I'm not sure I understand your definition of market cap. Who would decide future price expectation? Lost coins per year? Expected innovation? Future userbase? Those are all completely speculative and unknowable, and not comparable across coins. As an experiment, today I asked 10 lead devs these questions. Guess what? Every one said they expect higher prices, more users, etc.  It's like asking a mother if her child is beautiful--there's no real objectivity to that. This is why I think miner's perspective is very important, as they tend to be loyal to profit over project. Success of BBP isn't just number of orphans--they coin has to appreciate in value to attract investors.

Speaking of losing coins, is there anything that can be done to improve wallet security of BBP? As a miner, I usually keep my wallets cold or at least on a dedicated wallet pc that doesn't mine.  With BBP, I'm having to leave the wallet open, and that same wallet.dat is living on multiple net-connected machines, which doesn't seem optimal for security. I know BBP isn't alone in this mine-by-wallet model, but having just one wallet.dat compromised takes down all my wallets. Any advice, or chance of a paper wallet?

But where is it being passed along to? If all our wallets are sending 99%, someone out there has to be receiving. My wallet receives about 50MB for every GB sent. The ratio just seems off.

My wallet is pushing out easily a Gig of data per day, and is only receiving a small fraction of that.

Minersleep = 500 on purepool. Upnp disabled at the router and no ports forwarded.

Makes sense. My inner five year old thanks you.

Edit: Looks like purepool is back up now. I'm enjoying the utter simplicity of how it works. Two short lines in the wallet config, and done.

Same here, not sure who to contact, as the contact info on the site points back to this thread.

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I'm still having trouble wrapping my head around the tithing concept, at least at the ELI5 level. Let me think out loud and maybe we can work it out.

In the traditional sense, tithing is a sort of 10% tax. If I make $1000 a month, my 10% tithe leaves me with $900.

In terms of Boinc, I'm pledging a certain amount of electricity/computing power, and in return I receive a small amount of GRC/Byteball/DCC/BBP/Neumanium.

In the new concept (as I understand it), I can tithe some percent (let's say 10% again) in BBP, and in return I get some amount of BBP. How much I have no idea, or how to take a guess)

This isn't my opinion, but I think the following is a valid question:

If we're really trying to promote giving, why are we getting a kickback reward for the tithing? If I get Y% reward for tithing X%, wouldn't it be more giving to donate X% + Y%? Isn't effectively our tithe reduced by the amount of our reward? You might say the same for Boinc, but there's no return of electricity--it gets used regardless (kind of like traditional tithing).

This isn't my perception, but I think it should be thought out--that to an outsider, the "giving" part of proof-of-giving, isn't a full give, there's a refund involved. Maybe that's the carrot that gets the giving started to begin with?)

It may be that we need to trick encourage people into giving? But for a coin that is charity-based and Christian-based, it might seem odd to be rewarding giving with the same currency (which brings up donating X + Y%). I would always think, "how am I benefiting directly from this giving, is this right?".

Now one could make the same argument for Boinc, but there are two key differences. Boinc is scientific research, not spiritual in nature. And two, that the payment from Boinc isn't in the same currency coming in and going out. If we are totally honest, it seems that a 10% tithe, after rewards, leaves us with more than 90% left.

I saw grcpool has a page for BBP. Looks like it's going to auto-exchange to GRC, per a majority vote in a poll.

https://www.grcpool.com/about/biblepay

If you think of it, could you dig up that article later and share it here? The 19% number sounds a little off to me. If we start with 100% of a coin, after the first year we're looking at 81%, then 65%, then 53% at the end of the third year, if my math is correct. This would mean about 50% of a cryptocurrency disappears every 3 years? Someone smarter than I, please compute how much BTC is left with a 19% loss per year since its beginning? I'm just having difficulty believing those numbers. If this effect happens smoothly across coins, then it's not much of an advantage to BBP, as there are many many coins that will suffer the same effect.  If the number of users losing their wallets is significant, wouldn't it be safe to assume that a certain number of them would just give up the on whichever coin instead of starting over? Wouldn't this "benefit" have some loss of users as a side effect?

That BBP would benefit by its users losing coins at an even higher rate,  is puzzling to me why it hasn't provided upwards pressure on its own?

Was that you pumping and dumping today? From 9 to to 19 back to 10 sats on good volume.

POBH makes sense, and is easily explained to anyone that's mined before.

To piggyback, why not keep PODC as an option for those that don't like the tithe concept? If it's preferred to use POBH, then make the PODC rewards less proportionally. That way one can go the tithing route, or one can do PODC and accrue other coins/tokens simultaneously, if that's their interest.

This is very interesting. If you don't mind, I'd like to inquire about this with an attorney. At first glance, it seems this kind of business could fall under a number of states' jurisdictions, not to mention international laws. There's a reason why gambling hasn't been fully approved in crypto except in limited fashion (Fun Fair), and I don't the reason is nobody has thought of it before...

It sounds like a very complicated endeavor for them. I would hate to see the hammer come down on them, or this coin.

You make it sound like forum people are untrustworthy, while those who have purchased masternodes somehow knows what's best?

And the rich get richer...

Give it a try now, looks like it's back online. Wolfie the pool operator  can usually be reached via Discord.

Agreed 100%.

So anyone can apply to any exchange for a coin listing? That could be an accidental coin death waiting to happen. I think a lot of coins make the mistake of listing too early or on tiny exchanges, and they pay dearly for it.

I'm still waiting for the masses of people who are desiring and demanding to buy the coin. It's their demand that will tell when it needs to be listed.

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Is there a blockchain explorer for this coin?

This is a good observation. The vast majority of posts on the Trading Discord are "want to sell". Imagine how much more that will be when GPU miners come out to play with BLE. It's inevitable to attract profit-seeking short term miners, but if it happens too soon, it could be disastrous for this new coin.

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I'll still lurk. In retrospect, the error was mine. I took the term community-driven to mean the community decides, not the community does the legwork for the monarch.

There are some really interesting projects out there, with everyone pushing in the same direction, that are actually increasing in market value and trading volume despite the bear market. So I know it can be done, if there's clarity.

Here's hoping BBP will become one of those, with a better use case and more internal cohesion. Best of the best of luck.

Cool stuff. You can't know ahead of time if it will get used, but just making the effort is good. I'm going to be taking a step back from this project for a bit and let some of the dust settle. It's a little too dramatic for my taste, and there are other projects to work on without so much contention.

That's an interesting site you linked. When I went to the card links, it shows this message:
"Sorry, we do not provide our services to US citizens and residents of the USA whether located on US territories or abroad.

We do not offer any of our services to US citizens and permanent residents."

Interesting, you accuse me of a defeatist attitude. Well I guess that's a self-fulfilling prophecy. I don't think I'm the person to continue this line of inquiry, maybe you can find someone with more faith..

BTW, I've only every been pointed to as a realist. But I'm sure there's someone with a more cheery disposition that you can delegate to.

I'll be watching this project with interest. Thanks for reading my post.

I doubt there is a merchant who will agree to take Biblepay, because no one really uses it as a currency.  

I actually looked into the debit card on another project.

Here's a couple of articles with a high level view of debit cards.
https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/302266
https://cointelegraph.com/news/popularity-of-crypto-debit-cards-will-encourage-mainstream-adoption

Here's an article on crypto.com and their debit card.
https://www.cryptoglobe.com/latest/2018/09/100000-crypto-visa-debit-cards-to-be-issued-by-crypto-com/
https://crypto.com//en/cards.html

Here's one that connects to coinbase:
https://www.shiftpayments.com/card

This is one of the most popular cards:
https://bitpay.com/card/

Here's a comparison of different cards:
https://www.cryptowisser.com/debit-cards/

Every card I can find is hooked to bitcoin, bitcoin cash, or Litecoin. There arn't any from a project this small. The only option would be to find a bank who in someway wants to sponsor and do the card through them. Again, quite unlikely.

The only way I could see it working is if it were tied to bitcoin, and then some conversion to BBP. Again, the problem with exchanges. The hop from BTC to BBP would have to be transparent.

Frankly, I think this, like finding merchants to take BBP directly, is something that may work down the road, but feels premature to me. The project needs a much bigger base to take this step. It feels like we're trying to skip steps, but I'm not sure what the next step should be.

Sorry, I think it's a case of "can't get there from here".