How was the pre-ICO money collected for this project?

Was there an ICO company involved or just funds being forwarded to a wallet?

There is no whitepaper for this project and an earlier post suggested there will not be one either. Make of that what you will.

@khufuking thank you for the link. Yes the name yahoo62278 came up in the past I will look in to it. So did jamaleazaz but I prefer to work with a campaign manager who will not have more than 2 or 3 campaigns at any given point as it will be my first ICO and I will need to believe the campaign manager will give attention and focus when needed.

@9jaflick thank you for the link. That name (MedaR) was never mentioned before so it is refreshing to see other names that are being recommended. I am still trying to sort several things out and have time therefore will make contact with all potential campaign managers in due course - cheeeeeers

I am looking for one too...

Suretly are showing the ICO2GO logo on their funding page therefore they will pay 10% commission, that is the only package they have with a logo/fee. If they pay BTC upfront the commission becomes less but they have chosen the free ICO option which has a default fee of 10%

Not a good deal when having to pay out 10%

Well done Suretly for raising $1.842 million so far...

Of that amount 10% will be kept by the ICO management company so $1.657 as of yet will go to Suretly (not $1.842)

Wow, $180k in commission fees so far. ICO management companies are raking in the cash !!

True one of the best ways to become a millionaire is from an ICO 

I never jumped on the Monaco Card bandwagon because I did not like the set up which made millions for the project team in the ICO but did not tell investors where and how the funds would be spent. To date nobody has explained how much money was invested in which part of the project.

I refuse to participate in projects that have no clarity. I never had any Monaco coins and never want any.

I thought he resolved his issue with the project team and was back on-board?

Hence my previous post where I wrote that dark days of uncertainty lay ahead

Thank you for your reply. If it is true that Roger Ver has no economics experience then it seems he might be making a wrong move with the fork but time will tell. As for his lack of coding skills, I think it is irrelevant when you have hundreds of millions of $US in the bank thanks to bitcoin holdings. Many people share your view and many disagree with it but I have to say that if someone has been in prison it (especially once and especially for a non-violent act and not for a scam) then surely it is not right to hold it against them or to highlight it or to use it as a weapon against them in an intellectual debate.

On the issue of the fork, I am one of the ones that says there is no need to do anything and leaving bitcoin core as is (for now at least) is the best way to go. If and when there is an even wider debate on the issue then it might be appropriate to take steps to try to fork but for now there is no need for it and it seems to me that those who are pushing for a split are basically trying force something now that can be done years down the line with increased consensus and better preparation.

In my opinion the sense of urgency being created around this split is fake, it is hyped up and it is being forced upon everyone even though there is no urgency on hand. If I am wrong then so be it but if I am right the question arises: Why is it being done and who is to benefit from the fork?

Dark days of uncertainty ahead...

Well done to the Suretly Team, they hit their $1.5m target.

I believe both I listed in the OP have options to either pay upfront and pay no future percentages or pay nothing upfront and pay using percentages.

Still, it is a lot of money to raise.

Sorry for missing your reply thus not replying earlier. I heard many stories about MtGox and others like them but it seems you got your coins out before they went under. Imagine having all those coins, bitcoin and alike but losing them because they were held on an exchange.

I have just realised you are Roger Ver. First of all, thank you for replying and explaining you seem to be doing what you think is best for bitcoin. I disagree with you when you say you seem to have a better knowledge of how bitcoin came to be used as money rather than investors or supporters that arrived on the scene later but nevertheless I appreciate your honest post and am sure it will be appreciated by whoever reads it. From what you say this seems to about practicality, usability and longevity of bitcoin rather than about one individual that wishes to change the system because of the number of coins he owns and influence he can have. It also seems that this process is not because you want to double your coins accross wallets (albeit temporarily) either.

I wish you success with your coins, well done for spotting a potential blockbuster investment all those years ago when many had not heard of bitcoin. I do not know if that $25k you invested initially was a punt in the dark or a calculated risk but it set you on a path to great riches. If you would like me to remove the thread title indicating you own 300k bitcoin then please let me know and I will do it as you mentioned the number you own is private.

So is the fork definitely going ahead on 1st August 2017? To get various exchanges onboard would be a task in itself but according to the links in the opening post there are plenty that are looking forward to the fork so there is a degree of concensus but it goes both ways there are arguments for the split and and against the split. If it goes ahead I hope it does not cause disruption or uncertainty for investors and merchants.

The way it seems explained in the links is that there is a way that coin holders can double their coins, same amount on both BTC and BTU. If he has 300k now he will end up with 600k but there is speculation that this Roger Ver bloke has used up a lot of that 300k bitcoin to invest in to other projects.

Having re-read a post I will reply to in a few minutes it seems Roger Ver is here...

Just 5 or 6 days ago you had a very generic yet stereotypical and non-pleasant view of Indians but now you are pushing for this coin.. what changed your mind to back it?

Thank you. On their website they have not advertised their fee structure.

Software devs might be no more or no less economists than a refuse collector or supermarket checkout cashier. Likewise, economists might be no more or no less economists than a refuse collector or supermarket checkout cashier...

Surely it does not have to be an 'either or' situation

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