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16321  Economy / Speculation / Re: If you don't buy you will cry on: January 17, 2018, 01:54:03 PM
most of the people between age 20-30 believe this is a correction.. This is not even a correction. dotcom people know it, correction happens when the prices drop %80 - 90...
I think this is a manupilative season. Cryptocurrencies are having trouble with governments and so on.. Even Bitcoin crashes (i don't believe so...), other currencies will fall and recover themselves (i believe this for good coins of course, not shit coins)
I hope btc falls to 5-6 k so I can get more Cheesy

I must be one of the very rare people not in that age group to believe this is part of a long-term correction and stabilisation attempt. If guys like you think a correction means 80-90% drop, then you clearly have very extreme learning resources...

So many pros, despite the obvious pains of seeing Bitcoin lose almost 30% of its value this month:
- the long-awaited significant correction has arrived, so the recovery will not take too long. The longer Bitcoin stayed above 10k (considering its ultra quick climb), the worse the long-term repercussions would have been.
- every coin I earn now will be worth so much more when Bitcoin does recover. And for holders like me, this is good news.
16322  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Is there any way i could centralize my bitcoin addresses to one address ? on: January 17, 2018, 08:24:27 AM
Loyce basically gives the answer to your repeated questions, send all your bitcoins to one address but if there are lots of input in the transaction don't expect to be asked to pay low fees

Yes i though so , but as number of outputs varies the transaction fee , it should vary in case of number of inputs too. Actually this subject is very critical.  Thanks anyway.

You are correct. Your transaction size (in terms of data used) is affected by outputs and inputs. In your case, you want to consolidate all your inputs into one single address. The only way to do this, as Loyce and others say, is to spend all of the inputs in your wallet in one transaction, with one output to the address you own.

Note that every time you receive coins into that address, they enter as separate inputs... so having only one receiving address doesn't mean you save on fees in future. Regardless of whether the inputs are stored on one address or across multiple addresses in your wallet, they will all have the same size.
16323  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Bitcointalk English Premier League Betting Pool v2.0 | Current pot: £420 on: January 16, 2018, 09:14:28 PM
I'll give it 24 hours and hopefully there'll be a bit of stability as it seems to have steadied a bit already but who knows what will happen during the rest of the day. Most people will send the money in on the day I send the address out but it'll likely take a couple to get every one in and I would rather people not decide to pay just because others paid much less than them (or the opposite).

I'm on with anything. Probably best to fix a rate close to the value on the day... marlboroza's suggestion of 0.0025 BTC sounds like the best.  Even if Bitcoin drops a further 20% it'll be enough-ish. We shouldn't worry though, by the time the league's over, BTC will be at a new ATH Wink

Mempool won't get any better than this too, so I'd rather make payments soonish, 151 sats/byte looks good enough for a 6-hour confirmation time right now.

15 games left so this will feel like a quickfire contest. Can't wait for a chance at >0.05 BTC!
16324  Economy / Economics / Re: France declares war on the cryptocurrencies on: January 16, 2018, 08:18:37 PM
Nah, this type of news has very limited effect on global price. European nations are actually small markets.

Just over a month ago the French regulators (AMF and Bank of France's ACPR) issued their first joint official warning about Bitcoin, apparently prompted by thousands of calls daily to their help centres from the public asking them if it's safe or if the government would protect them. They even said that Bitcoin was wrongly referred to as a currency or cryptocurrency.

No prizes for guessing the effect that had on Bitcoin interest nationally! Hint: opposite of desired effect.
16325  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-01-16] Bitcoin Sets Lunar New Year Lows For 3rd Time on: January 16, 2018, 07:05:26 PM
China or not, the crypto market has a long overdue need for a good meaningful correction. i hope after the correction market could return to a more healthy style bullish market, not an exponential one.

Actually, I'm feeling rather relieved that good old January dip came, every delay to me would have resulted in medium-term repercussions. Just recalling a year ago the pessimism and downplaying of Bitcoin's resurgence to $1,000. The market's been very unhealthy for months and the withdrawal symptoms should last just as long. Seeing a lot of premature head shakes confirming the start of the end for Bitcoin, but then with the entire crypto market tumbling, this shouldn't be seen as Bitcoin's death warrant. Year-on-year, we're still over 1,000%.

In any case, I'm hoping a lot more holders are just observing. Tempting to try and sell on the crests for more padding up during the dips. Enjoy the coming lunar new year, people. Chinese zodiac by the way in general says the Dog's calming stability will take over from the volatility of the previous Rooster year. I bet you Chinese miners and govt at least pay heed to some of this.
16326  Economy / Exchanges / Re: What is going on with CEX.io now? on: January 16, 2018, 05:10:09 PM
As an update I can see that CEX.io has now processed my withdrawal for payment. I will update on when the money is credited to my Bank Account.

I believe it is important for others on this forum that we keep these threads updated so that people can be appropriately informed. While CEX.io took 7 days to do this at least I have had a response from them.

I hope however this is a lesson to everyone on here just how bad things are getting with the Exchanges. This is no particular exchange - IT IS ALL OF THEM. I have had the same issues with Kraken and I completely gave up with Coinbase who had to be the most arrogant of any of the exchanges. It got so bad with Coinbase I had to buy Bitcoin back (at a crap rate) and move to LocalBitcoins where I sold them there.

The way the exchanges are behaving in terms of lack of support, lack of any function whereby they can be contacted, extended periods of time where you don't know where your money is and if you will ever see it again is going to drive serious regulation to control them which could destroy the market.

Come on Exchanges - stop treating your customers like CRAP!!

Cex.io joins the growing list of major exchanges facing problems with delayed withdrawals and support. Hopefully, this is added incentive for users to move away from centralised exchanges, or at least to check out and try P2P platforms. Granted, there isn't a perfect option but at least with P2P (and escrow) you only need to risk a certain amount, with some sort of guarantee you don't get on these big names. After trying so many options, LBC is still the one that works best for me.

You're right about all of them facing the same issues, new and old, they eventually get there. Let's get some steam put into dex, shall we?
16327  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Bitcointalk English Premier League pool betting Discussion Thread on: January 16, 2018, 04:48:11 PM
Hey, well done StephenCurry, retaking top spot and breaking 2000 points!

@tokeweed, I don't believe you didn't at least pick Spurs or Utd to win, did you forget your predictions? You're doing well on our sidebet, but still 15 weeks to go, I know my Carles can do it.

@LFC you're the only one who made 100 points, I have to settle for 40 but am really disappointed my Chelsea draw was correct for the second week in a row, but never saw them not being able to score.

I can't seem to break my bad spell by backing unlikely scores... even if I get the outcomes right they're only 10 points.

Why's BBC taking so long these days to get next predictions back?
16328  Economy / Gambling / Re: BookMaker.eu Official Thread on: January 16, 2018, 12:36:49 PM
Hi Dutchyyy, as long as your only funding method(s) in the past was bitcoin or crypto, no documents will be requested when you ask for a payout.

so if i make an account i can put anything in the info boxes since i dont need to verify when cashing out with crypto?

Ugh, good question. Just came back here after looking at the registration form. I intend to only deposit and withdraw in crypto, Bitcoin most likely. So we already have your confirmation that we don't need verification. But does this mean we are free to enter any random information in the name fields? I only do that with non-crypto sportsbooks. You might want to consider creating a separate registration form for crypto-only players. That sort of thing alone is going to prevent crypto newcomers from signing up. We really don't like giving our names out Wink

16329  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: New Cloud Mining Operation- Need Insight on: January 16, 2018, 11:26:09 AM
I don't see entirely why the cloud mining industry gets a "bad rep" when it comes to the customers. If cloud mining is profitable for people individually, there isn't a reason it wouldn't be profitable for both the cloud mining organization and the customer. But what it comes down to is greed, on the end of the cloud mining operation. There isn't a reason ANYONE cloud mining should not at least* get their money back in the near future. I mean lets face it, we all now 2 currencies can be mined and by mining Decred while mining Ethereum is more profitable than just mining full Ethereum. While the cloud mining operation "only" mines the Ether or Bitcoin, they are making a killing off the 2nd coin that they don't have to share the gains with anyone from.

I looked into Gigahash, their site doesn't work and already has scam reports. While Hydrominer is flat out a lie?...with the first few things I read on it. Based in Croatia, their electricity power is already at the rate it would be if it were Hydropower in the USA, Sweden or UK was being used. The ICO is more or less a way for the founders to just make more $ off of it, in the "sense of building/harnessing hydropower." These are just my mere findings.


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So what I noticed in these last 2 days... people want reputable cloud mining operations- BUT no one wants to define what that is, in their viewpoint? Interesting.

Come on everyone, what is it that would lead to a "legitimate" mining operation in your eyes? I don't ask just because I feel like it, I ask because answers/findings will be used in the organizations development.

Thanks again!

They get their bad rep because they aren't transparent, and because their terms and conditions are vague at best, misleading at worst. Anyone reading the terms for the first time, especially if they aren't familiar with how quickly "maintenance" fees suddenly eat up and end contracts, will get caught out. You're absolutely right - cloud mining should be profitable - miners, don't share whatever it is they're co-mining, nor do they share out the fees they earn from blocks.

Gigahash and HydroMiner like any ICO have their scam reports, and by no means am I advocating them - they merely show the way forward, like I said, firstly by selling power and not hashrate. Hydrominer is based in Austria, so not sure what you're reading... again, I have never supported either but their steps are a huge move from current cloudmining operations. Something someone like you might learn from.
16330  Economy / Speculation / Re: 15-JAN-2018 Crypto Black Monday on: January 16, 2018, 09:01:50 AM
We are the 15th of january and nothing happened lol. Bitcoin price is extremely difficult to predict and technical analysis of price charts are also useless.

Did you even look at his chart ? According to his chart it's not even breaking 13.000 today. But 15 january is merely the beginning of the end. We should close today between 14.000 and 13.000, tomorrow again (it will dip briefly below 13.000) and the 18th we'll fall to around 11.000. Then the real sell-off to below $8000 follows the 21th.

You might want to put off your expert predictions for now, as it has already dipped below $11k today. This shouldn't come as a surprise since January has always been the seasonal sell-off, traders booking in profits, plus this week is the expiry of the first Bitcoin future contracts - yes, they're all cash settled but the losses for majority of buyers will probably have resulted in them also liquidating actually Bitcoin holdings for more re-entries. I'm guessing those who are doing that now will short to no end for the next three months, but that pressure is probably staved off by the alt holders also panicking (effectively propping back up Bitcoin).

Interesting to watch, but Bitcoin's going to defy whatever we expect.
16331  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread (EPL) on: January 16, 2018, 08:24:27 AM
when liverpool beat city.
this shows that liverpool has risen.
and I am sure in the next season liverpool will be able to become champion.
the first defeat of city shows that only a big team can beat it.

Beating big teams hasn't been something liverpool finds difficult doing even in their worse of seasons they still managed to beat barcelona by 4 goals last season or so and they always beating some of the top 4 on the league log consistently even though they were not numbered among them some seasons ago so for me i will rather urge them to be consistent rather than prepare  for only high profile games, but they look pretty good currently though.

Precisely! Ever since Brendan Rodgers took over, Liverpool have lost their foundation in solid defence - aerial duelers in the centreback, cool and collected midfield... that brought us trophies and made so many magical European nights. But the past many seasons we've had Torres, Suarez, Sterling, and now our Fab Four - wonderful to watch and I'm glad we take down the biggest teams easily... but yes, frailty in defence and not enough dexterity to break down parked buses.

They really look good - just too many draws snatched from the jaws of victory... and City being near perfect, otherwise we're playing like Champs. You know, Liverpool to win the league at at least @50 and above looks pretty good odds to me =p
16332  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is it possible to shut down the mining field in the future? on: January 15, 2018, 05:36:26 PM
Impossible to shut down Bitcoin mining - most of it was already running under the radar for many years anyway and, outside of some of the biggest companies, Bitcoin mining is still highly secretive, so any effort to clamp down on it would only serve to push it further underground.

What's the worst-case scenario? Far fantasy:

All the industrial rigs are too big, too powerful to remain undetected and get shut down? Then the Bitcoin network slows down for a couple of weeks, difficulty readjusts and everything is back to normal. Theoretically, if somehow the crackdown gets so efficient and goes global, that anything ASIC would have its consumption detected and shut down, then we return to GPU mining. And lower, and lower.
16333  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-1-15]This Indian city was the most curious about bitcoin globally in 2017 on: January 15, 2018, 01:47:29 PM
Seeing as that at least a fifth of the Internet doesn't necessarily use Google (thinking of Baidu at least for China) and that Google's own ranking might depreciate the likes of Russia, this is another example of how data can be used in any number of ways to get the news you want. That, and the fact that a Google search doesn't necessarily equate with organic curiosity (imagine the impact if one Bitcoin headline popped up in a small local newpaper on front page, for example).

That aside, when Singapore last year held the first ever Bitcoin-related trial at its international commercial courts, everyone on the island suddenly knew or wanted to know about Bitcoin. If that counts for curiosity...



16334  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin plunge on: January 15, 2018, 12:44:44 PM
I was just saying how much like goldfish the speculators here are, extremely short memories. Open up any chart, look at the past 12 months, 6 months, even 1 month and then ask again what kind of plunge are we really looking at. If anything, I was prepared for a much, much stronger bear pattern so this sideways movement hovering below $15k is pretty underwhelming to me. Am enjoying it as much as possible, if this is as low as the dip will go, I can't get enough.

BTC failed as a payment system and has no future. Even a bitcoin conference in Miami stopped accepting bitcoin payments because they were too expensive, that's quite a bit of (sad) irony: https://news.bitcoin.com/miami-bitcoin-conference-stops-accepting-bitcoin-due-to-fees-and-congestion/

Say you and the legion of new accounts who can't possibly have been around long enough to qualify for such a statement. Do you really not know the news source you have is anti-Bitcoin, btw? Miami conference haha. Even the weekly coffee meetings in a city near me are still taking Bitcoin.
16335  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Why is my transaction not getting confirmed and what can I do about it? on: January 15, 2018, 08:54:56 AM
This is the best starting point for all queries related to "stuck transactions". It's the sticky in this thread so you can't miss it. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1802212.0

@Thirdspace, his #3 is either a troll or just a way of saying "something inexplicable went wrong, wrong place wrong time". Ordinarily, I'd also agree that low fees and unconfirmed parents/inputs are the only reasons for transactions getting stuck, but there are several other ways that could happen. Until OP gives a transaction ID, type of wallet and other details for reference, nothing anyone can do to speculate.
16336  Economy / Speculation / Re: 2018 is death of bitcoin? on: January 15, 2018, 07:19:08 AM
How quickly people lose their memories! Have we become so drunk on the heady buzz of Bitcoin that we forget so soon how Bitcoin completely surpassed even the wildest expectations in 2017? I remember in 2016 when the hope was simply that Bitcoin would recover to its old ATH of around $1400 and stabilise there for 2017.

It's madness to think that after such a year, after finding incredible resistance at $12k, people are now saying "stop loss at 10k" and "time to exit", looking for the "next Bitcoin". We hit a rich vein only months ago, the Bitcoin community survived so many threats from forking, splitting, s2x was averted, it has never been stronger. It's okay to be pessimistic, but if you really think it's the death of Bitcoin, then go ahead, there are over 1,300 alts to choose from.
16337  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread (EPL) on: January 14, 2018, 07:09:10 PM
I'm not surprised that Manchester City lost today, it was gonna happen sooner or later, what's surprising to me is that they conceded 4 goals, and 3 of them were in the span of 9 minutes. For a team that's been really solid defensively so far this season (13 goals conceded before today), 4 goals is a lot in just one game and it really caught me off guard (when was the last time Man City conceded so many goals?).
And great match from Liverpool, (especially Robertson, this guy was absolutely fantastic today), although those last few minutes , poor defensive but it was really exciting as a neutral.

On another note, Arsenal,  without Ozil, and possibly Alexis Sanchez, this team is just average and it's all thanks to Wenger.
Absolutely, I bet 3-0 on this, but I knew it was a terrible gamble... anyone knows Liverpool's leaky defence can ship 3 goals on their best day, but to score the way they did against City was fantastic. When was the last time you saw Otamendi so nervy, and when was the last time you saw Moraes clear-kick the way he did (the way Salah took that down and looped the ball was an absolute dream btw)?

And on Robertson I completely agree! Can't find a MOTM to pick to be honest but I'd give a nod to our young RB, Joe Gomez let me down today though.

Anyone else feel like betting on Liverpool to win the title? Haha...

^ There's a good chance that this match could be a draw imo.  And contrary to buwaytress, Coutinho is def a big loss, and with Henderson injured and Salah doubtful, Liverpool is gonna have a tough time.  But I'm not saying it's gonna be a walk in the park by City either.  It's a tough match for both clubs.

Coutinho is a huge loss, for sure, but what I meant was that he wouldn't be missed in today's game... City as expected played as openly as Liverpool did, there was no need for creative wizardry to unlock their defence. At times, even looked like a Sunday schoolboy match the way everyone was just running helter skelter.

16338  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Bitcointalk English Premier League pool betting Discussion Thread on: January 14, 2018, 06:03:32 PM
I've just seen that only 3 players have scored more than 30 points with a maximum of 50 points, so this week it seems like there will not be big changes in the standings.
today I will risk winning Liverpool against the Manc. City!

Looks like I wasn't the only one trying to risk a Liverpool win, my 3-0 prediction was lost at half time, but my heart was fluttering at 4-1. Great variety to Liverpool goals, though, wouldn't you say, and the usual deflation at the way we concede. Our keepers (both!) are just abject at basic defending, thankfully the frontmen were on fire as usual.

To the rest of the league, you're welcome! May this loss be the one to set City on a points-dropping streak. Of the top 6, only Liverpool and City seem to be able to score consistently, could this be the start of an unlikely Liverpool surge? *heart fluttering*

A weekend of few upsets so far... considering marking down my 1-1 Utd draw tomorrow to a 0-1 loss.
16339  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How to spot a good crypto ICO on: January 14, 2018, 03:26:37 PM
All good steps, all good advice, but the reality is that, the majority of ICOs have only been around for about a year or so. What does this mean? It means we only have a very limited period of historical data to determine if they were successful or not. And then, what are your definitions of "good" crypto ICOs?

Obviously, people jump to price as a first indicator. But as above, how can you determine "good" from a price performance of a year, perhaps two at best? Perhaps people look at high profile ICOs that raised millions, and whose tokens now trade below ICO cost - does that mean it was a bad ICO? Perhaps its price potential has yet to come. If we take tokens that are flying high now, who's to say they won't drop next year? Is short term perspective necessary to qualify as "good"?

I see less correlation of "good ICOs" in terms of price, with quality/tech/roadmap/dev team at the moment, and more with marketing.
16340  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: May Be At Risk For A Double Spend????? on: January 14, 2018, 12:34:42 PM
You get different data displayed to you, depending on which blockchain explorer you use. What probably happened when you purchased Bitcoin was that the hot wallet was funded to fulfill your order, and then spent immediately to your wallet. In your case, the address 1CFAgVzrF5LSaYbE4L9ZFX1k8SYSaQ7FhA was funded only two hours before your tx.

https://blockchain.info/tx/a1d559302249adff23b1662f3cb228c60b83fc8799e9c1116e4da643b5571e73

Some merchants/services still take the old recommended "6 confirmation" rule before they consider funds to be safe from double spend risks, especially if it's a lot of coin... I believe at current difficulty/network security, even 1 confirmation is enough for most transactions. Even 2 would be considered realistically unfeasible to try double spend.

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