anything that would jeopardize future listings.

What are the dates you applied for listing on:

Bittrex = ?

Poloniex = ?

Binance = ?

I'm sure you're not braking the rules by sharing the dates when you applied Wink
169  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] MOBILEGO Crowdfund [$53 Million] - Decentralized Mobile Gaming Solutions on: February 05, 2018, 03:03:54 PM
Completely agreed about the exchange. I’ve already asked Jack about this a few times with no response. I’ll say it again Jac.. I’m holding big bags that I can’t get rid of because of a lack of a decent exhange with volume. Buying this coin was “my” biggest investment mistake and I’ll swallow it. But to keep us investors that want out with no way out is just fucken wrong. Other coins with less money are getting listed with no problems, but mobilego can’t? It’s either you guys are incompetent or I hate to say it scammers. The least you guys can do if you really cared about the investors that made you guys rich,  is find  a way out for those that want it a priority. You guys already beat us up enough.

To be completely frank with you, you are talking out of your ass right now!

Firsty: Why do you expect the team behind GAME/MGO to owe you anything? You invested in a product that you believed to become something, is that not correct? Was there ever any specified timeframes that you would make x return in y time? If no, then stop acting like there was.

Secondly: How are they keeping investors from getting "out"? I currently see 4 different exchanges that MGO is trading on. 2 of which are reputable and have decent volume.  You clearly have no idea of how things really work when it comes to getting listed, if you had been around over the last 6 months or so you would also know why there's been difficulties with getting listed on certain exchanges, and the GNation team can't be the ones to blame for trying to keep us safer and more secure.

Thirdly: If you really wanted out, why don't you just leave? Are you in desperate need of money? Guess that was your first mistake when you invested... Feel free to send me a PM and I'll take however much MGO you have on you at market value. Let's see just how big your bags are.

EDIT; Calling Jack and/or the team behind MGO/GAME scammers just because you failed in making a quick flip is so utterly stupid and posts like yours makes me wish there was a de-merit option implemented on this forum.

EDIT2; Is this even your real account or are you hiding your main account behind this mask? Looking at your (4 posts) history you have only had negative things to say about MGO, that is all. You should not invest money in to
anything.. come to think of it, it I wonder if you are even of legal age to do so?

Am im sory but ill call you an idiot ATM...

Everyone and i mean EVERYONE who invest in an ICO expect ROI!!!! Dont try to pretend that MGO doesnt owe you a thing. Youre an idiot for saying that. 2 exchanges have decent volume?! Please explain which 2 exchanges are that and what do you consider a decent volume? I guess you investedn 1k$ or maybe not even that....

They failed to comply with the roadmap almost with everything. It is very reasonable to see investors angry and dissapointed..... one of the most promising projects the worst ROI in history for me... only scams are worse.

I would still like to hear why MGO is not on binance...? with money they have MGO should have been on binance months ago. I understand why its not on trex or polo...



Ofcourse you invest in something expecting an ROI, but you also have to understand when something is short term or long term. For me MGO was always a long term game as it has an extremely competent team behind it.

The two exchanges I see are HitBTC and Liqui, or are you telling me that they have no volume at all? If people are not willing to sell (Besides all the people in here "threatening" to sell all of their MGO), that can't be at the fault of the team or of the exchanges. Do you think that buy-support just magically appears out of thin air?

I don't care about your guesses regarding my position/past investments. I'll extend the same offer to you on taking all of your MGO at market value +5%. Offer only valid if you hold more than 20k MGO.

You do know why a roadmap is called a roadmap, right? They are guidelines for what is expected to happen and within what timeframe.. Honestly it sometimes feels like I have to explain things to little children who stole money from their parents and are now throwing a tantrum because they could not get a 275000% return within the first 6 months.

Regarding the funds that MGO raised, would you really prefer that a project raises money and then uses all of that money to get listed on various exchanges leaving the purse empty for more important matters? Last I heard Binance wanted around $1,000,000 to list a coin. That's no chump change.

The ico money is nowadays like 200 million no chump change either and binance listing is not 1 million dollar Wink

The roadmap and whitepaper at the time of the ico was quite clear. Marketing was stated in August and the product was almost ready. This resulted in major delays and the info on this was slim to none.
More things aren't done over time so the negative sentiment is a bit correct.

You are preaching way too positive so I know your relation to this project now. Also you gave Jack a trust score for doing a perfect ICO.
A perfect ICO hasn't people selling at a 50% loss. A perfect ICO would have made the deadlines on the roadmap. And so on.

Like I stated earlier I would like answers on these topics :

You are stating this sentence for months. In all those months MGO could be listed already 5 times!!!!

So why isnt it there

We believe in this project. Sure I'm worried and a bit negative from time to time but we all invested for some ROI or the roadmap.

It seems nothing can be done and nothing is clear in this whole project.

Since we aren't listed on bittrex can you explain after all these months why? (Security?)

How long ago did you apply for binance? Because if you applied months ago and still not listed we all know the reason.

Don't hide behind statements of exchanges or others. You are the communication manager so communicate in clear text please

Also talking about liqui as a decent exchange is an idiot response. A coin with one of the biggest ico's and a 24hour volume of 5-10 btc.

I'm open for discussion but be realistic and fair!!
170  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] MOBILEGO Crowdfund [$53 Million] - Decentralized Mobile Gaming Solutions on: February 05, 2018, 02:24:21 PM
As for listing on Binance. I'm going to leave this screenshot from Binance's listing guidelines. Me not talking about listings is reasonable. Talking about listings, or the process of getting listed can potentially cause a project not to be listed.

https://imgur.com/a/D69yd

You are stating this sentence for months. In all those months MGO could be listed already 5 times!!!!

So why isnt it there

We believe in this project. Sure I'm worried and a bit negative from time to time but we all invested for some ROI or the roadmap.

It seems nothing can be done and nothing is clear in this whole project.

Since we aren't listed on bittrex can you explain after all these months why? (Security?)

How long ago did you apply for binance? Because if you applied months ago and still not listed we all know the reason.

Don't hide behind statements of exchanges or others. You are the communication manager so communicate in clear text please
171  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] MOBILEGO Crowdfund [$53 Million] - Decentralized Mobile Gaming Solutions on: January 30, 2018, 03:47:20 PM
Like this project. That is a technically great coin, not a simple ERC-20 token, team is very professional, whitepaper and project development are clear, also community is huge. The outlook is very positive.


This project is for dare people who want to take risk on a sleeping giant than that is the right place. I also believe in long term this will change the life of all strong believers I think who have some dust than put into this.

That's my hope since ico time
172  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] MOBILEGO Crowdfund [$53 Million] - Decentralized Mobile Gaming Solutions on: January 29, 2018, 08:50:27 AM
If you invest in an ICO, expect at least 1 or 2 years before a ROI.

Captain Hindsight will always show your projects that ROI'ed quicker.
Well... why didn't you invest in them? ... because you can't tell in advance.

So, just hodl and wait for the team to finish their project. They have an excellent track record at GameCredits and GNation already.

Or just dump your coins and move on.

Because we can't get out do you actually even listen?

THERE ARE NO BUY ORDERS!!!!!!

How could we sell 70 million tokens at 3 btc buy orders

I don't know what you are smoking

You sound frustrated.

I was under the impression that you weren't the kind of guy to give these kinds of pathetic responses, but now that you did I'm pretty sure you're a shill working at the GC office.  How disappointing

I don't work for anyone, I retired 3 years ago.

And why this response to Fallenz?

Check his post history...

One week he's hyping MobileGo, the other week he's fudding.

It all depends on wheter he's buying or selling.
Don't fall for that.

I'm not buying for months and months. Sometimes I'm just letting some hot air out. I think I have stated the facts and that different from fudding and trying to buy cheap
173  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] MOBILEGO Crowdfund [$53 Million] - Decentralized Mobile Gaming Solutions on: January 29, 2018, 08:25:10 AM
MobileGo will use a cool new piece of tech that allows it to exist on two blockchains simultaneously, with tokens passing between them as holders wish.

Both the Ethereum and Waves blockchains offer unique functionality. Ethereum’s smart contracts open the way for player-led tournaments that pay out automatically to the winners, amongst many other use cases. Meanwhile Waves allows the easy creation and management of tokens and numerous other facilities around them.

I see someone just read the whitepaper. Anyway, the community has been asking for that bridge for awhile, yet to get a valid response from the admin.

Actually since my token is sold, i will stop posting cos i don't want anyone to claim that am fudding to drop the price. It just sucks to see a project that a lot of us fell in love with be mismanaged as such.

+100 jack says this to us it's all a secret but it will come soon (What he really is saying: sell your coins please once everybody sold we can run away with the 300 million ico money and it will look like we tried without a lawsuit)

Guys they claim 100+ people are working on this project let me tell you the facts:

1. In 8 months they still not shared any development they just paid unity for the partnership

2. 100 people are working on this project..... and 23 people are on the teampage

3. MGO is trading at liqui. Any airdrop coin can trade on liqui. So a 53 million ico is trading on only liqui Cheesy

4. Does anyone know what they are really doing? I don't think so

5. Is there a clear roadmap?

6. Other gaming Ico's are already ahead of MGO (Since they already have a lot of people willing to use the coins)

7. Marketing was stated to start right after the ico now it's changed they will start to market after beta alpha or in other words after 2 years from now

8. Investors are just tools they don't give a shit about you or me

9. After 8 monts they are going to lauch a new version of the store you mean they did some graphic enhancements  Grin 100 people pulled of some graphic enhancements in 8 months  Cheesy

10. What is the story on bittrex there was never 1 single piece of clear communication to the ico buyers

11. They would have an interview with Fox well guess what not happened

12. They said they would be more transparent Cheesy:D:D:D see point 4

the list is long

What I really think that they are doing

1. In 2016 they bought as many gamecredits as possible since it was under 0.01$

2. Lets do an uncapped ico where you get bonus tokens if you pay with gamecredits. Result gamecredits price exploded and the team dumped there coins for millions in profits

3. With all the ico money they made another huge pile of money

4. The team can't run immediately with the money. So slow to no development, no transparency, banning everyone speaking out, and hoping that everyone leaves so they can run away unharmed with the money.

5. Since this didn't work out for 100% they are going to delay and delay so other projects will take over the market. And after 1 year they just say well we can't pull it of so bye

174  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] MOBILEGO Crowdfund [$53 Million] - Decentralized Mobile Gaming Solutions on: January 28, 2018, 10:24:08 PM
If you invest in an ICO, expect at least 1 or 2 years before a ROI.

Captain Hindsight will always show your projects that ROI'ed quicker.
Well... why didn't you invest in them? ... because you can't tell in advance.

So, just hodl and wait for the team to finish their project. They have an excellent track record at GameCredits and GNation already.

Or just dump your coins and move on.

Because we can't get out do you actually even listen?

THERE ARE NO BUY ORDERS!!!!!!

How could we sell 70 million tokens at 3 btc buy orders

I don't know what you are smoking

You sound frustrated.

Correct you should feel the same like we all got robbed in this ico

8000 ico buyers how many are left with a positive feeling?

Maybe 2 people in this thread are still trying to defend it and those 2 are in the gamecredits office like you

Fustrated sure but I will always stick to facts

Facts? Fact is: be patient. The project is heading in the right direction. It's only 9 months since the ICO ended. Development takes time.

It takes time correct. Any proof of development? Only smoke screens no progress reports
175  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] MOBILEGO Crowdfund [$53 Million] - Decentralized Mobile Gaming Solutions on: January 28, 2018, 10:17:20 PM
If you invest in an ICO, expect at least 1 or 2 years before a ROI.

Captain Hindsight will always show your projects that ROI'ed quicker.
Well... why didn't you invest in them? ... because you can't tell in advance.

So, just hodl and wait for the team to finish their project. They have an excellent track record at GameCredits and GNation already.

Or just dump your coins and move on.

Because we can't get out do you actually even listen?

THERE ARE NO BUY ORDERS!!!!!!

How could we sell 70 million tokens at 3 btc buy orders

I don't know what you are smoking

You sound frustrated.

Correct you should feel the same like we all got robbed in this ico

8000 ico buyers how many are left with a positive feeling?

Maybe 2 people in this thread are still trying to defend it and those 2 are in the gamecredits office like you

Fustrated sure but I will always stick to facts
176  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] MOBILEGO Crowdfund [$53 Million] - Decentralized Mobile Gaming Solutions on: January 28, 2018, 10:11:31 PM
If you invest in an ICO, expect at least 1 or 2 years before a ROI.

Captain Hindsight will always show your projects that ROI'ed quicker.
Well... why didn't you invest in them? ... because you can't tell in advance.

So, just hodl and wait for the team to finish their project. They have an excellent track record at GameCredits and GNation already.

Or just dump your coins and move on.

Because we can't get out do you actually even listen?

THERE ARE NO BUY ORDERS!!!!!!

How could we sell 70 million tokens at 3 btc buy orders

I don't know what you are smoking
177  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] MOBILEGO Crowdfund [$53 Million] - Decentralized Mobile Gaming Solutions on: January 28, 2018, 10:06:33 PM
A lot of FUD today.

Beware people, FUD'ers are buyers... and they like them cheap.

Look the biggest mgo shiller in here;)

Funny how facts are called fud

Tell me shilling mgo cult member what part is fud Wink

We lost millions of dollars on empty words by the team

Actually we lost nothing.

MGO ICO price was $0.53 and currently the price is $0.79

Marketcap went from $53 million (ICO) to $78 million right now.

And yes, price was at ~$2 just a few weeks ago, so you could have sold at 400% profit.


At mgo ico time total crypto market cap 70 billion today x8 to 560 billion 800% increase
Mgo launch position top 100 now 3rd page
Products after a year 0

Every coin increased 3/400% since there ico

Mgo hasn't even an exchange. Its trading on liqui everybody can get on liqui

MGO can't even be sold!!!!

Waves MGO even worse

For a top 10 ico in 2017 it is the baddest one

These are facts. Every dumb coin went up like crazy since ico mgo only lost value over and over

Ico price is 0.78$ so stop lying

Even if the ICO price was $0.78 (which it wasn't, even if you got in too late for the bonuses), nobody lost money on his investment.

Stop spreading fake news.

People bought the ico with reasons and a roadmap. What was delivered nothing. Everything delayed.
Crypto investors lost gigantic gains on this project. Launch was 0.00030000 after a year it was 0.00003000

Sure bitcoin gained but so did every other coin except mgo. Buy orders on liqui 3 bitcoin for a 53 million ico

Clap clap yeah we lost nothing you're delusional
178  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] MOBILEGO Crowdfund [$53 Million] - Decentralized Mobile Gaming Solutions on: January 28, 2018, 09:54:04 PM
A lot of FUD today.

Beware people, FUD'ers are buyers... and they like them cheap.

Look the biggest mgo shiller in here;)

Funny how facts are called fud

Tell me shilling mgo cult member what part is fud Wink

We lost millions of dollars on empty words by the team

Actually we lost nothing.

MGO ICO price was $0.53 and currently the price is $0.79

Marketcap went from $53 million (ICO) to $78 million right now.

And yes, price was at ~$2 just a few weeks ago, so you could have sold at 400% profit.


At mgo ico time total crypto market cap 70 billion today x8 to 560 billion 800% increase
Mgo launch position top 100 now 3rd page
Products after a year 0

Every coin increased 3/400% since there ico

Mgo hasn't even an exchange. Its trading on liqui everybody can get on liqui

MGO can't even be sold!!!!

Waves MGO even worse

For a top 10 ico in 2017 it is the baddest one

These are facts. Every dumb coin went up like crazy since ico mgo only lost value over and over

Ico price is 0.78$ so stop lying
179  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ★★★ GameCredits - The future of in-game monetization ★★★ on: January 28, 2018, 09:37:17 PM
You focus now the store which is good yes. But what is with the promised game https://www.pixels.game/ ?

Be more transparent about that. Tell us a release date, give us more information about it please.

You expect a transparent team after months Cheesy
180  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] MOBILEGO Crowdfund [$53 Million] - Decentralized Mobile Gaming Solutions on: January 28, 2018, 09:34:55 PM
A lot of FUD today.

Beware people, FUD'ers are buyers... and they like them cheap.

Look the biggest mgo shiller in here;)

Funny how facts are called fud

Tell me shilling mgo cult member what part is fud Wink

We lost millions of dollars on empty words by the team
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