Because people unconsciously use fiat to measure value, they got this habit since they were born, there is almost no escape
Not really. People use whatever is commonly accepted to measure value. It happens to be RMB in China, USD in US, JPY in Japan, which are fiat currencies. However, it's not because they're fiat that they're used to measure value. It's because they're commonly accepted everywhere that they're used to measure value. If bitcoin can be used in every store in a city, then the residents there will probably switch to measuring things in bitcoin pretty soon. It's like how you can switch from USD to Euros if you move from US to France or something. There's nothing magical about "fiat". The unit of value is a psychological demand, people give trust to those medium that have the highest credibility and widest acceptance, which require a powerful entity's backing like fiat or long history of popularity like gold. Bitcoin is too young, with no one backing, its value is largely decided by the speculative demand on exchanges, thus fluctuates wildly, and the security is difficult to handle. To make it worse, the sudden reward halving every 4 years will like some kind of financial emission which keeps the volatility forever high Of course it will become an option if the fiat currency's value fluctuate wildly due to currency wars out there. But most likely it will become some kind of digital assets with high risk and high reward. Most of the people will still be the slaves of fiat money, but those a few who get hold of bitcoin can get out of the slave camp some day
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I don't agree. Bitcoin's problem is not fiat but the lack of mass adaption. This however results from too few useful real life applications which using Bitcoin. It is too hard to get into all this Bitcoin stuff when you don't have a technical background or interest. tldr version?
Bitcoin's problem is fiat. And people don't care because they want higher fiat prices. The lack of mass adoption is a consequence of the 'lack of knowledge' and we know that some people don't want to learn and don't like the "new technology" so I think this is another problem. The problem I see with bitcoin is what the hell is taking the Willy bot so long to come back. That would surely shut everyone up. You want moon?? There! Good job Willy! Everyone happy. Willy says fuck ya'll.
Then we can say the problem for bitcoin is the willy bot, and that bot used a lot of FIAT currencies... so the problem is the FIAT 'part' ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fnodownloadzoneforum.net%2Fpublic%2Fstyle_emoticons%2Fdefault%2FAsd.gif&t=663&c=L8MmzdOA-lo3KQ) . I think we have a problem! Get Willy to pump BTC to over 10,000 USD. These threads and bullshit opinions about the problems of BTC... GONE! Everybody will start counting their benjamins.![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fcurrencyguide.eu%2Fusd-en%2F100usd_new.png&t=663&c=0vwnltq-3rhELw) I think you're right. On the long run this is what 90% of the people in here want. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F1TVSvPg.png&t=663&c=ogI6OMEkukIukA) It's exactly how these kind of people were shaken out by huge speculative bubbles in the past. Few understand that when the time comes, you just don't need to convert to fiat. If someone just aims 10K, he will miss the chance to see it reaching 1 million
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In mining, lots of costs can be deducted as company expense/investment, while the bitcoin income can disappear into cyberspace, maybe it is this aspect attracts lots of industry miners ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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Full node can run p2pool for its miners to benefit from the operation, we just need p2pool to become more popular
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There can not be deflation when the money supply increases. However people's income is different: Those in the bottom of the food chain are still suffering from a lower demand and lower income, while those at the top of the food chain are getting higher income and higher demand for those things that are not included in inflation/deflation statistics (capital goods and assets)
So the price of capital goods and assets will rise quickly, bring hyperinflation at top of the food chain, while the price of daily consumption goods will still drop, drag the CPI, PCE indicator down
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Poor dude Most of the options just never execute, the pricing model is like a casino house, your chance of winning against the house is extremely low
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Because people unconsciously use fiat to measure value, they got this habit since they were born, there is almost no escape
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"XBT Provider AB (publ) är en del av KnCGroup, som är garant för certifikatet." knc is dumping their coins ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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The key question is if the FIN-2013-G001 guidance has lawful status
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Reward halving to be only 1/3 or 1/4, that will not change the limited total supply but smooth out the distribution phase. Current reward halving scheme is just too steep that causes large appreciation expectation in general
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A bank run by the pension fund ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif) All those large institutions will eventually understand that banks do not have any money in their pocket, what they have is just some numbers in their database, just like MTGOX. That's the essential of FRB, but I guess those pension fund managers have no idea about it
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Exactly, mining cost will eventually get close to its market price due to arbitraging
Imagine that one bitcoin only cost $20 to mine but the market price is $200, what will happen? Everyone who want to get bitcoin will mine, no one will buy. And many arbitragers will mine and sell for a quick and immediate fiat profit, that will drive the market price down, and raise the mining cost, until they get close
Similarly, when one bitcoin cost $200 to mine but the market price is $20, all the people want to get bitcoin will stop mining and go to exchanges to purchase, all the miner will refuse to sell, thus raise the market price and lower the difficulty and mining cost, until they get close
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The truth is, if everyone use bitcoin to save for retirement, then bitcoin will rise to at least millions per coin, thus make that pension plan a huge success, it is just a matter of time before major institutions start to dive in. Currently lots of private person already started to do private long term savings using bitcoin
For 5 years performance, bitcoin beats every single investment in human history when it comes to risk adjusted return: With a 1% risk you get 100% return. And typically for a successful investment, with 1% risk you get 3% return. So from the view of a pension fund (they typically measure 10+ years performance of any investment), this is the top choice, just need regulation to be in place
Lol. You're funny. Citing 5 year returns makes things look marvelous, never mind that barely anyone on this forum was here back then, and the huge returns you cite were only achievable because Bitcoin started from nothing, where even rising in price to a dollar a coin would yield phenomenal returns statistics. Plus, by zooming out to 5 years, you get to pretend that bitcoins on an ever increasing upward trajectory,and that its been a phenomenal investment year in and year out. Never mind the last 16 or so months,never mind thAt BTC was at the absolute bottom of investment results last year. But yeah, somehow thee entire world is going to hop into BTC, I'm sure... That 1:100 risk/reward ratio only counts from the end of 2012 to the end of 2014, just 24 months. If you think 5 years time is not enough, you might also think 10 years time is not enough, you should wait 20 years before you confirm its success, but by then you will lose most of the potential gain from it Actually the decision making difficulty is almost the same when bitcoin is at $0.03 or $3 or $300, you always face an uncertain future and ridiculous price, and large wild swing of exchange rate, so that you never know for sure if one day you wake up and find out it just crashed 90%. That's the reason a pension fund should never allocate more than 1% of its funds, but that is like buying a lottery with 50% chance of getting the value of your whole portfolio doubled, almost a no-brainer buy And the worst performance of 2014 is definitely not bitcoin. If you adjust the volatility of other investment to be the same as bitcoin, then their performance will be much worse: A 90% retracement of bitcoin comes after a gain of 100X, but a 90% retracement of crude oil, comes as a result of a gain of only 2x (when you adjust the crude price by 2x leverage)
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Give me the right of creating money then I don't care who is studying macroeconomics ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) "In the name of economy" is the most cunning excuse I see over my life time. Economy itself consists of shows and shows of scam and chess play, it always rob those innocent participants who have no idea of how the scheme works. You can even observe plenty of these scam in a small economy like bitcoin ecosystem, not even mention the real economy
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![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fprofile_images%2F2586664217%2Fo78k5fogx5g3hdy6peai.jpeg&t=663&c=3yay0XURGEsTSw) In the simplest form how would it be possible for the price not to rise substantially in the next couple of years? Diminishing supply + growing exposure + exponential investment + trading options = positive price increase.
I'm not sure why anyone would be concerned about investing in the technology... this is a great time to expand the wallet. How many will be regretful for not taking advantage of early 2015 pricing?
The price is going to continue falling. The main issue with Bitcoin is it's only really useful for criminals (drug dealing, money laundering, etc.) Think about it: Why would someone convert their fiat into BTC so they can then go to Taco Bell, or Wal-Mart, or fill in the blank, and buy a bean burrito with bitcoin? The additional exchange step is unneeded. To make matters worse you have to keep a record of capital gains. And buying bitcoin is not easy. Fact: Bitcoin is unneeded by 99% of the world population. It's a fun experiment with limited practical use. Steve Jobs and Bill Gates created something that everyone wants, Satoshi created something that every criminal wants. Fortunately, there are a lot of criminals in the world to sustain the currency, but there's not enough ordinary consumer demand to get bitcoin mainstream. Only care about gadgets while missing the big picture? Satoshi created something that free everyone from banks' slavery People want to convert their fiat into bitcoin because fiat is a scam, why accept something that is created out of thin air instead of something created with real valuable resources? Of course most of the people are so ignorant that they don't understand the scam of banks, but with the help of internet, more and more people will wake up
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The truth is, if everyone use bitcoin to save for retirement, then bitcoin will rise to at least millions per coin, thus make that pension plan a huge success, it is just a matter of time before major institutions start to dive in. Currently lots of private person already started to do private long term savings using bitcoin
For 5 years performance, bitcoin beats every single investment in human history when it comes to risk adjusted return: With a 1% risk you get 100% return. And typically for a successful investment, with 1% risk you get 3% return. So from the view of a pension fund (they typically measure 10+ years performance of any investment), this is the top choice, just need regulation to be in place
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One of the input of this transaction is still unconfirmed, that's the reason this one can not be done before that input is confirmed, what could be the cause of that unconfirmed input? A double spending?
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There is no world-wide money transfer system that settles transaction faster than those 4 hours. Well, Bitcoin and its clones are most of the time much faster. If you are willing to accept the risc of chargebacks, you should accept 0-confirmation transactions.
I send euro from my bank to the person with the same bank in 1-2 hours. You are not sending euro, just some numbers changed in your bank, similar to doing an internal transaction in one of the bitcoin exchanges, some numbers changed in your bank's database, does not involve any real money transfer
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