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Funny how Jeff Ownby also used to not pay out on his and Sonny Vleisides' sites while both were in Costa Rica till the time Sonny fled to Italy to hide at his cousin's house till he was arrested for his lottery scam.
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Why don't you take this "evidence" and put it in front of a judge then?
Let him tell you it's meaningless bullshit.
You are a fool
 Obviously, I'm trying to help a situation that you, yourself, contributed to. You witnessed how the community tore Bruce Peterson a new asshole thanks to his continuing to embrace BFL, and he's just a minion. Image what could possibly happen to your brand if you continue on the same path. Your call! #ASKFTC |
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Why don't you take this "evidence" and put it in front of a judge then?
Let him tell you it's meaningless bullshit.
You are a fool
This thread is the evidence that WILL be presented in front of a judge thanks to Sonny Vleisides' money laundering practices. They'll also be looking into Jeff Ownby's ~100 online casinos, some of which accept bitcoins, of which some of those have had threads penned about them thanks to Jeff Ownby stealing from fellow bitcoiners. #ASKFTC |
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They are essentially a one way exchange in that anyone can open a merchant services account with bitpay, the customer can price something at the amount of bitcoin they wish to sell, then use their own bitcoin to pay for the sale. This would be very similar to how a merchant could potentially swipe their own credit card at their own CC terminal
Again, BitPay is not an exchange. They can ONLY process payments for customers that purchase a product or service off a website, et al. They can not convert BTC to fiat for you or me or even BFL, especially a million dollars worth week after week after week... which is exactly what BFL did just prior to them getting raided on September 19th. To date, I've uncovered no less than $10M USD that BFL converted to fiat that was deposited into some bank controlled by BFL. BitPay may be able to explain away last year's $1M USD supposedly from HashTrade - which it wasn't - but that's it. Hell, I'm staring at ~$4M USD missing in only a 30 day period from BFL's coffer. I'm sure so is the IRS and the FBI and the FTC and probably now the CIA, SEC, AAA and NASA (maybe not AAA). BF Labs Inc. has no idea what cans of worms they've opened up due to Sonny, et al.'s, actions. Yet, Josh came here today and tried to quell nerves about BFL's EMC, of which WILL soon be shut down thanks to their former actions. #ASKFTC I don't think it is possible as a company could simply use their own bitcoin to pay for their own product and then not ship the product to anyone. No one would ever complain about non-receipt of their goods. It would simply look like a large order as far as bitpay is concerned EDIT: This would probably actually be a good thing considering that the bank accounts that BFL controls are under the control of the FTC receiver now, while it would be impossible/difficult to be able to control all the private keys of BFL with any amount of certainty To address what's in bold, BitPay could've easily surmised that something's afoot when weekly purchases(?) were made from BFL in nice round BTC figures, unlike most all other purchases in the past, with the exception of the infamous $1M USD from HashTrade that BFL would have had to let BitPay know what it was for otherwise BitPay wouldn't have been able to release the press release espousing such. Only BitPay and BFL know for sure that the same bank - Harris - was used for all those ~million-dollar transactions. #ASKFTC I don't think this would be enough for bitpay to deny payment to a merchant. The merchant could easily have things priced in even BTC amounts (for various reasons) which would explain this. Also if items are calculated in terms of fiat then it would probably be bitpay that calculates the amount due in terms of bitcoin. I would also repeat my previous statement.....it is better for BFL to have more money in fiat then BTC as it is much easier for the FTC to seize BFL's bank accounts then it is to seize BFL's private keys Sadly, MineForeman.com can't take lessons from you as to how a discussion, especially of this sensitivity, should be pursued. Prior to the following transaction amounts from BFL to Bitpay... $671,385 $1,188,650 $1,219,950 $765,780 $1,206,606 $496,000 $293,032 ...there were very little normal sales of products. Prior to that lull were an influx of Monarch orders with at least one $1M USD sale that was supposedly from HashTrade, of which was not. In approximately a 30-day period, BFL cashed out ~$5,841,403 USD that BitPay had to convert to fiat and deposit in some BFL bank(s). Surely, with all the eyeballs looking at this at BitPays office, red flags would have been the order of the day, for they would be putting their venerable brand at risk if they simply ignored it. The FTC saw it clear as day, hence now have control of BFL's https://blockchain.info/address/1QAHVyRzkmD4j1pU5W89htZ3c6D6E7iWDs bitcoin wallet address, hence it ceasing to conduct BTC transactions witnessed now on the block chain. This is a fact, hence Josh not coming here to dispute it. Said fact can easily be disputed within minutes, and I'll even tell you how. Josh simply calls up Greg Bachrach and have him declare that he's going to move X BTC - any amount - outta his HashTrade wallet at Y time. Once done, it will prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that I was gravely mistaken and will leave this forum to never return. Luckily, for me, such simple act hasn't and won't occur, for it hasn't happened in the past three weeks. Why? Again, because the FTC has 100% control of HashTrade's wallet. The FTC is such an asshole for stopping HashTrade's business that I'm currently beside myself, for they're the good guys and the FTC should've only directed their efforts toward BFL. #ASKFTC |
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I could make a wordpress site saying that Obama was the man on the moon. Would you believe me? Fool Looks to me you're the fool, for each time you bump this post once with your foolish posts, I get to bump it twice to prove you wrong, thus creating a much larger thread for the media, IRS, FTC, SEC, FBI, NSA, NES, AAA, NCAA, and NASA to sink their teeth into. Just to keep the context right, and note I'm not in any sense defending BFL in the following; it's just the facts. In disclosure, I'd rather piss on my Mother's grave than defend the business that they've run. There hasn't been a conviction, there hasn't been a trial, there haven't been any arrests. BFL is under a court order that has allowed the FTC to freeze the business, to seize the books, records, and computers, to obtain detailed financial disclosures by BFL and the three named officers, and to interview and take depositions from employees and others. Much of that will be under penalties of perjury. The Court has appointed a Temporary Receiver. He's a lawyer, but he answers to the Judge. His job now, basically, will be to assemble experts to follow the money. From the time a pre-order came in, to the time that money left BFL without the order having been fulfilled, they'll try to track where it all went, and to whom it went. Part of following the money will be following the machines from the time they were assembled to the time they were shipped to customers, if ever. BFL gets a day in court next Monday to try to have the order set aside and try to not have all that analysis and digging happen. The details of the various orders are all in this document, which I think is different than the one which CoinFire has shown, that being the FTC's pleading to the Judge to grant this order, unknown to BFL (that's Ex Parte) . http://www.ftc.gov/system/files/documents/cases/140923utterflylabstro.pdfThis is, almost certainly, exactly the document that Techknowledgy asserted that he possessed on Friday (a 33 page, Sealed, Ex Parte order). His information was spot on, and I'd say his sources are sound. You bastard! More fuckin' shit I now have to read. Fine! Have it your way. But, tit-for-tat you have to read what took me 5+ hours to pen the other night.  Sonny Vleisides' personal site, and not BFL's: https://web.archive.org/web/20130625050854/http://sonofodi.weebly.com/According to https://www.blocktrail.com/address/1Hq2t6dJcxqZjGda919p4c4tmopNRLciAJ, Sonny Vleisides' bitcoin wallet address - 1Hq2t6dJcxqZjGda919p4c4tmopNRLciAJ - used to garner sales for bitcoin miner chips didn't pay any mining fees as shown below:  Yet, with one of my old wallets I doled out 0.0035 BTC for the privilege of sending a lot less fewer bitcoins...  The following is all four transactions for the 1Hq2t6dJcxqZjGda919p4c4tmopNRLciAJ address used by Sonny Vleisides for the supposed sale of bitcoin mining ASIC chips - https://blockchain.info/address/1Hq2t6dJcxqZjGda919p4c4tmopNRLciAJ  All the bitcoins that flowed to 1Hq2t6dJcxqZjGda919p4c4tmopNRLciAJ (BFL's or Sonny Vleisides' personal account) went to 1QAHVyRzkmD4j1pU5W89htZ3c6D6E7iWDs shown above, including the scant amount - 0.01001691 BTC - from 17HSPT3bhYE1rhrwAhi8k6GCGGXRdQimY7 and the 59.9273 BTC from 1DiPE4TnBczmPVoy53tffrd1iNPq87B3PB, the latter seen here: https://blockchain.info/tx/827063279c43c50c3f4c690dbf491071386d80068115f48d0beee7e80b4c7f2f. Revisiting the 1QAHVyRzkmD4j1pU5W89htZ3c6D6E7iWDs bitcoin wallet address, the following image depicts 0 BTC tx fees paid when HashTrade supposedly paid BFL via BitPay that infamous million-dollar down payment for their multi-million dollar order of Monarchs as the press release reveals here: http://www.prweb.com/releases/2013/10/prweb11283333.htm. BF Labs, Inc. Processes $1 Million Bitcoin Merchant Transaction for Institutional Bitcoin Mining Hardware Purchase
Butterfly Labs Announces $1 Million Down-Payment on Multi-Million Dollar Order for Next Generation Bitcoin Mining Hardware. Deposit will help enable production of innovative 28nm Monarch card. <the following image gleaned from https://blockchain.info/tx/1b6ea350c094071412df1f801651263fd65ffa0b89ad6c8626ceeca8755f50bc> According to the press release, the $1M USD that HashTrade supposedly paid BFL stemming from 1QAHVyRzkmD4j1pU5W89htZ3c6D6E7iWDs was paid to BitPay's wallet address 16fus1FKurpDmPtEZLGbg7vRYtH2TEFbYf. ONLY 16 hours later, that same $1M USD equaling 5,562.354 BTC had 437.646 BTC added to it, and a new wallet - 1EXDF4fvjRozJ96TjF4SPN7rbTx2ik6Dsd - was created to store 6,000 BTC that has been untouched to this very day, as seen here: https://blockchain.info/tx/ff0fb375a2375b2b9ee7e8daa5759085d8fe8cd85280a97b1dfbb14005f36153, and further illustrated with...  Again, nary a tx fee was paid to the miners, proof with the following:  Note the confirmation time: Only ~11 minutes to get the tx confirmed with nary a fee. I say that's an impossibility for HashTrade to transfer a million dollars worth of BTC to BFL via BitPay if they do indeed maintain the 1QAHVyRzkmD4j1pU5W89htZ3c6D6E7iWDs bitcoin wallet address, of which I'm 100% confident they DO NOT! BFL/Sonny Vleisides owns the 1QAHVyRzkmD4j1pU5W89htZ3c6D6E7iWDs bitcoin wallet address, as well as the 1EXDF4fvjRozJ96TjF4SPN7rbTx2ik6Dsd BWA, for all the bitcoins that make up the 437.646 BTC to round the wallet up to 6,000 BTC also stemmed from BFL. BitPay may very well control the 16fus1FKurpDmPtEZLGbg7vRYtH2TEFbYf BWA used to funnel the infamous $1M USD from supposedly HashTrade to BFL, but, again, I contend that said funds were redirected back to BFL's control via parameters they set on their BitPay account. The only thing that puzzles me now is how if BitPay was used as the payment service provider for the $1M USD transaction, why were no tx fees accrued? To recap...Sonny Vleisides owned the 1Hq2t6dJcxqZjGda919p4c4tmopNRLciAJ BWA. Thousands of transactions from BFL ended up going to 1QAHVyRzkmD4j1pU5W89htZ3c6D6E7iWDs. 1QAHVyRzkmD4j1pU5W89htZ3c6D6E7iWDs was claimed to be owned by HashTrade to pay the $1M USD down payment for BFL Monarchs. The $1M USD payment from 1QAHVyRzkmD4j1pU5W89htZ3c6D6E7iWDs plus other transactions stemming from BFL totally 6,000 BTC went to the 1EXDF4fvjRozJ96TjF4SPN7rbTx2ik6Dsd BWA after one hop, supposedly BitPay's BWA 16fus1FKurpDmPtEZLGbg7vRYtH2TEFbYf. http://www.hashtrade.com/about.htmlCoinWare and HashTrade have received substantial venture capital investment from the Jacobson Brothers, in order to help establish these emerging businesses, ensure that they have a strong foundation and secure all the capital equipment necessary to deliver the data processing services that the different business models require. The Jacobson brothers own the Canadian Bitcoin Embassy and the Miami Bitcoin Embassy, both entities that the Bitcoin Development Fund donated 25 BTC to, of which they, too, have yet to liquidate as seen here: https://blockchain.info/address/1LAT5Zzf12cZqDy86ee2mcWhNZpk9DLf1D. Furthermore, I can easily show other BFL moneys flowing to this very address, not to mention from pools closely aligned with BFL. All that said, which Bitcoin-themed periodical is going to be the first to publish this revelation? And, why haven't nary a one uncovered any of this before? ~Bruno Kucinskas All the above was centered around the BWA 1Hq2t6dJcxqZjGda919p4c4tmopNRLciAJ that some unknown person included on some mundane website that had nothing to do with Sonny Vleisides even though it's his house that BFL purchased that's included on said site probably snapped by some intruder to frame poor ol' Sonny. It saddens me that I'm a fool and you're the genius. Look forward to your reply so that I can post twice more, thus bumping this thread three times. I'm sure Josh and Sonny and Jeff and BitPay will be thanking your for your genius efforts. #ASKFTC |
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I have an excellent idea. Why don't you take the time to disprove that the 1QAHVyRzkmD4j1pU5W89htZ3c6D6E7iWDs BWA does indeed belong to HashTrade and not BFL, ergo wasn't being used for money laundering and I will leave this forum for good. I've already offered up the same proposal to SLok and Josh Zerlan, but so far they've opted to not take up the mantle, thus giving you the unique opportunity to outshine them two assholes. Deal? #ASKFTC Your an idiot. Why do I have to go around proving meaningless stuff to you? Your the one making unfounded allegations, prove your own stuff. You will find me a lot more agreeable that way. I particularly dislike how you mislead newbies with this stuff, how many people have gone away with the erroneous thoughts you have expressed in this thread. What the fuck are you talkin' 'bout? You dislike me misleading newbies with factual stuff, whatever the fuck that's suppose to mean, but you're 100% comfortable with BFL's actions to date. One of us is 100% fucked up in the head, and it ain't the dude penning this post. I've already proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the 1QAHVyRzkmD4j1pU5W89htZ3c6D6E7iWDs BWA truly does belong to BFL and not HashTrade, with your and mine - OUR - peers more-or-less verifying such. Sonny Vleisides' personal site, and not BFL's: https://web.archive.org/web/20130625050854/http://sonofodi.weebly.com/It's also a 100% fact that the above was gleaned by Sonny Vleisides' site and the address depicted goes to the 1QAH... BWA that was misrepresented by HashTrade as paying BFL via BitPay $1M USD last October 21, 2013, for Monarchs that HashTrade stated in the press release would be available by the end of the year, 2103, and not 2014, now never, hence the FTC's actions. BTW, the house depicted is the one purchased by BFL of which Sonny Vleisides lives in. If this is not 100% factual, I will leave this forum and never return. I say that's pretty fuckin' good detective work stemming from a fool such as I, but sadly you've positioned yourself in the opposing camp, which makes everything you're involved in at risk. Of which to that I say makes you the fuckin' idiot for trying to paint me in some unfavorable light oppose to keeping your fuckin' trap shut or, at the very least, of which I kindly requested, engage in an intelligent debate, in which I would have easily backed down. That said, now about that threatening aspect you mentioned earlier that didn't occur. You can now safely assume that I'm threatening any endeavor you're involved in because you, my friend, are proving yourself untrustworthy due to the simple fact you have aligned yourself with the wrong crowd - BFL, et al. Again, well-played and genius! #ASKFTC PS: Where the fuck did you go? You were doing so well and almost had me and my newbie friends convinced that you were right and that I was wrong. SO FUCKIN' CLOSE, BUT NO CIGAR! You haven't proved squat, all you have is a circumstantial chain of hearsay.  Sonofabitch, you proved me wrong again. I've mistaken blue berries for blueberries. |
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I have an excellent idea. Why don't you take the time to disprove that the 1QAHVyRzkmD4j1pU5W89htZ3c6D6E7iWDs BWA does indeed belong to HashTrade and not BFL, ergo wasn't being used for money laundering and I will leave this forum for good. I've already offered up the same proposal to SLok and Josh Zerlan, but so far they've opted to not take up the mantle, thus giving you the unique opportunity to outshine them two assholes. Deal? #ASKFTC Your an idiot. Why do I have to go around proving meaningless stuff to you? Your the one making unfounded allegations, prove your own stuff. You will find me a lot more agreeable that way. I particularly dislike how you mislead newbies with this stuff, how many people have gone away with the erroneous thoughts you have expressed in this thread. What the fuck are you talkin' 'bout? You dislike me misleading newbies with factual stuff, whatever the fuck that's suppose to mean, but you're 100% comfortable with BFL's actions to date. One of us is 100% fucked up in the head, and it ain't the dude penning this post. I've already proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the 1QAHVyRzkmD4j1pU5W89htZ3c6D6E7iWDs BWA truly does belong to BFL and not HashTrade, with your and mine - OUR - peers more-or-less verifying such. Sonny Vleisides' personal site, and not BFL's: https://web.archive.org/web/20130625050854/http://sonofodi.weebly.com/It's also a 100% fact that the above was gleaned by Sonny Vleisides' site and the address depicted goes to the 1QAH... BWA that was misrepresented by HashTrade as paying BFL via BitPay $1M USD last October 21, 2013, for Monarchs that HashTrade stated in the press release would be available by the end of the year, 2103, and not 2014, now never, hence the FTC's actions. BTW, the house depicted is the one purchased by BFL of which Sonny Vleisides lives in. If this is not 100% factual, I will leave this forum and never return. I say that's pretty fuckin' good detective work stemming from a fool such as I, but sadly you've positioned yourself in the opposing camp, which makes everything you're involved in at risk. Of which to that I say makes you the fuckin' idiot for trying to paint me in some unfavorable light oppose to keeping your fuckin' trap shut or, at the very least, of which I kindly requested, engage in an intelligent debate, in which I would have easily backed down. That said, now about that threatening aspect you mentioned earlier that didn't occur. You can now safely assume that I'm threatening any endeavor you're involved in because you, my friend, are proving yourself untrustworthy due to the simple fact you have aligned yourself with the wrong crowd - BFL, et al. Again, well-played and genius! #ASKFTC PS: Where the fuck did you go? You were doing so well and almost had me and my newbie friends convinced that you were right and that I was wrong. SO FUCKIN' CLOSE, BUT NO CIGAR! You haven't proved squat, all you have is a circumstantial chain of hearsay. |
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I have an excellent idea. Why don't you take the time to disprove that the 1QAHVyRzkmD4j1pU5W89htZ3c6D6E7iWDs BWA does indeed belong to HashTrade and not BFL, ergo wasn't being used for money laundering and I will leave this forum for good. I've already offered up the same proposal to SLok and Josh Zerlan, but so far they've opted to not take up the mantle, thus giving you the unique opportunity to outshine them two assholes. Deal? #ASKFTC Your an idiot. Why do I have to go around proving meaningless stuff to you? Your the one making unfounded allegations, prove your own stuff. You will find me a lot more agreeable that way. I particularly dislike how you mislead newbies with this stuff, how many people have gone away with the erroneous thoughts you have expressed in this thread. What the fuck are you talkin' 'bout? You dislike me misleading newbies with factual stuff, whatever the fuck that's suppose to mean, but you're 100% comfortable with BFL's actions to date. One of us is 100% fucked up in the head, and it ain't the dude penning this post. I've already proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the 1QAHVyRzkmD4j1pU5W89htZ3c6D6E7iWDs BWA truly does belong to BFL and not HashTrade, with your and mine - OUR - peers more-or-less verifying such. Sonny Vleisides' personal site, and not BFL's: https://web.archive.org/web/20130625050854/http://sonofodi.weebly.com/It's also a 100% fact that the above was gleaned by Sonny Vleisides' site and the address depicted goes to the 1QAH... BWA that was misrepresented by HashTrade as paying BFL via BitPay $1M USD last October 21, 2013, for Monarchs that HashTrade stated in the press release would be available by the end of the year, 2103, and not 2014, now never, hence the FTC's actions. BTW, the house depicted is the one purchased by BFL of which Sonny Vleisides lives in. If this is not 100% factual, I will leave this forum and never return. I say that's pretty fuckin' good detective work stemming from a fool such as I, but sadly you've positioned yourself in the opposing camp, which makes everything you're involved in at risk. Of which to that I say makes you the fuckin' idiot for trying to paint me in some unfavorable light oppose to keeping your fuckin' trap shut or, at the very least, of which I kindly requested, engage in an intelligent debate, in which I would have easily backed down. That said, now about that threatening aspect you mentioned earlier that didn't occur. You can now safely assume that I'm threatening any endeavor you're involved in because you, my friend, are proving yourself untrustworthy due to the simple fact you have aligned yourself with the wrong crowd - BFL, et al. Again, well-played and genius! #ASKFTC PS: Where the fuck did you go? You were doing so well and almost had me and my newbie friends convinced that you were right and that I was wrong. SO FUCKIN' CLOSE, BUT NO CIGAR! |
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LOL well now, that escalated quickly.
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I easily forgave you the first time you tried to shove it up my ass, but there won't be a second time, for you're showing the same fuckin' characteristics as Josh Zerlan, opting to not even get into an intelligent conversation with me showing me where I fucked up, whereupon I would have easily backed down. Now, thanks to your actions, you're on the radar of the dude that has absolutely no idea what he's doing. Well-played! I suggest you quit using Josh Zerlan's playbook while you're still allowed on the field, for it's riddled with errors.
You're a fool. You have absolutely no idea what your doing. And now you threatening me. Just make sure any "evidence" you come up with is better than your normal shit. Neil Jesus motherfuckin' Christ! Listen to yourself. You came here and made a point. I kindly disputed your claim paying it no further mind. You came back here to further stick it up my ass. I replied in kind. Now, you come here and claim I'm threatening you, of which is NOT THE FUCKIN' CASE, but for sake of argument, if I were, how the fuck in your mind would I be able to pull off any threat when I don't know what the fuck I'm doing? Hell, we your logic I shouldn't be able to find the door to leave my home, let alone be able to hunt down the driveway. I had no issues with you. NADA! Yet you have with me. Over what? Trying to advance Bitcoin to better your position. Your welcome. Now go fuck yourself! BTW, you're still on my radar. #ASKFTC Please include an image when you refer to me as such. It has more impact that way.  You have no idea about what you speak, your thread title is an outright lie, and yes, your shit stinks. Excuse me, but if you would've read the OP you would've realized that the title is not necessarily a lie but sarcasm thanks to a Bitcoiner using the same playbook trying to stick it up my ass in another thread. Apologies for trying to drive the point home and garner media attention, the same media attention that's still trying to be garnered pertaining to KnC's bogus $100,000 USD payment to TBF, making this claim ten times worse. In fact, now 100 times worse we're easily pass the $10M mark that BFL laundered through BitPay. I have an excellent idea. Why don't you take the time to disprove that the 1QAHVyRzkmD4j1pU5W89htZ3c6D6E7iWDs BWA does indeed belong to HashTrade and not BFL, ergo wasn't being used for money laundering and I will leave this forum for good. I've already offered up the same proposal to SLok and Josh Zerlan, but so far they've opted to not take up the mantle, thus giving you the unique opportunity to outshine them two assholes. Deal? #ASKFTC |
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What you are looking at are taints, they are coins that can be associated with addresses that have been tagged by someone as belonging to someone (probably someone else, why would you tag your own coins after all). It is kind of like Chinese whispers with bitcoins. A good example would be the 20k bitcoin Pizza deal. A vast majority of bitcoins are now tainted by that transaction, that means that fairly much anyone can trace the inputs of their coins back to that pizza. It does not mean they ate it though. Neil P.S. You going on to using people using the same name-server as some sort of "evidence" shows you have absolutely no idea what your doing. The FTC froze ~$1.2M USD in BFL's bank account: http://ia902308.us.archive.org/32/items/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531.23.0.pdf2. On or about September 19, 2014, BFL’s bank account with BMO Harris Bank N.A. (“BMO Account”) was frozen, along with other assets. The BMO Account contains
approximately $1.2 million. Let's see if the cash adds up, shall we? Skip to the end of this post to find out and check my maths, otherwise enjoy the screenshots that I've put so much effort into for your viewing pleasure.  http://www.walletexplorer.com/address/1LBEfBCDrwQyxL4yGxZ14Y3uZ37UdBEzK5 https://blockchain.info/address/1QAHVyRzkmD4j1pU5W89htZ3c6D6E7iWDs $671,385 USD (1500 BTC) on 2014-09-17 20:17:27 (less than 24 hours prior to the FTC on BFL)  $1,188,650 USD (2500 BTC) on 2014-09-10 01:15:24  $1,219,950 USD (2500 BTC) on 2014-09-04 20:41:25  $765,780 USD (1500 BTC) on 2014-08-26 21:14:52  $1,206,606 USD (2300 BTC) on 2014-08-21 17:57:45  $496,000 USD (1000 BTC) on 2014-08-15 19:10:14  $293,032 USD (499 BTC) on 2014-08-07 18:03:04 I only screenshot the 1LBEfBCDrwQyxL4yGxZ14Y3uZ37UdBEzK5 BWA, a known BitPay BWA, ignoring the other addresses surpassing $2M USD that BF Labs Inc. liquidated during the same time period, ALSO along with the millions of dollars liquidated prior to the last tx depicted above, thus only checking if the sum in BFL's bank account is close to what was converted to fiat approximately a month prior to the FTC raid forward. Please, I beg you, check my maths, for I've been known to error.  $671,385 $1,188,650 $1,219,950 $765,780 $1,206,606 $496,000 $293,032 $1.2M(+change)Well, that was a total waste of time! The figures add up and most every penny/satoshi is accounted for. I would have sworn that the figure would've been $5,841,403 thus providing an argument for money laundering on BFL's part, but guess I was mistaken. Apologies!  #ASKFTC When I'm wrong, I admit I'm wrong. Ergo, I was wrong. It didn't occur to me that what I uncovered were only TAINTS. Millions of dollars worth of TAINTS, some of which transacted on the weekend and late at night when most TAINTS occur oppose during normal business hours when Jody Drake, et al., are in the office. It's those types of transactions I should be looking for. I sure the hell am glad you're on my side and duly hope you accept my apology with thinking that you're an asshole. PS: Sometimes I pen shit that TAINT real. PSS: And, thanks again for the bumps. This is an excellent game when you play by the same rules that BFL plays by. If only I knew what the fuck I was doing instead of being a fool and all. #ASKFTC |
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I easily forgave you the first time you tried to shove it up my ass, but there won't be a second time, for you're showing the same fuckin' characteristics as Josh Zerlan, opting to not even get into an intelligent conversation with me showing me where I fucked up, whereupon I would have easily backed down. Now, thanks to your actions, you're on the radar of the dude that has absolutely no idea what he's doing. Well-played! I suggest you quit using Josh Zerlan's playbook while you're still allowed on the field, for it's riddled with errors.
You're a fool. You have absolutely no idea what your doing. And now you threatening me. Just make sure any "evidence" you come up with is better than your normal shit. Neil Jesus motherfuckin' Christ! Listen to yourself. You came here and made a point. I kindly disputed your claim paying it no further mind. You came back here to further stick it up my ass. I replied in kind. Now, you come here and claim I'm threatening you, of which is NOT THE FUCKIN' CASE, but for sake of argument, if I were, how the fuck in your mind would I be able to pull off any threat when I don't know what the fuck I'm doing? Hell, we your logic I shouldn't be able to find the door to leave my home, let alone be able to hunt down the driveway. I had no issues with you. NADA! Yet you have with me. Over what? Trying to advance Bitcoin to better your position. Your welcome. Now go fuck yourself! BTW, you're still on my radar. #ASKFTC Please include an image when you refer to me as such. It has more impact that way. |
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I easily forgave you the first time you tried to shove it up my ass, but there won't be a second time, for you're showing the same fuckin' characteristics as Josh Zerlan, opting to not even get into an intelligent conversation with me showing me where I fucked up, whereupon I would have easily backed down. Now, thanks to your actions, you're on the radar of the dude that has absolutely no idea what he's doing. Well-played! I suggest you quit using Josh Zerlan's playbook while you're still allowed on the field, for it's riddled with errors.
You're a fool. You have absolutely no idea what your doing. And now you threatening me. Just make sure any "evidence" you come up with is better than your normal shit. Neil Jesus motherfuckin' Christ! Listen to yourself. You came here and made a point. I kindly disputed your claim paying it no further mind. You came back here to further stick it up my ass. I replied in kind. Now, you come here and claim I'm threatening you, of which is NOT THE FUCKIN' CASE, but for sake of argument, if I were, how the fuck in your mind would I be able to pull off any threat when I don't know what the fuck I'm doing? Hell, with your logic I shouldn't be able to find the door to leave my home, let alone be able to hunt down the driveway. I had no issues with you. NADA! Yet you have with me. Over what? Trying to advance Bitcoin to better your position. Your welcome. Now go fuck yourself! BTW, you're still on my radar. #ASKFTC PS: Thanks for bumping the thread that you're logical mind is trying to squash. Well-played! Again, toss out that Josh Zerlan's playbook. It filled with errors as I've already informed you. |
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So, essentially bitpay only performs certain jobs that a full exchange does, and not the full spectrum. This argument brings us to a question.... What truly defines an "exchange"? Surely there are other sites and programs that provide more of the spectrum than others, yet many opf the ones that are lacking are still considered "exchanges". I mean technically isn't it an exchange by definition just by providing the possibility of purchasing goods and services for a currency? i mean there is an "exchange" happening in that equation.
BitPay's business model is govern by the laws of the US stating exactly what they can and can not do. Acting as a clearing house for BTC to fiat stemming from the sales of services or products is all they're allowed to do, where they even stated that they CAN NOT exchange BTC for fiat when a service or product is not part of the equation. Hell, even some bitcoiners got arrested doing the Local Bitcoins thing on the street. Since BitPay is in an office, does the exact same practice now make it legal? Of course not. And, we're not takin' several tens of grand here. We're talkin' millions within a 30 day period, easily over ten million over the course of the past year. This is a fact! #ASKFTC |
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What you are looking at are taints, they are coins that can be associated with addresses that have been tagged by someone as belonging to someone (probably someone else, why would you tag your own coins after all). It is kind of like Chinese whispers with bitcoins. A good example would be the 20k bitcoin Pizza deal. A vast majority of bitcoins are now tainted by that transaction, that means that fairly much anyone can trace the inputs of their coins back to that pizza. It does not mean they ate it though. Neil P.S. You going on to using people using the same name-server as some sort of "evidence" shows you have absolutely no idea what your doing. For a person who doesn't know what they're doing, I sure the hell seem to keep getting a lot of traction. I easily forgave you the first time you tried to shove it up my ass, but there won't be a second time, for you're showing the same fuckin' characteristics as Josh Zerlan, opting to not even get into an intelligent conversation with me showing me where I fucked up, whereupon I would have easily backed down. Now, thanks to your actions, you're on the radar of the dude that has absolutely no idea what he's doing. Well-played! I suggest you quit using Josh Zerlan's playbook while you're still allowed on the field, for it's riddled with errors. |
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Betcoin.Tm want to give the impression that they are more popular than Satoshi Dice already, within a month from start.
Im sure the owners of that site play there with fake accounts and use their own coins (newly mined coins + "mixed" coins) to give the impression that their site is more popular than Satoshi Dice so they can attract real players eventually.
What do you guys think?
I just found this thread due to the banner ad that is now being run. Don't worry, this is a safe site using the excellent marketing skills of Jeff Ownby, BF Labs Inc.'s co-founder. #ASKFTC |
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They are essentially a one way exchange in that anyone can open a merchant services account with bitpay, the customer can price something at the amount of bitcoin they wish to sell, then use their own bitcoin to pay for the sale. This would be very similar to how a merchant could potentially swipe their own credit card at their own CC terminal
Again, BitPay is not an exchange. They can ONLY process payments for customers that purchase a product or service off a website, et al. They can not convert BTC to fiat for you or me or even BFL, especially a million dollars worth week after week after week... which is exactly what BFL did just prior to them getting raided on September 19th. To date, I've uncovered no less than $10M USD that BFL converted to fiat that was deposited into some bank controlled by BFL. BitPay may be able to explain away last year's $1M USD supposedly from HashTrade - which it wasn't - but that's it. Hell, I'm staring at ~$4M USD missing in only a 30 day period from BFL's coffer. I'm sure so is the IRS and the FBI and the FTC and probably now the CIA, SEC, AAA and NASA (maybe not AAA). BF Labs Inc. has no idea what cans of worms they've opened up due to Sonny, et al.'s, actions. Yet, Josh came here today and tried to quell nerves about BFL's EMC, of which WILL soon be shut down thanks to their former actions. #ASKFTC I don't think it is possible as a company could simply use their own bitcoin to pay for their own product and then not ship the product to anyone. No one would ever complain about non-receipt of their goods. It would simply look like a large order as far as bitpay is concerned EDIT: This would probably actually be a good thing considering that the bank accounts that BFL controls are under the control of the FTC receiver now, while it would be impossible/difficult to be able to control all the private keys of BFL with any amount of certainty To address what's in bold, BitPay could've easily surmised that something's afoot when weekly purchases(?) were made from BFL in nice round BTC figures, unlike most all other purchases in the past, with the exception of the infamous $1M USD from HashTrade that BFL would have had to let BitPay know what it was for otherwise BitPay wouldn't have been able to release the press release espousing such. Only BitPay and BFL know for sure that the same bank - Harris - was used for all those ~million-dollar transactions. #ASKFTC |
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