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161  Economy / Economics / Re: Can a debt addicted generation survive with technologies like Crypto currencies? on: October 07, 2017, 10:46:23 PM
Bitcoin and other Crypto currencies are developed with limited supply in mind, because it adds to the scarcity over time. You know what the fixed supply cap will be and this can only be changed with a majority consensus. So in theory governments will never be able to adopt a currency that are based on a "Public" Blockchain where consensus is needed to increase the supply cap of the "currency" token.
Ok, so this seems very unlikely, at least right now, but as an exercise in thought, what would happen if "the majority" decided to increase the bitcoin supply?  Everyone assumes that everyone else agrees that the bitcoin cap should remain at ~21M coins.  But given how centralized bitcoin mining has become, it wouldn't be too hard for a few large miners/mining pools to agree that the cap should be higher and then change it.
162  Economy / Economics / Re: When will more retailers accept Bitcoin on: October 06, 2017, 06:40:51 AM
I think the reason why retailers not accepting Bitcoin is its price. Bitcoin has no fixed price. Its decrease and increase every minute and second reason is population using the bitcoins . Its true bitcoin is famous but not much,not every person aware about this currency. Come out of this forum and you will find no one knows about the bitcoins.
I think a lot more people know about bitcoin now, but I'm not sure how many people really understand it or know how to use it.  Anyone who has trouble with computers will likely have trouble with using bitcoin.

Another problem is that while there is a lot of demand for bitcoins, a lot of that is for investment purposes.  If you want more merchants to accept bitcoin, more customers will have to want to use it for purchases.
163  Economy / Speculation / Re: 1 millon for a Bitcoin is this fiction or reality? on: October 06, 2017, 04:56:03 AM
I won't say that $1M/bitcoin will never happen, but if it ever does, it's going to be a very long time from now.  I think bitcoin still has a lot of potential to rise a lot over the next few years, but at a certain point, it becomes harder and harder to keep bidding up the price because there's only so much money in the world.  $1M/bitcoin would mean a market cap of $1M/bitcoin x ~20M bitcoins = $20T.  That's a little more than the GDP of the entire United States.  The only two ways I can reasonably see that happening (other than waiting hundreds of years) is 1) a large enough country actually adopts bitcoin as its official currency, which I don't think is going to happen, or 2) the USA goes through a period of extreme hyperinflation, which results in a much weaker dollar and thus a much higher bitcoin-USD exchange rate.
164  Economy / Economics / Re: What is the best way to invest/grow your Bitcoins? on: October 06, 2017, 04:41:54 AM
I don't trust all these HYIP websites and I'm looking for a more reliable way to invest.
Any suggestions?
Given how bitcoin has continued to increase in value, it seems like simply holding on to your bitcoin is a good investment.  If the long-term uptrend continues, nothing will pay nearly as well.  If you're looking for something more conservative/safer/reliable, then real estate/land is a good way to go.  Even if all of our technology blew up and we went back to the stone age, land would still be useful/valuable.
165  Economy / Economics / Re: Money above all things, Yes or no ? on: October 06, 2017, 04:17:10 AM
I can see that people nowadays are busy searching on money and everything depends on money. People nowadays never go to church just because they would rather earn money rather than praise God. Others do not pay respect to elders  because they earn money for them or richer than them. Well for you, is money above all things ?
Probably yes. When humans made currency official or unofficial in trading anything there begun this phrase money above all things. Nowadays if I don't have money on my own at all I may live a miserable life. Money can buy almost anything. It can even buy love, faith, decision, principle, dignity, truth, religion, government and even our lives. Based on the reality we've seen on television news either you believe it or not it was happening anytime and anywhere and will still happen till next generation of human race. Humans are uncontented it has still on it's mindset like survival of the fittest. The more money an individual have, the more power he/she has and is undeniable that power controls everything on earth. We need money to live most especially in these modern days.
I'm going to have to disagree with this statement.  Money can only buy false versions of at least some of those things.  Money cannot buy love.  It can buy sex, but it cannot buy true, willing-to-sacrifice-for-someone-else love.  Money cannot buy real faith in someone/something/God.  And it certainly can't buy truth.  Objective truth exists, despite what some people seem to say.  People can try to change/hide/manipulate the truth, but in the end, the truth is what is, and that can't be changed.
166  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Will Reach New All Time Highs Just Before The Segwit2x Fork on: October 06, 2017, 03:36:50 AM
I am so excited about the new fork  Grin i am waiting for it, i really want those free bitcoin gold that i am going to receive after that the fork is done. I made a mistake before, i withdrow all my bitcoins before august 1nd, and i was not able to receive my bitcoin cash, so i am not going to make that mistake again, and i will keep my bitcoins so i can receive my bitcoin gold.
it is realy exciting.

Keep in mind that the bitcoin gold fork is not the same as the segwit2x fork.  The bitcoin gold fork is going to happen later this month, and it's supposed to use a different mining algorithm.  I haven't read a lot about it, but my impression is that bitcoin gold is being written off as another bitcoin cash-type fork...in other words, it's not going to amount to much, and it isn't expected to have a large impact on BTC.  The segwit2x fork is coming in November, and there's a lot more uncertainty about who's going to support which chain.
167  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin prognosis on: October 06, 2017, 03:29:36 AM
Hi guys! What do you think, will bitcoin fall  to $ 3000 in the near future?
Can it fall? I think it can but it is not going to happen without a good reason, not even all the China FUD was enough to make bitcoin drop that low, but I think the coming fork may have the strength to make the price drop that low, so if you have the money take that opportunity and buy cheap bitcoin.

Or it could be possible that this fork ends up having the same consequences as the last fork we went through. We saw Bitcoin go up significantly actually from the introduction of Bitcoin Cash.
That is a possibility but for the previous fork only a minority of the miners got out of bitcoin to mine bitcoin cash, but in this next fork it seems a great deal of the hash rate may go to segwit2x and that could cause a lot of problems to bitcoin since the network will be very slow due to the difficulty not adjusting immediately after the fork.
Yeah, there seems to be a lot more concern out there about which way the big players are going to go.  And it's not just about which way they initially choose to go, but also which way they ultimately choose to go, which may not be the same.  If a bunch of entities jump to the new fork, but a bunch refuse, we could end up with a very messy tug-of-war that cause a lot of chaos until things resolve one way or the other.  Hopefully the general direction that everyone is going to take will become clear as we approach the fork.  Otherwise, we may see a huge selloff prior the fork, if no one has a clue about what's going to happen.
Correct I think at the end it is going to come down to which one of the chains is more profitable, if most of the hash rate can move to segwit2x and obtain profits that way then it is possible that they keep supporting that chain for the long term, but if that is not possible, it is possible we are going to see some miners switching chains once in a while looking for the one where they get the biggest profits.
Yeah.  And actually that brings up an interesting question: what would happen if we end up with two coins that each receive about half of the mining power currently dedicated to bitcoin?  Would the price of each coin be about half of what bitcoin is now, so around $2100-$2200?  I guess price and hash rate are going to have to reach some kind of equilibrium after a little bit.  Low price and high hash rate are not sustainable, of course.
168  Economy / Economics / Re: Why have Bitcoin instead of cash? on: October 05, 2017, 05:25:55 AM
Obviously there's still the problem with lack of adoption.  In most places, bitcoin can't be used for everyday expenses.  Until that's fixed, cash will certainly be more convenient.  And then there's the volatility problem.  When prices are going up, that's great.  But when they're falling, that could cause a lot of headaches.  When I take money to the store, I want to know that when I check out an hour from now, the price is still going to be the same.  If I'm using bitcoin and it plunges a few percent in that time, that's a big problem.

Right now, I think bitcoin is a great investment, but it still has a long way to go before it can take the place of cash in all situations.
169  Economy / Economics / Re: What country do you think will recognize Bitcoin as an official currency? on: October 05, 2017, 04:31:23 AM
What do you mean by recognizing bitcoin as an official currency?  Are we talking about considering a legit form of payment, or are we talking about a country adopting it as its official currency?  As other have said, Japan seems to be the furthest along the road to using it as an actual currency.  Given how much they like cutting-edge tech, they will probably continue to lead the world.  If we're talking about bitcoin becoming a country's de facto currency, I doubt that will happen.  It may be recognized alongside another country's own currency, but I don't think it will replace it.  Governments need control over their own currencies or they will end up with economic problems.  Look at the issues that Europe has been having with the Euro over the past several years.
170  Economy / Speculation / Re: is bitcoin bubble? on: October 05, 2017, 04:08:25 AM
Right now there is no bubble. User base isn't much and the target market is big. So whatever price rise is there is genuine according to high demand and a limited supply 650k Bitcoin a year which will keep on halving every four years. This trend will continue for a decade or so with some ups and downs. But a bubble will definitely build up later and will pop out too as demand only can't sustain a market until there is some unbeatable real use. But nothing to worry as for now.
Loot is always there. It's not the reason. It seems to me that the price is stable because whales don't make large purchases. They are slowly buying up coins so as not to unbalance the market. After they buy out the entire volume of coins the price will go up again.
The reason behind the whale controlling the price is small market. There are bulk holders and can easily drive the price. But with time the distribution of bitcoin will get uniform and whale will lose the hold. Whales have nothing to do with bitcoin bubble. Bubble builds up when the only driving factor for the price of a commodity is demand without any intrinsic value. This will definitely happen but will take some years to pop up.
It is extremely unlikely that the distribution of bitcoin will become more uniform with time.  That's not how capital markets work.  As a whole, the rich continue to get richer because they have a significant advantage if they want and know how to use it to manipulate markets, which is even easier in the crypto space because of the lack of regulation.  The more money/bitcoins you have, the easier it is to make more.
I think as well that every distribution of wealth is concentrating on individuls with time. That includes bitcoin.
Those who already have many will have more in the future. I think it is because the rich people have no reason to sell.
Poorer people have to cash out their coins in order to make a living. And those coins go to the rich people.

It’s hard to determine exactly how many people have how much bitcoin because it’s hard to know how many wallet addresses any given person owns, but I think something like the top few percent own like 80-90% of the bitcoins.

In the normal fiat world, rich people have better access to credit at better interest rates for borrowing money, they get better rates and thus more interest when they lend money, they tend to have better access to insider info that makes it easier to invest successfully, they have access to potentially more profitable investments, they have the ability to move smaller markets by themselves which can start rallies or crashes that they can use to their advantage, etc.  Rich bitcoin holders can’t do as many of these things, but they should have the ability to move the markets to their advantage, if they so choose.
171  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin prognosis on: October 05, 2017, 04:07:55 AM
Hi guys! What do you think, will bitcoin fall  to $ 3000 in the near future?

Bitcoin is close to hitting a price that could see a 47 percent correction, according to one analyst, following a huge rally for the cryptocurrency that has led it to record highs. We will see the bottom in start of January, that is when stock markets typically tend to have a correction as well.

Why do you think that the price will hit bottom in January?  At least in the US, stock markets have historically tended to drop in the summer months (on average), and some of the worst crashes have occurred in the September-October timeframe.  This has led to the “sell in May and go away” adage.  Besides, bitcoin marches to the beat of its own drum.  I don’t think there’s much correlation between bitcoin and the stock markets of the world.  If anything, significant stock drops may lead more people to invest in bitcoin and other cryptos.
172  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin prognosis on: October 04, 2017, 03:43:19 PM
Hi guys! What do you think, will bitcoin fall  to $ 3000 in the near future?

Bitcoin is close to hitting a price that could see a 47 percent correction, according to one analyst, following a huge rally for the cryptocurrency that has led it to record highs. We will see the bottom in start of January, that is when stock markets typically tend to have a correction as well.
I would not go by what a single analyst says.  What is his/her reasoning for such a precise prediction?  It's important to read what several analysts think, making sure that you pay attention to what both the bulls and the bears have to say.  It's important to find balance so you can come to your own logical conclusions that are hopefully as unbiased as possible (though of course there will always be some bias).
173  Economy / Speculation / Re: I've noticed something strange on: October 04, 2017, 03:35:43 PM
Getting some free coins is ...
A fork does not give you free coins, the value doesn't come from nothing. It comes from the original coins you had, and the higher the value of the Forkcoin, the lower the value of your original coin gets. Even if both go up, that means it would have been higher without fork.

Read this: Bitcoin Cash Is Not Free Money
I understand what the author in that article is saying, and it mostly makes sense, but it's not necessarily true.  That view is too simplistic and is only guaranteed to be true in a vacuum where people have to invest in something, and the only options are bitcoin and bitcoin cash.  The real markets are much more complicated than that.
The point that I get from that article is the amount you put up from a certain coin and so on through forkcoin? So how about if we use another coin would that be in the same motion too? I'm kinda curious and confused as well regarding this matter. Could somebody from here who could elaborate the thought from the article and make it a brief info to everybody? Anyway,thank you for this information but I have to stay calm for now because bitcoin is tremendously keeping its skyrocketing rate sooner and sooner.
Basically, the author of that article is claiming that anytime bitcoin forks, the value of the forked coin will be subtracted from the value of the original bitcoin.  In other words, the author believes that the total price/value/market cap between the two coins is going to be conserved.  For example, if BTC was worth $4000 before the fork, then BTC + BCH would be worth $4000 after the fork.  So if BCH ends up at $1000, BTC would end up at $3000.

Additionally, the author claims that any value that appeared to be added around the time of the fork would have ended up in the original coin if the fork hadn't occurred.  Using the same example, if BCH ends up at $1000 and BTC remains at $4000, then BTC actually would have risen to $5000 if there had been no fork.

While I think there is a lot of logic and likely some truth to these assertions, I think that reality is much more complex than this.  For example, if everyone decided to invest extra fiat in BCH that they otherwise would not have invested in BTC, then BTC's price would be unaffected by the fork.
174  Economy / Economics / Re: Money above all things, Yes or no ? on: October 04, 2017, 03:16:00 PM
God, family/friends, job/money...that's how things need to be ordered if you want to be truly happy.  Money is a tool--a means to an end, not an end in itself.

I must say, I'm quite heartened by the responses I see here.  Considering that bitcointalk is a forum dedicated to the discussion of money, I honestly thought that more people would be putting too much emphasis on money and neglecting God and other people.  It's great to see that so many people have it right.
175  Economy / Economics / Re: Money above all things, Yes or no ? on: October 04, 2017, 07:08:34 AM
Clichė as it may sound but the famous saying "money makes the world go round" is quite applicable and true for this time. People tend to give money so much value that they forget to give importace to other matters. Living in a third world country, money has given or dictated where you belong and how you should be treated. The thought of it is kind of sad because other things are disregarded when it comes to money.
What's really sad is that this really has nothing to do with what kind of country you live in.  The status that money bestows is just as important in first world countries.  Even though a lot of the poor in richer countries may work just as hard or harder than some of the rich people (I'm blessed not to have had to do it, but I'm sure that working two jobs to make ends meet is quite exhausting), they're still looked down upon by many.  They don't get the same respect or priority that people in the middle and upper classes get.
176  Economy / Speculation / Re: is bitcoin bubble? on: October 04, 2017, 06:56:43 AM
Right now there is no bubble. User base isn't much and the target market is big. So whatever price rise is there is genuine according to high demand and a limited supply 650k Bitcoin a year which will keep on halving every four years. This trend will continue for a decade or so with some ups and downs. But a bubble will definitely build up later and will pop out too as demand only can't sustain a market until there is some unbeatable real use. But nothing to worry as for now.
Loot is always there. It's not the reason. It seems to me that the price is stable because whales don't make large purchases. They are slowly buying up coins so as not to unbalance the market. After they buy out the entire volume of coins the price will go up again.
The reason behind the whale controlling the price is small market. There are bulk holders and can easily drive the price. But with time the distribution of bitcoin will get uniform and whale will lose the hold. Whales have nothing to do with bitcoin bubble. Bubble builds up when the only driving factor for the price of a commodity is demand without any intrinsic value. This will definitely happen but will take some years to pop up.
It is extremely unlikely that the distribution of bitcoin will become more uniform with time.  That's not how capital markets work.  As a whole, the rich continue to get richer because they have a significant advantage if they want and know how to use it to manipulate markets, which is even easier in the crypto space because of the lack of regulation.  The more money/bitcoins you have, the easier it is to make more.
177  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin prognosis on: October 04, 2017, 06:42:13 AM
Hi guys! What do you think, will bitcoin fall  to $ 3000 in the near future?
Can it fall? I think it can but it is not going to happen without a good reason, not even all the China FUD was enough to make bitcoin drop that low, but I think the coming fork may have the strength to make the price drop that low, so if you have the money take that opportunity and buy cheap bitcoin.

Or it could be possible that this fork ends up having the same consequences as the last fork we went through. We saw Bitcoin go up significantly actually from the introduction of Bitcoin Cash.
That is a possibility but for the previous fork only a minority of the miners got out of bitcoin to mine bitcoin cash, but in this next fork it seems a great deal of the hash rate may go to segwit2x and that could cause a lot of problems to bitcoin since the network will be very slow due to the difficulty not adjusting immediately after the fork.
Yeah, there seems to be a lot more concern out there about which way the big players are going to go.  And it's not just about which way they initially choose to go, but also which way they ultimately choose to go, which may not be the same.  If a bunch of entities jump to the new fork, but a bunch refuse, we could end up with a very messy tug-of-war that cause a lot of chaos until things resolve one way or the other.  Hopefully the general direction that everyone is going to take will become clear as we approach the fork.  Otherwise, we may see a huge selloff prior the fork, if no one has a clue about what's going to happen.
178  Economy / Speculation / Re: I've noticed something strange on: October 04, 2017, 06:35:25 AM
Getting some free coins is ...
A fork does not give you free coins, the value doesn't come from nothing. It comes from the original coins you had, and the higher the value of the Forkcoin, the lower the value of your original coin gets. Even if both go up, that means it would have been higher without fork.

Read this: Bitcoin Cash Is Not Free Money
I understand what the author in that article is saying, and it mostly makes sense, but it's not necessarily true.  That view is too simplistic and is only guaranteed to be true in a vacuum where people have to invest in something, and the only options are bitcoin and bitcoin cash.  The real markets are much more complicated than that.
179  Economy / Economics / Re: Where did you first heard about Bitcoins? on: October 04, 2017, 06:26:50 AM
Reading through a number of these posts, I find it very interesting that the vast majority of people here on the forum found out about bitcoin either from friends or family.  Not too many people seem to be saying that they heard about it on the news first.  I'm a little surprised, as bitcoin became quite widely publicized back in 2013.  But I guess that goes to show how powerful word-of-mouth can be.
180  Economy / Economics / Re: Where did you first heard about Bitcoins? on: October 03, 2017, 04:46:53 AM
My brother got me involved at the end of 2013.  It was a lot more fun back then--that was the beginning of the alt coin explosion, and it was worthwhile to mine most of them.  I found the mining part to be the most fun.  But that's not really feasible anymore unless you have ASICs or other specialized hardware.  That, I think, has made it harder for newcomers to get involved in the whole ecosystem.
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