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161  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: October 13, 2015, 02:23:24 PM

you can always have multiple 'accounts' I guess, so I really don't get your point.

Then I suggest you take out a Cryptonote hedge (or even go all in Wink ). You can always invest in both. That will save you the headache.


I still think that dash could be it, seems to have a big community and a lot of software (smartphone wallet, GUI, ...)
Also, a bigger market cap. So it has a better chance than cryptonote.

But I need to investigate it a bit more. I'm now syncing my DASH client to test it out. I'll try to do some darksend and instantX tomorrow Smiley
I also got some answers on the questions I asked in the monero topic, will also try to test that out in one of the next days, so I can compare.

I still don't really understand how monero works. Thanks to the explanation by Evan, I think most of my concerns are gone, although I need to look at it a bit more:

1) How are the masternode locks enforced in the network? How do you force miners to not mine a double spent transaction?
2) Is it possible that there is a competing locked transaction? If that transaction has a higher fee (double spend attempt), I guess the miners rather confirm the transaction with the higher fee...
3) Masternodes don't get fees to lock transactions? What is the incentive to do the work? How are the masternode rewards distributed? How can the network "know" that masternodes are online and doing the work in stead of just being idle to have a lower bandwidth usage?
4) I wonder how you can have so much transactions per second? (the slide shows 500-1500) I read that bitcoin is limited to 7 transactions per second. I showed that it seems impossible to lock 350 transactions simultaneously with 3500 masternodes, unless you allow overlap. But that should be avoided, because it can happen that a masternode has the power to decide which of the 2 transactions he confirms during a double spend attack.

1.) There is code that scans all incoming blocks for transaction locks when accepting transactions and blocks. This means that a block that contains a conflicting transaction will be automatically rejected.
2.) The answer to this one is 3 fold.
    a. Currently if there are conflicting locks on the network, they will actually cancel each other. 2 conflicting locks doesn't really give miners a choice, it just removes instantX and goes back to proof of work.
    b. The quorums are selected by inputs though, so you'll get the same quorum for the same transaction even with a different fee. This means, they would have already decided and no conflicting lock would be issued.
    c. The new improved way is to use the quorum timestamp, then take the earliest one always.
3.) Masternodes are paid from the blockchain reward, which will be worth more as the services are utilized more. My position is that monetary services of the network should be provided at no or low cost, then we can add on other services over the coming years by financing them from the budget. The masternode network will own Virtual Corporations that are working to expand the reach of Dash. Then they will be paid from the dividends from those companies (a few years off).
4.) DAPI was just one of many components -- it isn't what allows for such scalability  Wink

1) so the transaction locks are part of the consensus rules? That indeed makes sense. Still strange to wrap my head around it, because in bitcoin miners "lock" transactions in blocks
2) a - doesn't really seems safe to accept InstantX transactions  Undecided
b - so what happens in case there are 3 different inputs? Transaction 1  has input A and B, transaction 2 has input A and C. A is being double spend.  are the oracles for the first transaction different from the second one, or is there an overlap?
c - timestamps aren't 100% right all the time and can be manipulated.
3) you didn't answer the question on how the network knows that a masternode isn't idling and doing his job. This seems pretty important!
4) so we need to wait... I hope we know more when the amsterdam vid is online Smiley



edit: this is the main reason I still believe that the DASH network effect is just bigger and dash probably has more chances to succeed:
It seems like this cryptonote thing and dash have a different approach to privacy. need to research more now...

Yes, Cryptonote has so called on-chain anonymity, and DASH has so called off-chain anonymity. They are different approaches aiming to achieve the same thing. The difference is, that the mixing of inputs and outputs (where the money is coming and where it's going) is retained in the blockchain and protected by math in on-chain anonymity, whereas in DASH's off-chain anonymity the mixing is done outside the blockchain by the masternode network and the link between inputs and outputs is not recorded into the blockchain.

I'm not sure if the coming Evolution version will change that though? Evan has hinted that all transactions will be private by default which would imply that there will be some changes to how the anonymity is achieved.

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In the end we're all going after the same thing, a replacement for fiat, that can't corrupted or controlled by any single entity.

Requirements:
- Fungibility - All units of the current must be interchangeable (after sending coins they shouldn't have history attached)
- Speed - The currency must be able to compete with credit cards (1-5 second double-spend proof confirmations)
- Governance - The currency must be governed in a decentralized and decisive way
- Funding - The currency must have a permanent decentralized funding source for development, marketing, legal, etc
- Scalability - The currency must be able to scale to billions of transactions per day with 100% decentralization
- Ease Of Use - The currency must be usable by normal every day people

DASH attempts to fulfill all those requirements above and is actively working towards them, and features currently 4 (and a half as it has a basic GUI wallet I suppose) of them. Cryptonote coins seem to aim only at 1/6th of those requirements of digital cash.


Don't waste any funds on this DASH nonsense.  Its a pre-mined scam built on top of lies.  Anonymity simply does not work.  If it wasnt for the cult followers who are over invested in this pyramid scheme this coin would be dead a long time ago.  Don't turn your CASH into ASH by investing in DASH.
162  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: October 06, 2015, 02:53:57 PM
LOL ... now that is funny!
163  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: October 06, 2015, 02:33:00 PM
Looks like i haven't yet received a response from EvanTheInstaminer  Roll Eyes



This is the final push from Evan TheInstaminer and OTOH the deceiver.  This along with the conference tommorow and BIG announcement is a last ditch effort to save DASH before it turns everyones cash into ASH.
164  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: October 05, 2015, 06:13:05 PM
Dash Evolution : could it bring global digital anonymous cash in handreach ?



edit : yeah i kinda like this picture so i'm reposting it ...


Stop teasing me!  I really want to know what this Evolution is Cheesy

Getting rid of Dark Send.
165  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: October 04, 2015, 06:26:55 PM

This is the way this community has always responded to criticism.  Put their heads in the sand about all DASH problems and hurl vulgar insults at anyone who dares interrupt their circle jerk.

You are just a coward dude. You dont have enough brain capacity to comprehend my words. We all know that you belong to @icebreaker (she is legendary fudder dog). If you have a little brain , use it and try to compile GUI wallet for MONERO. By disparage someone else's coin, cannot glorify your own coin(MONERO). But you and your owners dont have a brain to comprehend this. If you dont like to suck your owner d.ck you can suck mine.

Keep showing us that class of yours sweetpea!! Wink
166  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: October 04, 2015, 06:25:06 PM

This appears to be why I'm not gettin my orders filled.




This looks real bad mate...

Graph shows time period of massive dump.  As the dump progressed less and less "greater fools" to sell to therefore volume decreasing.  Everyone waiting for bottom in the 0.001-0.0015 area.  A long way to go.
167  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: October 04, 2015, 06:05:50 PM

Live in hope.


Exactly.  Thats pretty much all there is left for DASH.  Agree 100%.

But you see you are a hater as well...

I don't understand people that are so full of hate.

Again, I said this to icebreaker and adam,  why do you care what people do with their money?



Because @Thedasher account belongs to @icebreaker or @adamwhite. If you check her all posts, you ll see 178 posts are full of DASH FUD Grin So it means that she doesnt use her brain to write something because she doesnt have a brain . She is just a worthless fudder. Go and suck your owner di.k you idiot fudder Grin


Classy individuals such as yourself are one of the main reasons people with an IQ above that of wood are abandoning this disgraceful project.

I'll agree with you there, no reason for such childish language.

This is the way this community has always responded to criticism.  Put their heads in the sand about all DASH problems and hurl vulgar insults at anyone who dares interrupt their circle jerk.
168  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: October 04, 2015, 05:53:55 PM

Live in hope.


Exactly.  Thats pretty much all there is left for DASH.  Agree 100%.

But you see you are a hater as well...

I don't understand people that are so full of hate.

Again, I said this to icebreaker and adam,  why do you care what people do with their money?



Because @Thedasher account belongs to @icebreaker or @adamwhite. If you check her all posts, you ll see 178 posts are full of DASH FUD Grin So it means that she doesnt use her brain to write something because she doesnt have a brain . She is just a worthless fudder. Go and suck your owner di.k you idiot fudder Grin


Classy individuals such as yourself are one of the main reasons people with an IQ above that of wood are abandoning this disgraceful project.
169  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: October 04, 2015, 05:21:48 PM

Live in hope.


Exactly.  Thats pretty much all there is left for DASH.  Agree 100%.
170  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: October 04, 2015, 04:58:01 PM
When there is blood in the streets.... BUY BUY BUY

And who knows what the bottom will be, but, buy all the way down to it.

Even if you don't like Dash, anyone can make a ton of cash when the bounce happens.

Bounce will be good to make a few bucks but I speculate we are still far from the bottom.  Too many people gave up on DASH because of all the problems it has as well as its toxic community.
171  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: October 04, 2015, 04:44:29 PM
DASH is crashing pretty hard even with McDuff and OTOH pumping as hard as they can, making appearences at conferences and the like.  I speculate we will see 006 pretty soon the question is how low will it go beyond that.
172  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: September 14, 2015, 01:49:34 PM
INSTAMINE ALERT

Attention: The developers and insiders scam instamined over 1.5 million DASH in the first 8 hours of launch then lied about it.

SCAM IN PROGRESS



Number of Dash instamined in the first 8 hours of launch: 1,567,052 or 27.13% of current coin supply (7.83% of TOTAL supply that will ever exist)

Number of Dash instamined in the first 24 hours of launch: 1,868,604 or 32.36% of current coin supply (9.34% of TOTAL supply that will ever exist)

The developer and insider mined 9.34% of tatal coin  first 8hours.
If this fact is true, this coin has 9.34% premine coin.
Is it possible in coin mining schedule ?

this is true and old story.. people wont care

last block with faulty rules:
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/block.dws?4501.htm    500 coins reward

first fixed:
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/block.dws?4502.htm    56 coins reward

Untill 4501 block  about  500 coin generated at each block :about  2,250,000 coin.
That is frontier and dev team 's coin. It can be simillar premine coin
thanks good information.


Intsmaine and coverup.
173  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: August 11, 2015, 03:35:31 PM

Its easy when you have a monster instamine scam to fund development which you attempted to hide from the community.
174  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: August 07, 2015, 08:54:45 PM
Cover story for OTOH will be:  Its not my fault the DASH got dumped, they told me they were going to HODL for sure.  Sorry guys.
175  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: August 07, 2015, 06:05:18 PM
Some of these trolls in here are reaching new levels of stupidity when they are
replying to themselves from one of their really dumb dummy troll accounts and think we
wouldn't notice. Its not only very very stupid but also shows extreme desperation and shortsight.

ajaajaja .. much much desperation AdamWhite aka TheDasher.


New levels of stupidity? Roll Eyes We've only been saying the same thing for months about your scammy little shitcoin fraud scheme.  Looks like more and more parties are taking notice.. Bitfinex being one of them.

You definitely got trolled.. but it wasn't by me or The Dasher. Go cry to Otoh, maybe he'll buy the book up to 0.02 again

Duff and OTOH the biggest trolls around.
176  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: August 07, 2015, 04:24:30 PM
Looks like you guys got fucked right in the ass by OTOH, no reach around, no lubricant, nothing!!  Not even a teeny weeny little kiss.

Its certainly looking like trading based on insde information with a pretty cover story.

LOL you idiots actually think it's being removed due to "low volume"?

It's being removed because it's the most toxic, fraudulent shitcoin in the cryptospere.


Delusional fools will keep saying its a great buying opportunity all the way down to the bottom.

LOL you idiots actually think it's being removed due to "low volume"?

It's being removed because it's the most toxic, fraudulent shitcoin in the cryptospere.

LONG LIVE VNL down with the darkness ;p

Dude stop that spamming shit, both coins have their pros and cons, their followers and haters, both have serious work done and deserve a bright future.

This +1 I don't hold Dash but there is no fucking reason to spam their thread with other coins or fud. If I were a dash holder I wouldn't be worried about getting delisted from one shit exchange, it doesn't mean a thing. I wish coins could coexist peacefully. We shouldn't bitch among ourselves but focus on offering a solid alternative to fiat and banks. Everytime holders from different coins fud and bitch in other threads a banker laughs.

You must be delusional.  Bitfinex was by far the largest and most mature exchange DASH trash was ever listed on.
177  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: August 07, 2015, 03:22:47 AM
lordy - how many times does the 9% have to be explained

Somebody should just make a page on DASHTALK
and be done with it

The History of the 9%

9%?  Whats 2 mill of current emission?
178  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: August 07, 2015, 02:56:46 AM
On the ann. page of BFX:

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Due to persistently low demand for trading in Darkcoin (AKA Dash), we have decided to remove Darkcoin from our crypto-currency trading pairs. Darkcoin trading will terminate on August 31st, 2015 at midnight UTC. Users will have one month - until midnight UTC on September 30, 2015 - to withdraw their darkcoins before all Darkcoin wallets are removed from the site. After removal, any darkcoins not withdrawn will be moved to a separate wallet controlled by Bitfinex, requiring users to contact support to claim any remaining funds.

I don't know if this is already posted here but sounds very bearish to me.



it haven't been posted here I belive. they just posted this. https://www.bitfinex.com/pages/announcements/?id=49

Bitfinex putting the instamined DASH in the Trash!!

Rumor is that Craptsy is delisiting DASH soon too....

You have to admit, OTOH had impeccable timing with dumping his huge DASH bags.  You have to ask yourself if the 'fair and open disclosure' wasn't driven by some inside information.  Perhaps he is the Martha Stewart of DASH.
179  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [BCN] Bytecoin. Secure, private, untraceable since 2012 on: August 07, 2015, 01:43:23 AM
my synchr is go more 5 days (~75%) very slow...
what me do, what my synchr go quick?  
and how pre-mine end?

I used the bootstrap. Process took around 10 hours on an older machine. Once everything is synced the wallet works very smoothly.
and how use bootstrap?

here u go https://bytecoin.org/docs/blockchain/

Hey fool.. have a look at the two threads below and let me know how you feel about your beloved Bytecoin trying to discredit CN competitors by funding Coin Telegraph and dictating artciles published.  It turns out the same scammers are behind most of the failed CN coin launches.

The cat is out of the bag now fool.


https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/3g1x60/who_owns_and_runs_cointelegraph_madbitcoins_live/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3g1rpx/mad_bitcoins_on_twitter_the_truth_behind/
i think, bytecoin wholly compete with Ripple )

Dont insult Ripple like that.  Next to bytecoin Ripple is legit.



I guess thats the end of the circle jerk around here eh?
180  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [BCN] Bytecoin. Secure, private, untraceable since 2012 on: August 07, 2015, 01:02:04 AM
my synchr is go more 5 days (~75%) very slow...
what me do, what my synchr go quick?  
and how pre-mine end?

I used the bootstrap. Process took around 10 hours on an older machine. Once everything is synced the wallet works very smoothly.
and how use bootstrap?

here u go https://bytecoin.org/docs/blockchain/

Hey fool.. have a look at the two threads below and let me know how you feel about your beloved Bytecoin trying to discredit CN competitors by funding Coin Telegraph and dictating artciles published.  It turns out the same scammers are behind most of the failed CN coin launches.

The cat is out of the bag now fool.


https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/3g1x60/who_owns_and_runs_cointelegraph_madbitcoins_live/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3g1rpx/mad_bitcoins_on_twitter_the_truth_behind/
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