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161  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: New report on Mt Gox’s missing bitcoins on: April 20, 2015, 06:48:00 AM
There is a more in-depth article with a chart showing the discrepancy here:

http://www.coindesk.com/most-mt-gox-bitcoins-were-gone-by-may-2013-report-claims/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+CoinDesk+%28CoinDesk+-+The+Voice+of+Digital+Currency%29

According to a latest report released by a group investigating Mt Gox's case, the missing bitcoins were stolen from the exchange over a period of time starting from 2011.

Is this description really accurate? The chart displayed on the above article I posted shows that the coins were stolen (either hacked or not) in two distinct events rather than continuously over the lifetime of Mt. Gox. For example, you can see the lines diverge immediately and instantly after the 424,242 BTC transfer in June 2011 followed by a "slipping" of reserves during the first half of 2012. Then the rest of the trend seems normal, save the two events which caused the line to be much lower than it should be:

162  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Charlie Shrem is scammer, watch out on: April 20, 2015, 06:37:38 AM
How many years he would be in the jail cell?

Several months ago, he contacted me and I helped him translate his site from English to Chinese, at that time is he in the jail or he could use computer in the jail?

And his twitter is still active, I guess he can use computer there:  https://twitter.com/CharlieShrem

In China, criminals can't use computer and internet in the jail. So I was curious about that.
I haven't heard of countries that allow the use internet in prison. There are some that allow you to use the computer, for example Anders Breivik, in Norway has one in his cell. Scandinavian prisons are one of the most comfortable in the world, but even there you aren't allowed to use the internet. It would make it easy for people to run their criminal empires Wink

Yeah, so it's weird to see his twitter and website are still updated. I am wondering he is in jail or not, or use internet in the prison.  Roll Eyes

Another speculation: he has an assistant helps him update twitter and website?

Prisoners aren't allowed to have Internet access in the United States but that doesn't preclude them from not being able to maintain blogs, Twitter accounts, or other online channels of information. Check out this blog for example which is (was?) authored by a prisoner serving life imprisonment in one of America's highest security prisons:

http://paulmodrowski.blogspot.com/2011/06/week-of-prison-food-june-25-2011.html

He writes his blog posts on paper which are then checked by authorities before being mailed to someone on the outside who uploads them online. He can also receive mail by readers of his blog too but the process is done in reverse (i.e. your comment online gets converted to a paper copy, is inspected, and then mailed via the post).

How many years he would be in the jail cell?

Several months ago, he contacted me and I helped him translate his site from English to Chinese, at that time is he in the jail or he could use computer in the jail?

And his twitter is still active, I guess he can use computer there:  https://twitter.com/CharlieShrem

In China, criminals can't use computer and internet in the jail. So I was curious about that.
I haven't heard of countries that allow the use internet in prison. There are some that allow you to use the computer, for example Anders Breivik, in Norway has one in his cell. Scandinavian prisons are one of the most comfortable in the world, but even there you aren't allowed to use the internet. It would make it easy for people to run their criminal empires Wink

Yeah, so it's weird to see his twitter and website are still updated. I am wondering he is in jail or not, or use internet in the prison.  Roll Eyes

Another speculation: he has an assistant helps him update twitter and website?

Even without Internet you can post to Twitter or write articles for the New York Times by using the phone

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/03/us/chelsea-manning-joins-twitter/

This is also possible.
163  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin A Tool For CyberCriminals on: April 20, 2015, 06:28:48 AM
hooooooly shit i never even thought about it ... but bitcoin could be used to pay illegal immigrants off book now that you pointed it out ... nevermind the obvious that it's used by cyber criminals drug traffickers and sex criminals , everyone knows that ... is there no crime bitcoin doesn't make easier to commit through obfuscation of the money source ?
How is it easier than just using cash? Illegal immigrants don't always have a steady phone or one with internet, and all the crimes are just as easy with cash.

Provided that the recipient has some way of receiving the bitcoins, then I would think it's easier than using cash but it also brings a lot of downsides as you rightly point out. Cash can still leave a trail which conventional tools used by the government can easily uncover. And when it comes to cybercrimes which is what the OP is about, using cash isn't really a realistic option.

For most people, in order to get cash in the first place, you need to get it from a bank or a bank's ATM, or collect it by doing business activities. This isn't a huge problem if you're dealing with hundreds or a few thousand dollars worth of cash but it becomes unrealistic when you're dealing with tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars. More significantly, the IRS has been known to clamp down on businesses that deal mostly in cash and signs that the business is avoiding taxes by using cash to pay its employees can still be discovered during an audit.

Finally, the IRS also encourages people to report employers who try to avoid taxes by awarding whoever reports it with a small percentage of the seized funds:

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The IRS Whistleblower Office pays money to people who blow the whistle on persons who fail to pay the tax that they owe. If the IRS uses information provided by the whistleblower, it can award the whistleblower up to 30 percent of the additional tax, penalty and other amounts it collects.

Source: http://www.irs.gov/uac/Whistleblower-Informant-Award

With cash, this would be easy for the IRS (and by extension, other branches of the government) to achieve. With a typical Bitcoin wallet, this would be difficult. Even if you had terrible security practices in place and your transactions gave away your identity, it would still be highly difficult to track down and prosecute since conventional tools and techniques that the FBI and IRS use to detect illicit fiat transfers obviously don't work with Bitcoin. And with a properly secured and encrypted Bitcoin wallet, this sort of stuff would be impossible.
164  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How do you enforce a smart contract on: April 20, 2015, 06:14:10 AM
I can only suggest you "Oraclize", this is the site (beta) : https://www.oraclize.it/ . It is based on orisi (http://orisi.org/) and it is not still fully functional, but you can test some 'events' and in the future real autonomous contract (without the possibility of lie of one of the parts).

One big problem with oracles is that by their very nature, they must either be completely trusted or semi-trusted. One of the advantages of smart contracts and the blockchain concept in general is decentralization, immunity to outside attacks, and the lack of a requirement to trust third parties. By using oracles to monitor, verify, and sign claims, you're adding a certain amount of trust into the mix. Sometimes, it might not be a huge issue: e.g. an oracle that monitors the price of a certain asset on a particular exchange and uses publicly verifiable code that both parties in the contract have agreed to beforehand. But not all cases where contracts are required are so clear-cut. Many contracts in the real world rely on data that is sketchy, subjective, or open to interpretation and/or manipulation.

How will smart contracts deal with and enforce such cases?
165  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What would you pay for the keys to the genesis block/address on: April 20, 2015, 05:43:21 AM
I'm definitely not 100% sure about this but don't many altcoins also use the same genesis block as Bitcoin? I believe this was an intentional design built into many altcoins by their developers as a way of thanking Satoshi for having invented cryptocurrencies in the first place. Assuming this is true and also assuming that they don't also suffer from the same glitch that makes these coins unspendable, then having the keys to the Bitcoin genesis block would allow you to have access to the genesis blocks of many other altcoins, no?
166  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Blockchain used as a database storage system for records to replace MYSQL? on: April 20, 2015, 05:30:22 AM
I was wondering has there been anything built that utilizes the blockchain as a database storage system either in Bitcoin or another Alt? Say I run the CMS Wordpress and I have a bunch of users. I want these user records which contain their name/phone/email/address sit on the blockchain and retrievable via the blockchain. It could be encrypted or not. These records can be retrieved within the CMS without the need to store it anywhere on the web server thereby replacing MYSQL. Well not replacing mysql completely, but only store selective data that is important.

Does anyone have something like this yet?

I know it can kind of be done on the Bitcoin Blockchain using OP_RETURN. But that only fits 40bytes at the moment. It's going to goto 80bytes eventually as it seems. Or is there another Alt more suited for this use case? One issue is redundancy, Bitcoin would have the most redundancy as its the most distributed with over 6000 nodes. Other alts could very well die and you'll lose all your data if they dont get more nodes up.

I've dealt with MySQL databases before and sometimes they can grow to become really large. I once had a phpBB database take up 1 GB. Blockchain bloating could be a real problem. Datacoin (link) was an altcoin that served a similar function (storing raw data) and it failed for many reasons, but blockchain bloating was definitely one of them.

And what incentive would nodes have to host this database anyway?

isn't there a pruning setup where you can prune the data after a certain time? say the blockchain can only hold 1-2 gb of data for 1 month and then it deletes it and recycles the storage. thats one way to reduce the bloat.

You would need to find a way to selectively prune some data whilst retaining other types of data. Otherwise, you would have things like blog posts, comments, user accounts, etc. disappear after a certain length of time depending on how often it's pruned. This could probably have some uses but it's not really something that most people would want for their blog/forum/whatever.

It can be developed as a "blogchain" that chain's main purpose is to publish blog posts.
Let's say If I steal someone's blog post on this chain; it'll reject me so I won't be able to post it. Authorship can be verified via public address signing etc.

iThenticate like tools is also needed.

Ps: I've given this example because of mysql & wordpress (blog) relation.

Conclusion, yes it can be done.

I proposed a similar idea about putting forums, imageboards, textboards, BBS systems, microblogs, etc. into a blockchain here. The website-on-a-blockchain idea works best for sites which have low storage requirements and are regularly pruned.

Ps: I've given this example because of mysql & wordpress (blog) relation.

This is off-topic, but I feel like it is unfortunate that Wordpress was built on top of MySQL because it is a very inefficient technology stack based on what's available today. It would have been more appropriate to have built Wordpress on top of a noSQL document database such as CouchDB or MongoDB. Unfortunately, when Wordpress was first designed noSQL databases did not exist.

Back on topic, MySQL is just not just a storage system - it is a relational database. With a relational database system you expect things like records, tables, indexes, primary keys, constraints, yadayadayada ... How are you going to implement these features on top of the blockchain?

Doesn't WordPress also support SQLite as well?
167  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Most Mt Gox Bitcoins Were Gone by May 2013, Report Claims on: April 20, 2015, 05:18:50 AM
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Mt Gox's missing bitcoins were stolen from the exchange over a period of time beginning in 2011, according to a new report released today by a group investigating its collapse.

They were gone long before the company's collapse in February 2014, the report said. Gox had therefore been operating on a fractional reserve basis for most of that time, either knowingly or unknowingly.

The stolen bitcoins had been withdrawn and sold off on various exchanges including Mt Gox itself, and given the timing probably at prices far below the 2013-14 highs.

Tokyo-based bitcoin security firm WizSec, which produced today's update and a previous one in February, has been conducting an unofficial investigation into Mt Gox's collapse based on data pieced together from various leaks, hacks and other sources.


http://www.coindesk.com/most-mt-gox-bitcoins-were-gone-by-may-2013-report-claims/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+CoinDesk+%28CoinDesk+-+The+Voice+of+Digital+Currency%29

http://blog.wizsec.jp/2015/04/the-missing-mtgox-bitcoins.html

Wasn't there one theory that said Mt. Gox began operating on a fractional reserve because of the $5 million fine that they were forced to pay by the government? I think the theory stated that the fine was paid by converting BTC into fiat and when BTC prices skyrocketed, it became increasingly difficult for Mt. Gox to pay it off. Does that theory still have merit today or has it been discredited?

Also, as the article points out, it was proven on June 2011 that Mt. Gox had control of 424,242 bitcoins which was around the same amount that it was supposed to have back then. This is corroborated by the chart in that article. What isn't explained is the massive drop in BTC reserves immediately after that. If you look at the chart, the line for "actual BTC" follows the line for "expected BTC" almost perfectly except for the drop in 2011 which happened just after the 424,242 BTC transfer and a minor slipping in the first half of 2012.

That puts to rest the "slow drain" theory that the exchange constantly lost hundreds of bitcoins per day over the span of many years. If Karpeles and Mt. Gox were unaware of the event in 2011 which caused the expected BTC reserves to diverge so rapidly, then it's very much possible that the discrepancy would have gone unnoticed.
168  Economy / Services / Re: ★☆★ Bitin.io » Instant Cryptocoin Exchange! » Accountless » Sig/Pm Campaign ★☆★ on: April 20, 2015, 04:53:05 AM
Hi hilariousandco. Apologies for not being active for the past 2 weeks. I was a bit busy since I had to move house and get all my stuff organized and taken out of storage. Can I confirm that I am still in this campaign?

Thanks.
169  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Satoshi cashing out 1million BTC on: April 20, 2015, 02:52:04 AM
Satoshi will never sell. If you ever created revolutionary technology after years of efforts, you would treat it as your kid. Satoshi will die before he sells a single BTC, for the goal is to not even need to sell to adquire any commodities.

Satoshi selling any amount of btc for fiat will be like him saying bitcoin has failed and thats never going to happen

It's interesting to note that coblee, the creator of Litecoin actually admitted to selling most of his litecoins long before the bubble in November which saw prices skyrocket to $48:

Quote from: coblee
Thanks! Unfortunately, I don't have that many litecoins. I sold most of them at $0.20 because I thought they were overpriced then. Tells you what I know.

Link: http://www.reddit.com/r/litecoin/comments/1rl63z/from_the_bottom_of_my_heart_thank_you_coblee/

I wonder why we instantly assume that Satoshi selling even a single BTC would equate to an unthinkable betrayal of the community and yet when others like coblee do the same, it's not really considered to be a big deal. Huh

You can't compare Bitcoin's early history with that of Litecoin. The potential ramifications of Satoshi selling 1 million BTC far outweighs the impact of coblee selling his stash of LTC. When Bitcoin was first announced, Satoshi was the only one mining it. Even 1 year after it was created, Satoshi was still pretty much the only person mining it (check out the historical difficulty charts for proof of this). Compare this to Litecoin which was publicly announced on Bitcointalk and already had many people mining it when the genesis block was launched.

Secondly, coblee sold his LTC long before Litecoin even became significant. Had Satoshi sold his coins in 2010 when the price was still mere cents, it would not have the same impact as selling today.

But what about this part:

Satoshi selling any amount of btc for fiat will be like him saying bitcoin has failed and thats never going to happen

Why does coblee selling his LTC not constitute an acknowledgement that LTC is a failure and yet Satoshi selling his BTC does?
170  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Satoshi cashing out 1million BTC on: April 20, 2015, 02:27:16 AM
Satoshi will never sell. If you ever created revolutionary technology after years of efforts, you would treat it as your kid. Satoshi will die before he sells a single BTC, for the goal is to not even need to sell to adquire any commodities.

Satoshi selling any amount of btc for fiat will be like him saying bitcoin has failed and thats never going to happen

It's interesting to note that coblee, the creator of Litecoin actually admitted to selling most of his litecoins long before the bubble in November which saw prices skyrocket to $48:

Quote from: coblee
Thanks! Unfortunately, I don't have that many litecoins. I sold most of them at $0.20 because I thought they were overpriced then. Tells you what I know.

Link: http://www.reddit.com/r/litecoin/comments/1rl63z/from_the_bottom_of_my_heart_thank_you_coblee/

I wonder why we instantly assume that Satoshi selling even a single BTC would equate to an unthinkable betrayal of the community and yet when others like coblee do the same, it's not really considered to be a big deal. Huh
171  Economy / Services / Re: Coinomat.com - Signature Campaign! [STARTED] on: April 18, 2015, 11:31:20 PM
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172  Other / Meta / Re: In-place editing of posts on: April 01, 2015, 11:59:53 AM
That reminds me... One thing that does kind of annoy me is that any links or pictures won't show up properly after a post is edited using that option. You have to refresh the page to see your post properly. It's not a huge deal in most cases but for posts with lots of links or images, it does get rather annoying.

Also I'm kind of surprised to see that some people haven't noticed it. It's a pretty old feature although I guess it can be hard to see especially for those with larger displays.
173  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Hey i new and i need some help on: April 01, 2015, 11:51:04 AM
These ASICs are way too old to be useful today. Just buy some Bitcoins, it's a much better investment!
but i want to make profit
how am i making profit by buying bitcoins ?

The Antminer U2 has a hash rate of 2 GH/s. At the current difficulty, it will generate about .00002 BTC (about $0.005) per day. If you bought it for $30, it will be 16 years before it pays for itself.

The miner uses 3 W. Assuming your electricity costs $0.10/kWH, it will cost $0.007 per day in electricity. It doesn't generate enough bitcoins to pay for the electricity.


Actually even with free electricity, it will probably never pay for itself. You also have to take difficulty increases into account.

USB miners are unique in that the only realistic way to profit from one is to obtain one for free and mine with free electricity. And even then, it's unlikely that you will ever reach the pool's minimum payout threshold.
174  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Can I mine with my y510p Lenovo Laptop? Specs given in post on: April 01, 2015, 11:35:45 AM
Hi. So I have a Lenovo y510p laptop. I recently learned about bitcoin mining and i hear people are making a lot out of it. especially when their electricity is free. which in my case doesn't really matters because my laptop is already running pretty much 24/7. Therefore i don't think I'd be adding to any costs.

The specs of my laptop are:

Intel Core i7-4700MQ CPU @ 2.4GHz
NVIDIA GT755M 2 GB Graphics Card (Pretty decent graphics card as it smoothly runs most heavy graphics games).
8 GB RAM
1 TB Hard Disk

So what do you think? Will I be able to pull it off? Can i earn any money using bitcoin? An estimate on how much would if my laptop stays on roughly 20 hours a day would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers




LOL. Grin

Your 2.4 GHz i7 makes about 50 MH/s. That's good for a CPU but terrible compared to high-end GPUs and ASICs. In comparison, a used Block Erupter ASIC can be purchased for $5 on eBay and is capable of 333 MH/s. An Ice Fury ASIC can be purchased for $5-10 and is capable of almost 3,000 MH/s.

According to this Bitcoin mining calculator, 50 MH/s can generate 54 satoshis per day, 1,540 satoshis per month, or 18,480 satoshis per year assuming that the network difficulty stays the same. 18,480 satoshis is worth just over 4 US cents. Since difficulty tends to increase, it's far more likely that you will get less than this amount.

Your GPU fares better but even so, GPUs are obsolete when it comes to mining and Nvidia GPUs aren't really suited for Bitcoin mining anyway (although they can be useful for mining altcoins - more on that later). The GT755M is capable of ~200 MH/s. This is roughly four times the hash rate of the CPU so you will get roughly four times the coins - i.e. ~16 US cents worth of BTC per year assuming that the difficulty stays the same.

The reason for this is because of ASICs. ASICs are specialized circuits that are engineered from the ground up to perform the computations required for mining bitcoins. General purpose computing hardware such as CPUs and GPUs can't compete with ASICs. Bitcoin uses the SHA-256 algorithm which has ASICs developed for it. You can't mine other SHA-256 coins like Peercoin with CPUs and GPUs either. Litecoin's scrypt algorithm also has ASICs developed for it which means that other scrypt-based coins such as Dogecoin can't be mined with CPUs and GPUs.

However, some coins use algorithms that don't have ASICs developed for it (yet). For example, you can still mine Primecoin using a CPU. For a list of coins where mining with CPU mining makes sense, see:

http://www.cpucoinlist.com/

Also, keep in mind that just because mining CPU and GPU mineable altcoins is less unprofitable compared to mining bitcoins doesn't mean that it's necessarily profitable after electricity costs are taken into account. Even if you normally keep your laptop running 24/7, the increased load on your laptop's components will increase your laptop's power consumption. Even worse, it could also stress your CPU/GPU and decrease your laptop's life expectancy.

Finally, if you do choose to mine altcoins then it doesn't mean that you have to be stuck with it. Don't like darkcoins? No problem. You can trade in your altcoins for bitcoins on any altcoin exchange that supports your altcoin. To find the most profitable altcoin for your hardware, use Coinwarz. A good exchange to trade your altcoins is Cryptsy.
175  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Here's Where 6 of the GOP's Likely 2016 Candidates Stand on Marijuana on: April 01, 2015, 10:43:47 AM
Better late than never. In 2016, young voters who overwhelming support marijuana legalization are expected to return to the polls after their traditional midterm no-show in 2014.

Young voters may support marijuana legalization but old voters don't. And young voters will eventually turn into old voters. The people who currently make the important decisions mostly grew up in the 1940's and 1950's and came of age in the 1960's and 1970's when revolution was in the air. They smoked pot, they resisted the draft, they organized street marches, and then... they settled down and morphed into the yuppies of the 1980's. I predict that the topic of marijuana legalization is something that will be debated for a very long time. The generational divide has always existed and will always continue to exist as long as the fiery torch of adolescence continues to be passed from one generation to the next.
176  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 4 ways Blockchain technology will change the world | VentureBeat on: April 01, 2015, 09:57:23 AM
I posted about Storj in another thread but I'll repost it here:

Using the blockchain to store data has already been attempted by Datacoin and it was pretty much a failure. Storj intends to store entries in a blockchain but will host the actual files off-blockchain. This is a smart move and is probably the only feasible method of getting past the blockchain bloating problem which is what killed DTC. Unfortunately, this means that many of the benefits of the blockchain such as infinite redundancy are also lost.

bit of a stretch  Lips sealed


blockchain tech sounds more like a solution looking for a problem Roll Eyes

Your comment within itself is a stretch, so stretch that it ends up making zero sense unless you want to explain it better.

He's probably saying that the variety of applications that could benefit from blockchain technology are exaggerated and that the proposed benefits don't really exist or aren't significant enough to warrant an entirely new tech. I admit he might have a bit of a point, but the examples given in the article don't qualify in my opinion. Cloud storage, smart contracts, patents, and voting are perfectly well suited applications of blockchain technology (the second one especially).

Nice read, but why not just post the 4 ways here on the forum? It is nothing near a TLDR length and would have contributed nicely to the forum, now it is just generating traffic.

Well the site probably gets most of its money from ads so it would be a bit mean to copy and paste the whole thing even if the source was attributed. Grin
177  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Should Everything Be Decentralized? on: April 01, 2015, 09:32:52 AM
some people don't like decentralization, because it take away the security, you need always to trust a third party with decentralized system, that's the only problem i can see, otherwise decentralization is the future

Can you clarify this point? One of the key innovations of Bitcoin's decentralized consensus model is that it does away with the need to trust third parties in a transaction.
178  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Wordpress Bitcoin faucet ? on: April 01, 2015, 09:11:23 AM
Is it safe to use WordPress for anything involving BTC? There was an exchange called AllCrypt that recently got hacked due to a vulnerability in the WordPress software which resulted in the website losing users' funds and being forced to shut down.

EDIT: Found the link which describes the hack in more detail:

http://www.allcrypt.com/blog/2015/03/what-happened-and-whats-going-on/

Since the OP wants a faucet that pays directly to the user's bitcoin address, I'm guessing this probably rules out scripts which use microwallet services like Coinbox.me and Bitchest.me. Instead, the OP would have to run an instance of bitcoind on a server or use Blockchain's API to process withdrawals. How would this affect the faucet's security (if at all)?
179  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Should Everything Be Decentralized? on: April 01, 2015, 08:23:53 AM
What many people here seem to be missing is that decentralization has a very real additional cost associated with it which would make it uncompetitive against centralized competitors except in very specialized applications. Money is one example where decentralization has concrete benefits over centralized solutions but there aren't that many others I can think of.

Consider YouTube as an extreme example. Could we decentralize that? Well, yes, we can create a decentralized YouTube where the blockchain consists of videos that people have uploaded but the end result would be slow, cumbersome, and above all, bloody expensive. Videos on YouTube are hosted on centralized servers. While a decentralized version would be far less prone to censorship, the fact that every single video would have to copied over and over ad infinitum would mean that the resources required to host even a small collection of videos would make it very expensive to operate. Consider the electricity and bandwidth costs involved across the whole network and you can see how expensive and horribly inefficient the whole thing would be compared to its centralized rivals.

Or if you want an actual real world example, compare Freenet with the wider non-decentralized Internet. Freenet is slow and bandwidth-intensive because websites are copied over and over again and stored on many different computers around the world. In contrast, centralized websites such as YouTube and Facebook are very fast and comparatively far more efficient. Freenet does have its advantages but the wider public likely won't care.
180  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: July 2002: Welcome to the radian economy: I had a dream: Decentralized currency on: April 01, 2015, 07:53:40 AM
Obviously, Satoshi didn't wake up one morning and create the whole idea behind Bitcoin from scratch. What actually happened was a series of multiple developments which built on top of each other. Hal Finney's reusable proof of works was already quite similar to Bitcoin and that was way back in 2004. Adam Back's Hash Cash and Wei Dai's B-Money are even older (1997 and 1998, respectively) and thus more primitive but they still share many of the same characteristics with today's cryptocurrencies. It's interesting to see that the creator of Electrum also had the same ideas and it's not something that I was aware of previously but the news doesn't come as a huge surprise since the concept of decentralized money was a goal shared by many in the cypherpunk scene.

I can see that Voegtlin's proposal looks very similar to these early proposals although the requirement that the private keys of both the sender and the receiver are required for a transaction to occur is interesting. Both his proposal and Szabo's Bit Gold are vulnerable to Sybil attacks which was a flaw that Bitcoin was able to remedy by using proof-of-work as a means of consensus. The other major improvement that Bitcoin had over Bit Gold was its adjusting difficulty algorithm which allowed for fungibility of coins in spite of increasing processing power.

Finally, there isn't enough information about the "decentralized emission system" on that page to verify whether or not it's based on proof-of-work. I can't find any mention of it so I'm curious to know how he would have tackled this problem. I suppose the currency units would be "just there" and initially distributed on a pro rata basis since the presence of an issuing body would make it no longer decentralized.
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