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1601  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: November 15, 2023, 02:40:17 AM
This time is very different compared with the previous seasons. There are so many clubs competed to get bundesliga this season. I do aware about how some clubs were competing very strict to get into the first place.
I do appreciate there are many clubs who were doing its best. Stuttgart and leverkusen are so amazing at this moment. It can be seen from how these clubs are climbing up but leverkusen seems to be the potential candidate to win the current season.

I think that leverkusen is the main opponent for bayern to get the bundesliga this season. I hope the competition will become even stricter than before.
I don't think it's much different from the previous season and now Leverkusen is the only club that has the ability to compete with Bayern Munich. If in the previous season there was Dortmund, now there could be three clubs competing for the Bundesliga title and perhaps their consistency needs to be seen until the middle of the season. Leverkusen have proven their worth in facing Bayern Munich and despite playing at Bayern Munich's home ground they were able to hold Tuchel's men to a draw.

Leverkusen also managed to beat several other strong teams, so there is a much better chance for Leverkusen to compete with Bayern Munich compared to Stuttgart, RB Leipzig or Dortmund. Alonso just needs to maintain consistent play and avoid injury to several important players in the squad. If he can maintain this, I'm sure their chances of winning the Bundesliga are quite open.

Bayer leverkusen has been showing great performance. And that is because the coach has ultimate belief on his tactics. I don't think in recent times, we actually saw a single team staying at the top of the table, consistently in this competition other than Bayern Munich. Even any team has shown some hope, they have dropped points after 5/6 matches.  Even if we look at the table now, we will see that no other team has actually been consistent. At least not consistent enough to give good competition to Bayern Munich. I would be really happy to see Bayern Leverkusen win the Bundesliga title.
1602  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Would you rather make your investments in FIAT or CRYPTO? on: November 13, 2023, 09:31:18 AM
The crypto market has a high level of volatility. Anyone who is about to make an investment needs to have a good understanding of the volatile market. Now the question is, even with volatility, will you still choose to make your investment in fiat through bank savings with regular monthly interests or rather make your investments in crypto where you hold your asset and still have the opportunity to save and make monthly interest?
I am for crypto because if Am for fiat then I would go to bank but since I am not ? so I choose not just
 crypto but BITCOIN instead so be clarity and better to choose bitcoin on that top. and also sometimes I need to convert fiat for
 Bitcoin and now i am pure bitcoin investor(though I have a little in Bank for my other transactions as there are only few that
accepts crypto here) .


If I were in favor of fiat, I would not join this forum and I believe that everyone here would have the same thoughts as me. OP is asking about choosing between fiat and bitcoin on the bitcoin forum, I would be surprised if someone chose fiat and not bitcoin  Grin Grin. Both have their pros and cons, if someone doesn't want to take big risks and is willing to take low returns then they should stay with fiat currency in the bank. For those who like to take risks in search of greater rewards and want to avoid inflation, and change their lives...bitcoin is the choice. But there will also be some people who take advantage of both to optimize profits as well as ensure their safety.
1603  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin and misinformation on: November 13, 2023, 09:21:39 AM
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It's so true. Today's people want you to have proof to show them so they will believe what you say. Scamming is also widespread today, so we can't blame them for their behavior. Maybe those people that are so hard to believe have experienced a scam before. So if they want proof, just provide it.

There are scammers who can provide more proof than those who don't, so sometimes they are still confused if the proof is real or not. But even so, it's still gratifying because there are still people willing to learn about Bitcoin.

OP is not the only person I see trying to share and educate people about bitcoin after they realized what they were missing with bitcoin. But I think what they should do better is focus on themselves first instead of thinking about bigger things. Because if they have not had any achievements with bitcoin, sharing bitcoin with others will not bring the results they expect. Instead, they should find ways to improve their investments first, and then they will have enough confidence and enough evidence to convince anyone without too much difficulty.
Sad but true, Once you educate a person, they will never believe you unless you have a proof of what you've accomplished in life or how bitcoin affects your life.  It's more like they want to see the reflection of bitcoin to yours before you convinced them that bitcoin is not a scam or what. So for me, it's better to focus in our own crypto journey than sharing it to others, I've done my part and it's up to them if they will going to believe me or not. It's easy for them to make a research, I dont want to spoonfeed others.


We should still share bitcoin with everyone, but let's share selectively , only share with people who are really interested in bitcoin and listen to what we have to say instead of arguing or criticizing us. If we encounter these types of people , it's best to ignore them to avoid wasting time.

I also think it's true, life today is very pragmatic and we should prove ourselves before giving advice to someone to avoid wasting both of our time. As for me , I don't like recommending bitcoin to people because I prefer privacy over being bothered and I don't want to cause trouble for myself.
1604  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What can happen next time due to a lack of proper knowledge about Bitcoin? on: November 13, 2023, 09:00:48 AM
First of all, this would never happen so the problems you raise wouldn't happen either. As others have answered, I am also a crypto investor but I am not too optimistic that cryptocurrencies and bitcoin can dominate the world and completely replace fiat currencies. Cryptocurrency is attracting a lot of attention in the world because of the hype and innovation it brings. But that doesn't mean it will become huge and out of government control to dominate this world . After all, cryptocurrency is just a financial market that will also be regulated by governments and financial authorities.
  The only thing permanent is change, mere things will continue to evolve/undergo changes, we are currently seeing the change in the automotive industry where cars are running with batteries not longer gas. This still fall under the change the world is currently experiencing. The financial sector wouldn’t be left out Bitcoin is seen as the future of the financial institutions if it’s finally gets adopted by the government. The many benefits of bitcoin, even makes it difficult for the government to get rid of it because among their cabal they still have people who still own bitcoin. Bitcoin is going mainstream and it’s awareness as be made publicly for the world to see. It will be really hard for the government to scrape it off. Bitcoin can only go if we the people don’t buy to it. But as long as we the people agree to and accept it is here to stay.
   Investors are moving to Bitcoin because of its decentralization and its potential impact it has to  the market. A lot of seminars and conferences have been held in favor of bitcoin so that people may have insight about what’s going on the space.  Some public functions are now paying using  bitcoin, personally I don’t see bitcoin or cryptocurrency being cancelled. Because of it high in demand plus being one of the most talked about projects for the past years now it’s makes it hard for government to sweep it under the carpet.
In my answer, did you see me say that the government is trying to eliminate bitcoin ? Or will bitcoin die and cease to exist? What I am trying to say is that bitcoin will not be able to completely replace fiat money and dominate the world. You are also hoping that bitcoin will be accepted by the government and thereby help bitcoin become popular , and become more powerful. It means you agree that bitcoin needs government help to become big . So do you think governments will let bitcoin take over and eliminate their fiat currency ? That's what I'm saying, bitcoin and fiat will exist side by side and bitcoin cannot replace or eliminate fiat.
1605  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: November 12, 2023, 03:02:01 PM
Tottenham's performance has deteriorated badly. Despite scoring the first goal against Wolves, Tottenham thought they would play a defensive strategy throughout the match and win the match 1–0. And this is what they were playing for. Tottenham players do not try to attack much. The wolves' attacks were also successfully countered by Tottenham's players. But they were very unlucky. Tottenham conceded the first goal in the 90+1 minute. And in extra time they conceded one more goal and lost the match. It is impossible to say when stability will return to the performance of Tottenham. My guess now is that the Tottenham team will gradually fall further back in the points table.
Spurs finally returned to their original setup and were left unable to move from Wolves comeback and losing in extra time must have been very painful. Everyone realizes that being at the top of the English league standings is not easy, very tight competition can come from even weak clubs. It seems that Tottenham has lost the gas to step on the gas in the standings. Therefore, it is not surprising if they are derailed by unexpected clubs. Wolves managed to make an extraordinary game in the second half, many opportunities were created, giving them a little space to read Tottenham defense.


It definitely looks like Tottenham has started to be pretty consistent. Now the question is are they going to be able to make a comeback? I think they definitely have the capability of doing so. After all, they have been performing well so far. Until the last two matches. So it is not going to be very surprising if they start performing well in the next match again. But the thing is the last two matches were supposed to be bringing them six points. Four points in the worst-case scenario considering the recent form of Tottenham. But when they bring zero points against relatively weaker opponents, it raises a lot of questions about their future.
1606  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: November 12, 2023, 02:41:44 PM
Juventus have won in their last 5 matches. I think Juventus has a good chance of winning the title this season, but at least Juventus must continue to perform consistently like this because Inter is still performing well in Serie a.

We will see Inter's match tomorrow if Inter wins again Juventus will return to second place, this should be a fairly easy match for inter because it will be playing at home and Frosinone is not a tough enough opponent for Inter.
Slowly but surely, Juventus is rising to the top of the Serie A standings, it is too early to say that they will win the Scudetto, although if you look at Juventus' current journey, it is possible to get it.
Juventus often wins by a narrow score in every match, their performance is not too striking but they are quite consistent which means they can now be at the top of the Serie A standings this season and besides that they are not playing in European competitions so Juventus can fully focus in Serie matches alone, that's an advantage too.

And what you have to remember for this season is that the fight for the Scudetto looks like it will be very fierce because on the other hand the Inter Milan team is also very strong, so I think every team is required to be able to maintain its consistency until the end of the season.

Many Serie A teams since the previous season have not been able to maintain their consistency, as this season has happened to the AC MIlan team, this also creates an advantage for Juventus and Inter Mian to be able to further widen the gap in points on the standings, but both teams You shouldn't be careless about this either.
And I think that the position of leader of the standings will be ousted again if Inter Milan wins this week, it's not a big problem, the important thing is that now Juventus can match and compete for that position.

Juventus is currently at the top of the table and in the first position. But the problem is Inter has played one match less compared to Juventus. So if Inter is able to win that match, it is going to be a problem for Juventus because they won't be able to stay at the top of the table in the first place. But they will still be in second place, and the point difference is very minimal.  So there is no reason for anyone to think that Juventus is not going to be able to win the league title or stay at the top of the table in the first place. The difference in points is a little bigger with other teams. So currently the only problem seems to be Inter.
1607  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Moment of truth on: November 12, 2023, 11:17:20 AM
I like this sentence fragment "I did dabble with altcoins and learned soon after that it was a mistake, it wasn't slow". Currently, many altcoins seem to have reached the bottom of their market cycle and many still like to spin in altcoins during reversals.
Mostly people who dabbled in altcoins ended up having their same hands burnt. Altcoin investment is driven by the fact that early bitcoin investors are if still holding their coins, millionaires at the current price. They think that same price rise is coming up for altcoins, but this is a wrong assumption. Bitcoin is one of a kind and its success will not be replicated by any altcoin, whatever their vision might be.

Eventually these people understood their folly and moved away from cryptocurrency and not even bitcoin was touched by them. Those who have been in this community for long know what potential bitcoin has and hence it is the only coin to buy.
I do not encourage people to invest in altcoins because of the risks involved, but what do you say about ETH? Because it is also an altcoin or BNB...and many other altcoins have also been bringing huge profits to many investments. I really don't know what the future holds for those altcoins, but so far it's clear that if people invested in them from the early days, the returns they received were no less than those who invested bitcoin early. Altcoins are very risky , many people have lost money because of it but not all, mate. Many people have become rich thanks to altcoins and even shitcoins like doge.
1608  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: what if bitcoin becomes inferior on: November 12, 2023, 11:07:14 AM
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If it is not create by the government, it will pass through the same phase to grow into what is known and used as bitcoins and it will still experience rejection for a while, but by then bitcoins must have been at its best. Most of the creators who are trying to create something better than bitcoins have not been able to yet, because they have only been able to create more altcoins. Except it is another financial system, Bitcoin will always remain the number one in cryptocurrency.
In essence, Bitcoin will be invincible as a system that uses peer-to-peer technology in its operations without a central authority. Even if someone else finds a system that is more powerful than Bitcoin, Bitcoin will still be different from the great system that person discovered.

A number of coins that already exist in the crypto space numbering in the tens of thousands with systems designed with their respective advantages cannot yet compete with the greatness of the Bitcoin system.
Without Bitcoin, all these types of coins would not exist. Bitcoin is the best even in the future.

I believe your type of thinking is also that of the government, they also think that nothing can be better and threaten their fiat because fiat has also dominated this world for hundreds of years. But then bitcoin appeared under their contempt until they learned that it was completely superior to fiat and it was too late to stop it .

Our world is constantly evolving and better things will always appear with time. Many bitcoin maximalists are more crazy about bitcoin than their god , but they also need to accept the fact that anything is possible. Satoshi is not the only genius in this world, and we should expect and embrace the world's development instead of expecting it to become obsolete.
1609  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What can happen next time due to a lack of proper knowledge about Bitcoin? on: November 12, 2023, 10:57:52 AM
Well, don't you think if the whole world is dominated by cryptocurrency or bitcoin, then some people will face a huge problem?
 

First of all, this would never happen so the problems you raise wouldn't happen either. As others have answered, I am also a crypto investor but I am not too optimistic that cryptocurrencies and bitcoin can dominate the world and completely replace fiat currencies. Cryptocurrency is attracting a lot of attention in the world because of the hype and innovation it brings. But that doesn't mean it will become huge and out of government control to dominate this world . After all, cryptocurrency is just a financial market that will also be regulated by governments and financial authorities.
1610  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: French Soccer League Predictions and Discussion Thread (Ligue 1) on: November 11, 2023, 05:09:56 PM
Nice has just slipped yesterday this indeed very dissapoint result because i expect them can be playing more consistent and occupy first place much longer but they were just failed to win at Montpellier home ground and now it's PSG turn to taking advantages from that result because PSG only have 2 difference points below to Nice and Reims performance actually was quite stable because they only lose once from 6 matches but PSG is too strong for them especially PSG want to utilized this match to bounce back after defeated by AC Milan on champion league but PSG squad conditions a bit not good because if i am not mistaken their players Randal Kolo Muani and Hakimi will not in the squad because of card accumulation and these players is important players for PSG so hopefully losing them will have not any affect for PSG performance later

Nice was just very unfortunate in their match with Montpellier yesterday, though it isn't easy for them to continue is such an impressive form so far in the Ligue 1, but however it is better they drew the match than lost it, I think Nice is the only club that hasn't lost a match since the season began so they have been doing great job and deserves some credits.

The match between Reims and Paris Saints German might seem very easy for PSG to win but let's not forget that Stade Reims has also been performing well that's why they are occupying the fourth position so however any side can win this match regardless that PSG will put more effort and energy in this match in other to be at the top of the table so let's see how it goes today.

Nice definitely made a big mistake. Because now they are going to find it really hard to actually be able to retain the first position of the table. They might actually not be able to do that at all, to be honest. Because now PSG is at the top of the table, and it is going to be really hard to knock them off from the first position. And for some reason, I am starting to think that the competition that I thought I was going to say in this season in this league is going to vanish. Probably PSG is not going to make any big mistakes or give the position to anyone else.
1611  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: November 11, 2023, 03:29:36 PM
Girona has been performing awesomely well this season, actually there performance these season is never like before because there last 10 matches was a commendable matches for them by wining 9 of there matches and lose only 1 to Real Madrid, actually Girona has really surprised me by there performance this season because I never imagine Girona to be leading La Liga table for sometime now when we have other big teams like real Madrid and Barcelona.

Girona have been in an impressive form so far but however let's see if they will continue in this consistency when they face more competitive clubs like FC Barcelona and Atletico Madrid, remember the lost to Real Madrid that is a major contender in the title race.

So far as football is concerned, changes are meant to occur so Girona topping the table for sometime now shouldn't sound as a surprise because the lesser teams are meant to grow thats why it is a competition so the title race isn't programmed for a specific club but rather to any club that shows more resilience than other clubs, it isn't gonna be a new development if a strange team that hasn't been a league contender wins the league, infact it will even make the league more competitive.

This was a good comeback from Girona. They were able to win this match, even though Rayo was the team to break the deadlock in this match. Able to score in the fifth minute of the match. But in the end, Girona was able to score twice in this match and the final score of the match was 2–0. And of course, it was in favour of Girona.  I have to say, the way they have performed in. This season has definitely impressed me. And so far I think I can say that they definitely deserve to be at the top of the table.
1612  Economy / Economics / Re: New business idea. on: November 11, 2023, 01:51:31 PM
This is a good idea but will not work for worldwide market because groundnut oil is not used throughout the world, even within a country groundnut oil is used based on regions, for example in India it's used in southern part of India wherein north, west and east have there own staple and they prefer different oils like mustard oil and all. Most commonly used oil is sunflower oil as it's used throughout the world wherein organic groundnut oil is more expensive than sunflower oil but it has its own health benefits so it can be advertised and sold for health conscious customers but I the problem is the people will go for the one which is more cost effective unless they are from first world countries.

I have been to the groundnut manufacturing plants and it requires lot of efforts and proper procurement of raw materials, I would suggest you try at smaller scale but it involves a hefty machine costs, we can give a try at small scale after going through proper training not just by going through a random YouTube videos.

Just a suggestion from my end, try utilizing dry vegetable power business as wel it's not as difficult as groundnut oil but profit yield is more
Peanut oil is not more popular than sunflower oil or some other oils because it is more expensive , but that does not mean its business will be difficult. In my country, only people with a good income or rich people use this type of cooking oil, so there are still some people selling this product and they have many advantages in business. Although customers are quite picky, in return they do not face too much competition so they still bring in a decent income. Don't think that if the product is not popular, it will be difficult to do business, because a successful business requires many factors, not just the product .

Not only cooking oil business but any business field needs a market and we need to conduct a thorough survey before opening a business. OP just gives an idea, you are the one to judge whether the product is suitable for your area or not. OP doesn't live in your country, he can't know what the demand is there.
1613  Economy / Speculation / Re: Will it Hold? BTC Targets $40,000 on: November 11, 2023, 01:37:11 PM
Holding 37k up to now and yes 40k is sooner to be broken again , its just waiting for the final blow, let those taking the correction serious and selling , let us continues to hold for the future effect .

maybe 45k is near the table , I will be happy watching this to happen.

Breaking 40K is still a big question now that we notice the sudden weakness of the bulls when reach the 35K area. We are currently on 37K and possibly reaching 40K in quick manner but I doubt that we can easily make 40K as support and aim for higher resistance since everyone is just trading because of the optimism on ETF approval which is still uncertain.

Bitcoin halving is still almost half year from now so I’m expecting more price action of correction rather just a big continuous like what happened before. I believe Bitcoin will always have a major correction whenever 30k, 40k, 50k and so on will be achieved.

Correction is inevitable and we should be prepared for it rather than surprised when it happens. I just checked the fear and greed index and it's still at 70, which is pretty high. That shows that the market is very optimistic and people are also very optimistic about ETFs, but this is not bull season yet so it is very normal for bitcoin to adjust, even a large correction.

I'm not pessimistic, but personally I'm waiting for a correction to happen so I can accumulate more bitcoin for myself. Many people would say that's not very wise because bitcoin is unpredictable, but I'm confident in my prediction.
1614  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: A Simple Reason Why Bitcoin is not Money on: November 11, 2023, 01:20:16 PM
Bitcoin can be used to exchange goods, can be used for payment even if it is not legalized by the government, as long as there is an agreement between buyer and seller , bitcoin is called money. I don't understand why the OP and some others are saying that bitcoin is not money when it can do anything that fiat can do.
When Bitcoin is functioned as a money in a country, it is not as simple as you think, buddy. Legality is a must, even if both buyer and seller agree, it is still illegal if the government doesn't allow the Bitcoin for a payment tool. It happens in my country, Bitcoin is illegal for a payment tool. You can use Bitcoin for an investment purpose only (digital asset). If you use it to pay for goods or services, you will be jailed or get fines. Our laws only allow our national currency (Rupiah) for the payment tool. So, in this matter, we have no chance to function Bitcoin as the money in my country.

When bitcoin was created, it was already a currency , a p2p currency that was not controlled by the government .And to be a currency,  it just needs to be able to do anything that fiat can do , and bitcoin can do everything that fiat can do. The only difference between fiat currency and bitcoin is decentralization and centralization as well as government legitimacy. So , it would be incorrect to say that bitcoin is not a currency.

It will be a bit inconvenient if the government does not accept bitcoin as a currency , and we will use bitcoin secretly, but that does not mean it is not a currency. Just like many years ago, the government even banned us from investing in bitcoin , but are you quietly investing in it and considering it as an investment?
1615  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: A Simple Reason Why Bitcoin is not Money on: November 10, 2023, 03:14:38 PM
I consider Bitcoin as loads of things including money, the difference is just that it doesn't function the traditional way.

The single fact that it leverages on a blockchain technology driven by codes makes it become, first, a code, before it becomes a network and then a coin having a dollar value backing it then it becomes a store of value and loads more, depending on who is addressing it as what.

I also consider bitcoin as money, the difference is that fiat money is only for traditional transactions which are without collateral and we are forced to use it. In contrast to bitcoin, apart from many things, bitcoin is also future money that cannot be faked and is honest money.

because I believe we are still the first generation, now is the right moment to enter because in the future we will just reap the results. Especially now in the age of technology, all information is quickly conveyed to many people, so I don't think there's a need to wait a long time to get the results.

Bitcoin can be used to exchange goods, can be used for payment even if it is not legalized by the government, as long as there is an agreement between buyer and seller , bitcoin is called money. I don't understand why the OP and some others are saying that bitcoin is not money when it can do anything that fiat can do.

Not only that, it can also serve as an investment, a hedge against inflation and even turn us into our own bank without having to rely on anyone . Bitcoin is not just money, Bitcoin is also a versatile asset.
1616  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is the Choice of Investors on: November 10, 2023, 03:00:10 PM
Bitcoin seems too hot and very popular in crypto which makes it become the first choice of investors while altcoins are just an additional option. If we are looking for a safe investment, nothing can beat Bitcoin.

Remembering 10 years ago while Bitcoin is not yet gaining popularity and hype, only a few see its potential while the majority are just ignoring this. But it has changed already after it hit a huge market pump making huge investors and social media influencer talks about it. It was the potentiality of the project and its use case brought such changes in the entire crypto market.

If we say investment in crypto then Bitcoin is the best cause we are all know that there are many successful investors shared thier testimony on how they make a good profit in Bitcoin and that's the reason why other small investors want to invest in Bitcoin too. Cause they will know that in the near future they can earn a lot of profits.  And Also Bitcoin is tye safest cryptocurrency interms of long-term.
But we must always remember we need to study first Before we enter in the world of investment.
If we only discuss the cryptocurrency market , it is clear that bitcoin will be the first and top choice of most investors because of the level of safety and significant profits it brings . But as I see , what OP is trying to say is that bitcoin is the choice of every investor in the world when compared to other investments . I think this is not entirely true because many people still reject bitcoin and have never invested in it . Currently , it can be said that bitcoin is still not the preferred choice of every investor.
1617  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Whatever happens, hold on to your Bitcoin. on: November 10, 2023, 02:47:12 PM
There is growing excitement in the Bitcoin community following the gains recorded by Bitcoin. The reason for this growth is hardly unconnected to rumors of Bitcoin ETF approval. Have we thought about what will happen to Bitcoin price should all the ETF get rejected? I don't want to imagine this but whatever happens, hold on to your Bitcoin.

There have been bull run without Bitcoin ETF and there will always be bull run even if the ETF is rejected. So even when the market temporarily nosedives if the ETF is rejected, do not panic. Once again, hold on to your Bitcoin and do not panic.

I agree with you that bitcoin could go up even without an ETF, but it should not be denied that what is happening is not related to the ETFs. The market is very bullish on ETFs and what is happening is the impact of news related to ETFs. Certainly, bitcoin will still recover and increase in price without ETFs, but if the SEC rejects ETFs again, you will see the bitcoin plummet immediately. We should continue to hold bitcoin no matter what happens but don't think that bitcoin will be unaffected by this news.
I have no reason to give up on bitcoin even though the ETF is rejected, because bitcoin's growth cannot be stopped at this time plus we are almost approaching the bitcoin halving of course the price will continue to increase.

Only people who don't fully understand bitcoin experience panic and even have doubts about bitcoin. For me, the SEC and ETF are also people who really like to create drama, from physical wars to digital wars. Rest assured, bitcoin will still skyrocket and nothing can stop it.

Nothing can stop the growth of bitcoin in the long term, but in the short term we should not deny that the Fed, SEC, interest rates , or ETFs will not affect bitcoin, that is not true. Bitcoin is also part of the world economy and those people are the ones who control this economy so they will also have an impact on bitcoin .
I don't know if the ETF is important for bitcoin, or whether it will have a positive or negative impact on bitcoin. But one thing I'm pretty sure of is that ETF are inevitable whether we like them or not.
1618  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: November 09, 2023, 04:14:17 PM

Bayer Leverkusen is not going to have any problems in the upcoming few matches, to be honest. I don't know if they are actually going to face any challenges before facing Dortmund. And even when they are playing against Dortmund, I don't expect them to lose. Because the performance Dortmund is showing right now is just very inconsistent.  And on the other hand, Bayern Leverkusen is the most consistent team in the Bundesliga this season so far. Even better compared to Bayern Munich. I don’t think they will have to worry too much about the upcoming matches.
In terms of strength, Bayer Leverkusen is already very strong this season and they just need to maintain their consistency, and in my opinion whoever Bayer Leverkusen's opponent in the Bundesliga will not be too burdensome for them, Bayer Leverkusen this season is able to withstand the series against Bayern Munich, the strongest team in the Bundesliga so that can be done. is a benchmark, and for the next few matches against Dortmund it will certainly be fierce because it is a match for the top team in the Bundesliga, but Bayer Leverkusen's percentage of winning the match is still quite large.

Yes absolutely true. They have weathered the storm that Bayern Munich brought. And that is enough indication for at least me to consider them one of the best competitors for the title. So far what we have seen from them, I think we can easily say that they have the capability of performing well even against bigger opponents. But one thing I have always been saying and I will say again is that they should try to keep their players, healthy. They should really be careful so that none of the players actually get injured. Because that seems to be the only thing that might actually cause them problems
1619  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Whatever happens, hold on to your Bitcoin. on: November 09, 2023, 03:21:44 PM
There is growing excitement in the Bitcoin community following the gains recorded by Bitcoin. The reason for this growth is hardly unconnected to rumors of Bitcoin ETF approval. Have we thought about what will happen to Bitcoin price should all the ETF get rejected? I don't want to imagine this but whatever happens, hold on to your Bitcoin.

There have been bull run without Bitcoin ETF and there will always be bull run even if the ETF is rejected. So even when the market temporarily nosedives if the ETF is rejected, do not panic. Once again, hold on to your Bitcoin and do not panic.

I agree with you that bitcoin could go up even without an ETF, but it should not be denied that what is happening is not related to the ETFs. The market is very bullish on ETFs and what is happening is the impact of news related to ETFs. Certainly, bitcoin will still recover and increase in price without ETFs, but if the SEC rejects ETFs again, you will see the bitcoin plummet immediately. We should continue to hold bitcoin no matter what happens but don't think that bitcoin will be unaffected by this news.
1620  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Holding for long might not be the best option. on: November 09, 2023, 03:03:01 PM
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So what's your sudjestion on this.

Don't buy at the top.

Don't buy just because of FOMO (fear of missing out), that's why many investors are waiting for too long because they bought at the peak price. And they never lose any money while waiting, their Bitcoin stays in their wallet, but the price is not the same, so technically, if they wait for the next bull run, they will make a huge profit if they have a big patient as well, simple as that.

If you buy bitcoin for $69k in 2021 and sell bitcoin during the 2025 bull season for $100k, do you think that's a huge profit? Meanwhile, you have to hold for 4 years and only get back x2 accounts, do you think that is worth what we have to trade?

Investing requires knowledge and clear planning, we should not invest blindly. In investing, if we are excited when we receive profits, we should also be brave to accept losses, that is the law of finance we need to know. Therefore, if we buy at a price that is too high , we should cutloss and start over instead of holding for a long time and making a negligible profit.
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