Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com

[Ytterbium]

Which is my point, this process is at the end and they can change it if needed especially something so trivial as more balls.

Zero worry, only FUD.

Perhaps for a bga, but for a man, the wrong number of balls may be quite disconcerting.

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[dogie]

Is Josh back in this Thread Trolling again???  Come on Josh, you should spend your time trying to up your BFL shipments from 5 units a day to 10..


Go away Josh..

All your posts involve accusing random phantoms of being Josh. Think you need some counselling to remove the BFL butthurt.

Edit: Yes, I am in fact Josh before you ask ^_^

[Kuroth]

hahahah  Funny..  But I am 99% sure Josh is here..   I have my ways of knowing..

And p.s  my Buthurt dont hurt.. Got 100% of EVERY freaking penny back from those F' off..s

[dogie]

hahahah  Funny..  But I am 99% sure Josh is here..   I have my ways of knowing..

And p.s  my Buthurt dont hurt.. Got 100% of EVERY freaking penny back from those F' off..s

But you're metaphorically mourning the loss of the potential profit. If you weren't, then you wouldn't be calling them F'offs. After all, you made your money back right?

[erk]

With a 59% or more rise in difficulty next increase (https://blockchain.info/charts/hash-rate) I wonder whether I should cancel my

How did you come up with 59%?  The next difficulty increase is predicted at 20% in a few hours time.

Difficulty change is based on speed of last 2016 blocks solved. Current set was due for completion on 25^th.

If 297TH/s figure I saw becomes average over next 2016 blocks they'll be solved very quickly. Then my estimate would apply for the following set of 2106 blocks.

BTW: hash rate has dropped back to 256TH/s. Someone was testing a lot of capacity.

Yeah well you were wrong, the difficulty only went up to 31,256,961, less than 20% not 59%.

[Kuroth]

hahahah  Funny..  But I am 99% sure Josh is here..   I have my ways of knowing..

And p.s  my Buthurt dont hurt.. Got 100% of EVERY freaking penny back from those F' off..s

But you're metaphorically mourning the loss of the potential profit. If you weren't, then you wouldn't be calling them F'offs. After all, you made your money back right?

No.. Calling them F'off as that is part of their name is it not?  BFL..   Big Fucking Liars..   I always thought that is what BFL stood for is it not?

[erk]

The tape-out date (sending the final layout to the fab, ordering the masks and wafers) is the major milestone of any ASIC design project. Every customer/investor should be informed about when this is planned and when it was finally executed (this is at least the case in the "normal" ASIC business world). Because after that the "train has left the station" and the time until wafers leave the fab is somehow predictable.

The layout was probably not final in June, otherwise it would not be possible to change the package later on.

If there is no tape-out in July it is impossible that KnC will have packaged dies in their hands end of September (not talking about delivering fully debugged miners to end customers).

Nonsense, there no reason to inform the customers about what's going on behind the scenes, you don't see any of the big electronics manufacturers doing that, they would consider it commercially sensitive information.

[bkpduke]

Nonsense, there no reason to inform the customers about what's going on behind the scenes, you don't see any of the big electronics manufacturers doing that, they would consider it commercially sensitive information.

You don't see any of the big electronic manufacturers needing to fund their manufacturing with pre-orders either.   

[dwdoc]

The tape-out date (sending the final layout to the fab, ordering the masks and wafers) is the major milestone of any ASIC design project. Every customer/investor should be informed about when this is planned and when it was finally executed (this is at least the case in the "normal" ASIC business world). Because after that the "train has left the station" and the time until wafers leave the fab is somehow predictable.

The layout was probably not final in June, otherwise it would not be possible to change the package later on.

If there is no tape-out in July it is impossible that KnC will have packaged dies in their hands end of September (not talking about delivering fully debugged miners to end customers).

Nonsense, there no reason to inform the customers about what's going on behind the scenes, you don't see any of the big electronics manufacturers doing that, they would consider it commercially sensitive information.

How is providing a tape-out date giving away commercially sensitive information if they have already given a projected shipping date?

[erk]

How is providing a tape-out date giving away commercially sensitive information if they have already given a projected shipping date?

Because you are informing your competitors, of which there are several, exactly where you are up to.

[timmmers]

The tape-out date (sending the final layout to the fab, ordering the masks and wafers) is the major milestone of any ASIC design project. Every customer/investor should be informed about when this is planned and when it was finally executed (this is at least the case in the "normal" ASIC business world). Because after that the "train has left the station" and the time until wafers leave the fab is somehow predictable.

The layout was probably not final in June, otherwise it would not be possible to change the package later on.

If there is no tape-out in July it is impossible that KnC will have packaged dies in their hands end of September (not talking about delivering fully debugged miners to end customers).

Nonsense, there no reason to inform the customers about what's going on behind the scenes, you don't see any of the big electronics manufacturers doing that, they would consider it commercially sensitive information.

Maybe they don't wish to be cast in the same mould as BFL? I'm betting that the way that they invited people to visit and have given out plenty of information and generally communicated with customers and potential customers makes for most people feeling much more confident?

I'm not 100% that they will manage their projected delivery dates, that would be unreasonable with a product that's at this stage. However, I'm pretty confident that I'll be getting a box from Sweden months before I'd have got anything from BFL , it will work and stay working and I won't be hearing "in 2 weeks" over and over when the time comes.

There's always a risk in this type of purchase, but count your blessings that you're not trying to even get an email reply from Flutterby Labs
A month late..that's overachieving over in Kansas.

[erk]

Maybe they don't wish to be cast in the same mould as BFL? I'm betting that the way that they invited people to visit and have given out plenty of information and generally communicated with customers and potential customers makes for most people feeling much more confident?

I'm not 100% that they will manage their projected delivery dates, that would be unreasonable with a product that's at this stage. However, I'm pretty confident that I'll be getting a box from Sweden months before I'd have got anything from BFL , it will work and stay working and I won't be hearing "in 2 weeks" over and over when the time comes.

There's always a risk in this type of purchase, but count your blessings that you're not trying to even get an email reply from Flutterby Labs
A month late..that's overachieving over in Kansas.

It's more likely that it's because the are noobs, you can tell that from the way they simply cancelled the Mars FPGA unit with little regard for the impact on their reputation that caused. Fortunately their competition is not organized at this point, so it doesn't really matter.

[rizzman]

And why do you assume they HAVE to tell you anything? They told us from the beginning that the specs are not written in stone. They were very forthcoming with information up until now, but some people just can't get enough.

Fanboy answer.


I do not assume anything.
Just saying it's a major change in 2046-2797.

I don't see what the big deal is, if anything it shows that they are actively working on the design and that there is actually progress. I wouldn't be surprised if the whole damn box gets redesigned before its shipped, and really I think most people could care less as long as it works... The only real issue that should be of concern is whether or not they are on schedule, and at this point there is no reason to think otherwise. They have been better than anyone else at providing timely information.

 Everyone should just let them work and stop busting their balls. It won't make the process move any faster...

[Mota]

Maybe they don't wish to be cast in the same mould as BFL? I'm betting that the way that they invited people to visit and have given out plenty of information and generally communicated with customers and potential customers makes for most people feeling much more confident?

I'm not 100% that they will manage their projected delivery dates, that would be unreasonable with a product that's at this stage. However, I'm pretty confident that I'll be getting a box from Sweden months before I'd have got anything from BFL , it will work and stay working and I won't be hearing "in 2 weeks" over and over when the time comes.

There's always a risk in this type of purchase, but count your blessings that you're not trying to even get an email reply from Flutterby Labs
A month late..that's overachieving over in Kansas.

It's more likely that it's because the are noobs, you can tell that from the way they simply cancelled the Mars FPGA unit with little regard for the impact on their reputation that caused. Fortunately their competition is not organized at this point, so it doesn't really matter.

Congratulations, you earned your ignore with that comment. seriously? you are calling orsoc noobs? everyone in their right mind would cancel the fpga at that point! I am impressed that they made the module they had to show that they could do it, but I doubt anyone would have bought on of those anyway. and they did it knowing what it would do to their reputation.

[titomane]

And why do you assume they HAVE to tell you anything? They told us from the beginning that the specs are not written in stone. They were very forthcoming with information up until now, but some people just can't get enough.

Fanboy answer.


I do not assume anything.
Just saying it's a major change in 2046-2797.

I don't see what the big deal is, if anything it shows that they are actively working on the design and that there is actually progress. I wouldn't be surprised if the whole damn box gets redesigned before its shipped, and really I think most people could care less as long as it works... The only real issue that should be of concern is whether or not they are on schedule, and at this point there is no reason to think otherwise. They have been better than anyone else at providing timely information.

 Everyone should just let them work and stop busting their balls. It won't make the process move any faster...

Clearly I have a project changes. But the manufacture of the chip after dispatch is between 8 and 12 weeks. If the order to make it in July. The chips did not receive before September.

[erschiessen]

I wanted a Mars.
Shucks, I asked to purchase THE Mars.

[Xian01]

Wow! Thats a lot of solder balls per chip.  Is this amount of connections normally soldered reliably in manufacturing?

Yeah, that density is nucking futs. Raises a red flag.

Armchair Engineers

 Guilty. Doesn't mean I'm not going to call out a red flag when I see something that seems off.

 The KNC folk are ambitious people. Lets hope all their hard work pays off when these chips become a reality.

[HyperMega]

How is providing a tape-out date giving away commercially sensitive information if they have already given a projected shipping date?

Because you are informing your competitors, of which there are several, exactly where you are up to.

I guess that the real "dangerous" competitors of KnC know that the tape-out must be executed end of June/beginning of July to have a minimum chance to meet the announced start of delivery in September, because they have all the numbers too (e.g. 28nm foundry cycle times, time required for bumping/packaging). And they also know, not announcing a tape-out means probably that it was not done yet.

So KnC competitors most likely feel quite comfortable without hearing anything about it. It's harder for KnC customers, which are at the same time KnC investors in a risky business where time-to-market is everything.

[erk]

How is providing a tape-out date giving away commercially sensitive information if they have already given a projected shipping date?

Because you are informing your competitors, of which there are several, exactly where you are up to.

I guess that the real "dangerous" competitors of KnC know that the tape-out must be executed end of June/beginning of July to have a minimum chance to meet the announced start of delivery in September, because they have all the numbers too (e.g. 28nm foundry cycle times, time required for bumping/packaging). And they also know, not announcing a tape-out means probably that it was not done yet.

So KnC competitors most likely feel quite comfortable without hearing anything about it. It's harder for KnC customers, which are at the same time investors in a risky business where time-to-market is everything.

If KNCminer were a serious business, they would have used venture capital to order the wafers etc. not taken a penny in pre-order money off people, and stormed onto the market with all guns blazing after not having warned the competiton they were coming. Hopefully they will do that with future products.

[jmaccoin]

Interesting articles on Wikipedia that I enjoyed reading on this topic:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FPGA_prototype
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application-specific_integrated_circuit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_cell