Two things I'd like more info on. October...which end of it?  Next gen..stats and prices they have as targets.
We can't do much about hashrates and all that side of things now, but we can plan for the future better with some basic info.

I also wonder if them talking about a LTC rig may be their backdoor out if things get too much in BTC..sensible way to go possibly.

This time round it has, but this cycle is going to repeat with each batch of new gen gear isn't it?
Maybe next time round though, more people will be paying with mined BTC from their last ASIC ?
It's an interesting thought how these cycles will change the price of BTC for a while, and how predictable they will be?
IF several large batches from decent suppliers are announced around the same time for example...can we say that their BTC converting to pay for supplies and overhead will drop the price and cause the type of dip we've seen already?

I used to read Sherlock Holmes for a mystery to solve...who needs him anymore with this to work out eh?

When I paid it added 90 dollars for NEXT DAY delivery. I can wait a day.
People are so keen to get involved in pre-ordering stuff they maybe miss the obvious normal stuff?
When a machine is built and ready, I expect it to be either shipped next day to the buyer, or taken to a hosting facility ...which isn't going to be instant unless they also built a teleporter is it? They'll need to get it there, set it up, (along with many many others in the same situation) etc. ..so maybe if it's busy one that's sent to a buyer with only his own machine to worry about getting online will be hashing earlier?

What if...they aren't selling any boxes until March because the next gen will be off the shelf having been manufactured in those 3 months? So no long wait? Straight into hashing. IF they meet their Sept. Oct deadlines that's got to be a possibility.

What if they sold you a Jupiter in January not having released this info with you in the dark...and a week later released a much more powerful machine at roughly the same price ? You'd be furious and they would be bastards wouldn't they?

Personally I'm pleased they said this, whatever the reason. It means I can factor an upgrade better around that time.

Maybe they don't wish to be cast in the same mould as BFL? I'm betting that the way that they invited people to visit and have given out plenty of information and generally communicated with customers and potential customers makes for most people feeling much more confident?

I'm not 100% that they will manage their projected delivery dates, that would be unreasonable with a product that's at this stage. However, I'm pretty confident that I'll be getting a box from Sweden months before I'd have got anything from BFL , it will work and stay working and I won't be hearing "in 2 weeks" over and over when the time comes.

There's always a risk in this type of purchase, but count your blessings that you're not trying to even get an email reply from Flutterby Labs
A month late..that's overachieving over in Kansas.

Based on this, the game is over. No point in anyone buying any ASICs anymore as they will never return anything worthwhile, so not much point in anyone thinking about building a next gen machine never mind selling one as they are always going to be fighting a losing battle?

IF a KnC machine that's not even built yet can't profit, why would the next gen be any different?

I have a shiny diamond in it's little package from Amsterdam unopened with certificate that I'm considering selling for BTC , it's retail value is around £5000 but as trade prices are much lower than that and it's not a run of the mill item to sell I thought maybe someone would be interested in a solid shiny investment for £3.5 ?

Someone getting engaged would be perfect if they were going to spend money on a stone at retail, and diamond prices are on the up quite steadily so not a bad investment  either. It's not a big stone, only 0.7 ct, but it's top quality...hence it's value.

My question is what would be the best method, and/or place to sell it? I'm new here as far as posting is concerned never mind selling anything..more of a lurker hoovering up info. up until now.

I'm quite happy to leap through hoops to satisfy any questions if anyone shows interest, even deliver the bugger within reason (UK), got to scan it's cert ..scanner's gone to heaven due me never using it for now but I'll be able to provide that and any other proof on request as it's no small amount involved and I appreciate people will require peace of mind.

Thanks.

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I was curious about the final cost at my door, wasn't sure about customs and VAT etc. and I found this little tool which I thought some peeps may find useful sooner or later. You get a few free shots and can email results to yourself, not sure of it's accuracy but maybe someone knows more than I if they have experience ? http://www.dutycalculator.com/ 

This might be handy too. http://www.sust-it.net/energy-calculator.php

1st post here, but can't resist an opinion (which is all any of have).

If you are prepared to spend thousands on hardware to mine you must have a long term mindset.
IF you mine to spend the coins right away you will probably kick yourself in years to come.
I don't think BTC will ever be a choice of payment system for the average person because the average person can have trouble trusting and understanding Paypal so it's going to be too much for them as it works now. However there are enough uses and users (and speculators) to make sure it grows and probably rises in value.
Example, the 1st purchase I am told was 2 pizzas? Value of coins back then was insignificant because they were easy to mine. Now..it's hundreds of thousands of dollars value. Tell that guy that they fell in value

Even when the value is so volatile and rises and falls tens of dollars over days it's a chance to make money trading them ...yesterday a rise of over 10 dollars with leverage would have left you laughing. It left me a bit miffed, only because I only saw it when it had already happened.

I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking that in a few years time people who kept hold of as many as possible will be happy with the decision...but it's a gamble that you need to do your own DD on and make a decision based on that (knowing that the future could be painful if you're wrong).

Basically my view is:-
Mine for the long term gains. (Lower risk, easier to research)
Trade for the short term gains. (High risk, hard to research and basically gambling)

What I can't figure is why anyone with no confidence in BTC being somehow more valuable in the future is doing involved with them?