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1641  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Would you pay taxes if you could live off bitcoins? on: July 07, 2012, 09:24:16 PM
We have differing opinions; that doesn't make either of us retarded or lazy.

"Never assume malice when stupidity will suffice."

So you're saying you're malicious in your misinterpretation of the apparent libertarian position, then?
Your quote doesn't apply.

I have been trying to explain the real world effects of the libertarian position, as I see them.

You are free to disagree.  
1642  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Would you pay taxes if you could live off bitcoins? on: July 07, 2012, 09:18:29 PM
No of course he didn't ..........

I give up. You guys are just too retarded to understand or too lazy to try and I not your prent nor your kindergarten teacher, nor a policitian trying to convert you. Good luck figuring it out (maybe e-reading my post in chronological order will help).

Good night
A sad post to end your debate with. Reflects badly on you.

We have differing opinions; that doesn't make either of us retarded or lazy.



I think its because you are oppressing him, not the other way around. You want to force people to pay for things they don't want/need for people they don't know. He has a right to be pissed at you. You want us locked in a rape cage for disagreeing with you. We just want you to leave us alone.
I never said I thought the punishment for not paying taxes should be prison. Stop putting words in my mouth.

1643  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Would you pay taxes if you could live off bitcoins? on: July 07, 2012, 09:13:32 PM
No of course he didn't ..........

I give up. You guys are just too retarded to understand or too lazy to try and I not your prent nor your kindergarten teacher, nor a policitian trying to convert you. Good luck figuring it out (maybe e-reading my post in chronological order will help).

Good night
A sad post to end your debate with. Reflects badly on you.

We have differing opinions; that doesn't make either of us retarded or lazy.

Edit: But yeah, enough is enough for one night. Bed beckons.

1644  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Would you pay taxes if you could live off bitcoins? on: July 07, 2012, 08:55:06 PM
Oh I'll most definitely choose and tell you the second is far far worse. The first isn't bad at all it's part of life (deer with three legs have less chances of survival and reproduction). I really do suggest anyone that thinks they are responsible for saving everyone's life to take a look at Darwin's work because you must have missed the point. People dying is not a bad thing.
Darwin did not write On the Origin of Species as a political philosophy.
1645  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Would you pay taxes if you could live off bitcoins? on: July 07, 2012, 08:52:14 PM
cryptoanarchist, you haven't answered this:

Quote
2/3. Even in a system with lower cost health care due to the free market, there will still be people who cannot afford to pay. They may be living month to month, or they may even be destitute and have no money whatsoever. What happens to them?

Yeah I have. I even gave an example: Wal-Mart
Sorry, I missed that post.

Even with a Wal-Mart of healthcare there would still be people that couldn't afford to pay for healthcare. These people would die.


so where do you stop in your quest to save every human on the planet? If people can't pay for healthcare in a free market that will be their own choice. Or they're just not doing anything productive, and in that case they should die.

You see Scott?  He says "they should die" but you know if it was his baby, he'd be banging on the hospital door for help.

Free-loader.
He certainly would.

And he seems to ignore all the factors that may result in him not having enough money to pay for healthcare. Factors that he would have no influence over.
1646  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Would you pay taxes if you could live off bitcoins? on: July 07, 2012, 08:49:17 PM
cryptoanarchist, you haven't answered this:

Quote
2/3. Even in a system with lower cost health care due to the free market, there will still be people who cannot afford to pay. They may be living month to month, or they may even be destitute and have no money whatsoever. What happens to them?

Yeah I have. I even gave an example: Wal-Mart
Sorry, I missed that post.

Even with a Wal-Mart of healthcare there would still be people that couldn't afford to pay for healthcare. These people would die.


so where do you stop in your quest to save every human on the planet? If people can't pay for healthcare in a free market that will be their own choice. Or they're just not doing anything productive, and in that case they should die.

I mean its pretty simple: you work for money, then you use that money for healthcare. In a free market, someone will be able to provide it cheaply.

Some people might not have the money for Taco Bell, and starve, but does that mean we should start stealing tacos from productive people to feed them???
How about disabled or mentally ill people?

Does your callousness extend to them as well?
1647  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Would you pay taxes if you could live off bitcoins? on: July 07, 2012, 08:43:16 PM
I suggest you read Darwin's work
I suggest you don't take Darwin's work as a system to live by, but merely as a description of the natural world.
1648  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Would you pay taxes if you could live off bitcoins? on: July 07, 2012, 08:41:19 PM
So, what is worse:

Letting people die because they haven't accumulated enough wealth (either through lack of effort or through mental/physical deficiencies.

or

Forcing the population to pay a level of tax in order to provide universal healthcare to all.

1649  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Would you pay taxes if you could live off bitcoins? on: July 07, 2012, 08:36:35 PM
cryptoanarchist, you haven't answered this:

Quote
2/3. Even in a system with lower cost health care due to the free market, there will still be people who cannot afford to pay. They may be living month to month, or they may even be destitute and have no money whatsoever. What happens to them?

Yeah I have. I even gave an example: Wal-Mart
Sorry, I missed that post.

Even with a Wal-Mart of healthcare there would still be people that couldn't afford to pay for healthcare. These people would die.


1650  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Would you pay taxes if you could live off bitcoins? on: July 07, 2012, 08:13:43 PM
cryptoanarchist, you haven't answered this:

Quote
2/3. Even in a system with lower cost health care due to the free market, there will still be people who cannot afford to pay. They may be living month to month, or they may even be destitute and have no money whatsoever. What happens to them?
1651  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Would you pay taxes if you could live off bitcoins? on: July 07, 2012, 06:37:42 PM
@FirstAscent

You have too many inaccurate statements here to point each out.

So are you saying that goods are provided better at the point of a gun?

Point out the inaccurate statements. Start a new thread if you wish. Or engage me via PM.

Let's start with "Sometimes, and only temporarily."

No, competition always drives down price. That's basic logic. Monopoly prices are higher to maximize revenue if there is no one to offer an alternative.
In a completely free market with no regulation, what is to stop several large corporations with economies of scale colluding on price?

Any smaller companies couldn't compete fairly and therefore the price wouldn't be driven down.
1652  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Would you pay taxes if you could live off bitcoins? on: July 07, 2012, 06:05:51 PM

I do pay for my own healthcare - through taxes.

Free market competition in health care only works for those that can afford it.

In your ideal society, what happens to the people that can't afford to pay for their healthcare?


1. No, you don't. You pay PART of your healthcare - the rest you are demanding taxpayers pay. You either want taxpayer money or you don't - if you don't, you don't need socialized medicine to help pay for it. If you do, then you're not paying it all yourself, are you?

2. Free market competition brings prices DOWN. The high healthcare costs you claim people can't pay are a DIRECT RESULT of people like you demanding that others are robbed to pay for crooks to run the system. What incentive does the government have to reduce prices? Answer: None

3. In a FREE society, people will cater to the poor because that is where the largest revenues are. Ask the ghost of Sam Walton. Its your government programs that screw the poor the most.
1. Some people pay in more than they receive back through public services.

2/3. Even in a system with lower cost health care due to the free market, there will still be people who cannot afford to pay. They may be living month to month, or they may even be destitute and have no money whatsoever. What happens to them?
1653  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Would you pay taxes if you could live off bitcoins? on: July 07, 2012, 04:29:40 PM
I too would pay taxes. I think taxation is necessary one way or another, I only question the amount needed to be taxed.
This.

The NHS is one of the examples where public provision of a service through forced taxation is a necessary evil. 

There is no such thing as a "necessary evil"..unless you're evil.
Sadly, is this world, you often have to pick the lesser of two evils.

If forcing people to pay tax prevents a greater evil then so be it.

No, you don't. In this world or any other. What you said is called a "cop-out"

Furthermore, people like you pose a problem for me that transcends me being able to tolerate you. You are attempting to oppress me through the state. I don't want the healthcare that you seem determined to rob people to fund, and I don't like you pointing a gun at my head telling me I have to "pay or else".

The alternative is to pay for your own goddam healthcare. If its too expensive, its your own fucking fault for allowing the government to subsidize healthcare at all in the first place. Government subsidies raise the price, free market competition lowers it - how hard is that to understand?!?
I do pay for my own healthcare - through taxes.

Free market competition in health care only works for those that can afford it.

In your ideal society, what happens to the people that can't afford to pay for their healthcare?
1654  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Would you pay taxes if you could live off bitcoins? on: July 07, 2012, 03:10:25 PM
I too would pay taxes. I think taxation is necessary one way or another, I only question the amount needed to be taxed.
This.

The NHS is one of the examples where public provision of a service through forced taxation is a necessary evil. 

There is no such thing as a "necessary evil"..unless you're evil.
Sadly, is this world, you often have to pick the lesser of two evils.

If forcing people to pay tax prevents a greater evil then so be it.
1655  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Would you pay taxes if you could live off bitcoins? on: July 07, 2012, 02:12:05 PM
I too would pay taxes. I think taxation is necessary one way or another, I only question the amount needed to be taxed.
This.

The NHS is one of the examples where public provision of a service through forced taxation is a necessary evil. 
1656  Economy / Services / Re: WTS Demonoid Accounts - 23BTC for 23 Accounts! - 60% OFF! on: July 07, 2012, 02:00:38 PM
Yep, you shouldn't sell them.

PM me for a free invite.
1657  Other / Off-topic / Re: What will pirateat40 do with his booty / bounty ? on: July 05, 2012, 10:44:17 PM
I don't know, but I hope he writes a book about all this Smiley
1658  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BITCOIN MAGAZINE ARRIVED! on: July 05, 2012, 05:56:47 PM
Matthew, is the Silk Road article going to appear in the next issue?

If so, I would rather wait!

Also, when is the next issue out?  Grin
1659  Economy / Lending / Re: Btc loan request 4.5btc on: July 04, 2012, 09:47:10 PM
What I found really disrespectful was when nckrazze insisted a lender did the shoe on head thing to get a loan.

If he thought he was a scammer I could understand it, but he filled the loan then posted the photo Undecided

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=88453
1660  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: Bitcoin Savings and Trust | Home on: July 04, 2012, 07:15:25 PM
I've been informed by Theymos of the following:

The starter of the topic may not change rules after posting their topic (not even by editing the topic post).
I don't see any reason to enforce such a rule - there are several threads where the 'FUD' can be discussed and pirate has even posted links to them in the OP  Huh



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