I konw, but i want to see whole order book.

Welcome guys, did you see the InfoMercial about NaVaJoCoin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwvyvCy_XTQ

Second account has been acquired, we now have a reach roughly around 250k.

Does the community have any suggestions for a new name?

I'll quote your message so he can see it and defend himself if he wants.  You know some people came here seeking help early on from the GAW scam and cut our teeth on BCT here in this thread.  I don't think many people expected it to go on as long as it has, so whats you're point he has cred around here and you must have some seriously rustled jimmies to go through his post history and tab out his stats lol my sides @ your rastled jimmes.

You should consider doing some due diligence on trixter.  he's not an unknown. his credentials RE: computers/tech should carry some weight on the tech stuff.  as far as interpreting the totality of facts, that's just more art than science and evey one does it a little differently.

Well there is 50,000 of them so you better catch up before talking shit in here.  And for the people who have been arguing with paycum over the last few pages, the dickhead is referring to the last bunch of DKIM emails published by coinbrief.

He isn't even aware of last nights events.

But what domain was it?  Werent they using google apps for domains?  Wouldnt that mean that google has the private key and not a GAW employee?  I dont know I really did not look into it but I seem to recall a whole lot of google looking webmail things and the fact that all the emails were on google groups indicating that  their email is probably gmail hosted.  

If that is the case then it is entirely likely they are using gmail hosted services they will not be able to see the private key.  Thus any compromise would have to be at google, either from an employee there or someone breaking in and being able to steal their private keys.  

It seems less likely that someone who got the private keys would use them for this.  It also seems less likely that a google employee was the one that either leaked the key to an associate or directly created these emails.

As a result the DKIM signatures are probably legit and not the result of someone faking the emails.

Now if GAW wanted to invalidate the DKIM signatures all they would have to do is change their DNS, if they want it to work for future emails they have to log into  their google admin home page, go to the gmail app, click on settings and then go to "Authenticate Email".  They can issue a new key which will revoke the old one.  They would then have to update their DNS with the newly provided public key.


The assumption that google was not penetrated in a way that led to the compromise of the private keys is a pretty good one though.  Conversely the assumption that GAW had the private key all along is not as strong.  Occam's razor, it is more likely that GAW does not nor did they ever have the private DKIM key.

Immediately?

Look, I've said this about a million times already - any single mistake/broken promise/failed feature/whathaveyou can be explained and apologized for and otherwise swept under the rug. It's the OVERALL picture that we are talking about. Not about Mastercard, but about the pattern of GAWCEO implying partnerships (Amazon, Walmart, Gyft, etc) where none existed. Not about the Honors program, but about the ludicrous promise of a floor and CAF and "moving the market" etc. Not about failing to pay one invoice, but about an inbox full of overdue bills. We could probably go on for 1200 more pages about this.

You don't have a crystal ball, but you have to list the coins that are somehow matured. Bittrex includes almost every new coin. Let those prove themselves in smaller exchanges.
Of course, money is the key answer to that. More trades means higher income without care for customers.

Anyway, thanks for developed system that catches such things that happened in SMAC blockchain.

Well, I'm sure we'll all be here in 2 weeks to witness the miracle  

There is a difference between a scam and really bad business sense.  I think that they formed a cult like belief in paycoin and everyone Josh talked to gave him positive responses so he believed it even more.  I also think that he may have embellished a bit but not outright to just scam people.  For example a deal with mastercard that could have been just like hitting up a bank to issue a mastercard debit similar to how paypal does it (a 3rd party bank issues those cards, paypal just acts as a go-between for payments and funding).  He then embellished it to be a deal *with* mastercard instead of a deal to offer mastercards.  There are programs where they would receive a percentage of the fees charged when its used as a credit card so this  could have been a good money maker aside from the downside of backing it with a volatile coin in an environment where charge backs can take 2 months.  The charge back issue is why I scrapped my bitcoin backed debit card a couple years ago, I cant afford that level of risk although I did initially talk to a few banks about getting branded cards.

As for the investor thing that may be a separate ball of wax with the hope and cult like devotion to paycoin which made him think that he could make good on the promises and leave the investor happy.  This looks more like a hope and prayer business model like a gambler hoping they will win and extremely confident in their ability but ultimately losing.  I read those emails more like he believes if he can just keep it going another week or month then it will take off and all the problems will resolve themselves.  Some of the statements appear to not understand that when taking investment money you cant use the same negotiation tactics that you might use when selling widgets.

The ease of the evidence is most likely merely an oversight.  They did not intend for everyone to be able to view the emails, but rather set up a google groups for their domain possibly without realizing the effect of that decision and their sharing policy.  This shows a tech incompetence more than anything else.

I think that there were some serious misstatements made that can have legal implications but I also know that many people do not realize how careful they have to be when selling products (contract law, FTC regulations, etc) or taking investments (SEC regulations and some criminal statutes).  Exactly what is said, how its phrased, even sometimes down to simple words and what disclosures are required come down to a myriad of laws and regulations (10 regulations for every statute congress passes).  

But what do I know I am not a lawyer I am just a poor poor student looking for work especially in coding, security, administration/engineering, or something else I can do to pay for housing, books, etc while getting my law degree.  Hire me!

This pretty much sums up every single user on Hashtalk....





So you're implying that "some angry employee, hacker, or whoever" can write months worth of emails in 5 minutes? Now that's impressive.

Ah I see, you must be here to replace Vlad

I think it's just the cryptographic proof of the legitimacy of the emails which reveal the scam that cause us to believe its a scam.

But im not judging, its human nature...

Don't think so either, but when it is I will buy it.
For now buying small parts at c-cex, but don't have much and don't want to have much BTC at c-cex.