It's weird indeed how he changed his mind from fully supportive to his censorship . Still he is free to change his mind like he wants maybe after a couple of years he learned more about this and decided that it is not about BTC or maybe he is actually supportive but simply see BitcoinXt as altcoin . However, enforcing a max block size is safer. It's not totally clear that an unlimited max block size would work. So I tend to prefer a max block size for Bitcoin. Some other cryptocurrency can try the other method. I'd like the limit to be set in a more decentralized, free-market way than a fixed constant in the code, though.
However I want to know something , what are you saying OP Theymos is being paid by who exactly ? The "censorship" is about Bitcoin XT, not about blocksize limit. He changed nothing, he just wants a decent solution that doesn't move the control of the code to just 2 guys. And other than that, BIP101 is a fail, no miner aproves that. |
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The real problem is the security with Bitcoin.
All your money in a file in your computer? This isn't so secure for the common user.
Already happened and will happen again, people losing their HDDs and losing the wallets.
Bitcoin needs an easy way to educate the average joe.
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Well, theoretically if you use the money received trough the reward of mining a block, you're totally anonymous since it will be the first transaction.
But in pratic this is impossible, people can try mixers, sending money to sites and them withdraw it, but none of those options will help you out of getting 100% anonymous of Bitcoin if people know your address.
You can search around, a few thiefs and scammers got "caught" only by reading the blockchain by knowing the address where the stealed money was sent(but still needs a lot of time to do it).
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E tu já viu a viabilidade disso pro lado de quem teoricamente era pra estar vendendo? Tem toda aquela coisa de IPI, transporte seguro da cold wallet e por aí vai.
Fora ainda que tem que cuidar com os idiotas né, capaz de aparecer um cara no PROCON reclamando que recebeu só um papel com um texto todo estranho ao invés dos parafusos.
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Saying that this will make Bitcoin a option isn't correct.
PayPal accepts CC and tranfer money, as of now, there's no way to use a CC to buy Bitcoin.
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Unless someone translate it and point out where it says they are accepting Bitcoin, this post is pointless.
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So you want to increase to reduce later?
Very clever indeed.
Yes, reduce if necessary. What's the problem with this? If technology and adoption won't grow at rates projected, and if all that slack would cause some issues, it would be easy to adjust the future limits downward. But there's no projection. It simply keeps doubling and the network don't grow at that rate. Unless everybody will have Google Fiber 24/7 in a few years and there a mass adption like a big bank acceptin Bitcoin and promoting it, and that will not happen. |
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Irrational fear of controversy, and of the idea of hard forking in the future (i.e. making decisions) is not an adequate reason to push a reckless regime of exponential scaling.
Have you considered that it's technically much better to have generous limits which you can reduce via soft forks if needed, than having the limit set too low and then be forced to do another hard fork to raise it. Also we've already had 32 MB limit in Bitcoin's history and it created no problems. And the fact that Satoshi's idea was to remove blocksize limit entirely when light clients became available. So you want to increase to reduce later? Very clever indeed. |
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This is just the BIP, there's no commit of code yet, or am I blind?
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Interesting project. Still curious if this site is will pay and still doubt if this site looks ponzi scheme or not, because as far as i see the system is like rotation money.
It's a ponzi. It doesn't take a science degree to figure that out. Certainly, since the ones that buys keywords and don't get back 100% from the invested amount wil be given to other keywords owners. |
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Link tá quebrado, tá faltando dois pontos depois do http  |
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I don't know why there still so much war against XT.
XT is a falied project from beginning, even the minted blocks almost have no more BIP101 acceptance, the XT fork will never happen.
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E a tramitação segue a passos firmes:
Pra aumentar imposto ou colocar mais sempre é rápido. |
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Acabei de olhar o BlockTrail e nas últimas 24h a adesão ao BIP100(pelo menos nas "assinaturas" dos blocos) está aumentando. Não necessariamente a maioria das pessoas que apoiam ela, mas é sinal de que pelo menos as mais poderosas estão aderindo. Claro que esse gráfico se passar pra ler a última semana o BIP100 ainda está com o volume muito baixo, mas eu acho que na primeira semana de setembro já vai começar a reverter um pouco isso. :::às 07:50:::  |
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Não entendi. Eu acabei de dizer que chineses apoiam o BIP 100 porque com isso eles podem forçar os blocos a se manterem pequenos. Você está só confirmando o que eu disse ou eu entendi errado sua resposta?
É que, mesmo que a adesão ao BIP100 aparentemente seja entre 30%~40%, não são todas as pools da China que estão apoiando o BIP100. E mesmo que o poderio da china seja grande ela não conseguiria impedir do bloco crescer mesmo que ela colocasse em todos os seus blocos pra ser até menos que 1MB, como tu mesmo leu, os 20% maiores e menores votos são descartados pra reduzir a variação. Não só isso, o tempo que se "vota" é de incríveis 12mil blocos pelo que andei lendo, então isso faz com que mesmo que o "desvio padrão" seja alto, uma média/mediana(não me ficou claro o que ele quis dizer com minimum floor) dos 20%-80% visto que o poderio nos EUA e na Europa já vem se posicionando a favor do aumento. E é como falei, várias operadoras de pool chinesas são a favor, só não querem um aumento estrondoso dos blocos como foi a primeira proposta "tiro cego" de 20MB. Quem falou 8MB que é tão discutido hoje foi justamente as próprias operadoras de pool chinesas. |
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i guess you are right, it cant pass 32 MB.
it would be a problem if in the future we need to surpass that limit, i guess everything that does not contemplate a possible scenario in the future, and it is limited should not be seen as a good alternative Ah well, those are near-mid future solutions. One simple ultimate solution can't be made like a miracle. I'm pretty much OK wih BIP100 even with the recent not-so-FUD of the 21% attack. |
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Problemas: A china se sente prejudicada por blocos grandes porque a internet dela é mais lenta que a dos EUA e europa, então blocos grandes => maior tempo de transmissão => mais blocos "órfãos" na china (o bloco chines leva mais tempo pra ser distribuido, entao o bloco "ocidental" acaba sendo escolhido pela rede). E também a china "domina" o mercado de mineração. Isso tende a manter os blocos pequenos, então talvez o BIP 100 seja equivalente a não mudar nada, ou mudar muito pouco!
Nem todas são completamente contra. Se tu for lá no Blocktrail tem pools com "china" no nome lá apoiando o BIP100. Provavelmente deve ter sido a mesma pool que quando se falava em 20MB falaram que o máximo que aguentariam seria 8MB. |
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Too bad that the devs from XT don't give a f*ck about it and you have to compile on your own or trust someone other than Gavin or Mike. |
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There are some things that aren't clear for me about BIP100, like when it says: The historical 32MB limit remains." So it means that even if miners "vote" to increase block size, it cannot pass 32MB? And I have no idea what calculation he means here: "Miners vote by encoding ‘BV’+BlockSizeRequestValue into coinbase scriptSig, e.g.
“/BV8000000/” to vote for 8M. Votes are evaluated by dropping bottom 20% and top
20%, and then the most common floor (minimum) is chosen" |
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The Bitcoin Core team decided to hold off on block size upgrades until it was properly tested. {Let's not forget these block sizes restrictions where implemented by Satoshi to reduce spam attacks} and also to
Do they have any plan to increase the block size? With the lack of consensus? No. |
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