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1661  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Algorithms used in Bitcoin are expected to be strong until at least 2030 on: July 27, 2023, 11:50:01 AM
For example, it is quite easy to implement one-time-fee-discount. I wonder why altcoins that forked from BTC didn't do that in the first place, instead of replay protection. For example, it is possible to create a rule, where you can move some coin for free, if that coin was included before block number X. Then, transition from some old to new address type could be free, but only once, and at the same time, people won't move back from new to old address type, because then their transaction will be included in some later block, and they will pay a regular price for that.
You are forgetting that what you pay as transaction fee is actually the money you pay for the scarce space on the blockchain which means it does not matter at all whether your coins were created 10 seconds ago or 10 years ago if the portion of the block space you want to "purchase" is the same. Not to mention that fees are not enforced at protocol level, it is only policy rules (miners preference).

As for altcoins, they don't cost much anyway so their fees are super cheap which means there is no reason to bother with any changes like that Tongue
1662  Economy / Speculation / Re: The price of a Bitcoin could cost millions of dollars: Standard Chartered on: July 25, 2023, 04:12:48 PM
Yes $100k is arbitrary number but so was $20K and you can say it acted as good resistance. I actually assumed Bitcoin would of peaked at $10K and $50K in prior cycles. Was wrong both times. And I think $100K will be the same.

Instead of peaking at $100k it will peak earlier at like $90K or peak after at $110K or so. When $100K break many will buy and probably the top will be around some figure such as $115K or $120K before it reverses like before.
Historically speaking bitcoin price tends to shoot up after it breaks certain strong resistances, specially round numbers like $10k and $100k. We saw it in 2017 and 2013 and 2010. This means when we reach $100k and go above it, there will be a lot less "friction" for further rise so the price can easily soar up because very few would sell at those prices. Before you know it, price could be half a million...
1663  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Version 3 transactions on: July 25, 2023, 03:05:50 PM
Already, Version 1 and version 2 transactions exist on Layer 1 (the latter version being for those transactions that use improved BIP68 locktime behavior), but there are no standard transactions with different version numbers in the wild.
The utilization of transaction versions (and to some extent block versions) have been very disappointing so far. I dare say we have wasted 4 bytes per all transactions in the past 14 years, even the version 2 use cases are very niche and are rarely used.
What I gather from version 3 proposal is that it is another underwhelming utilization since it is all standard/policy rules not consensus rules.
1664  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: P2WSH Multisig and Timelock question on: July 25, 2023, 03:45:56 AM
Sorry to hijack but can anyone help with spending a transaction from a time lock address???

I accidentally made the time lock 7140000 instead of 714000 and that means I have to wait 120 years to spend the coins. Please can anyone help?Huh
If you created the script correctly then there is no way to spend these coins and nobody can help. The Bitcoin protocol is solid and will not allow these coins to move until block #7140000
Otherwise the only chance you have is if you made a mistake (wrong locktime value, using a branch that could be skipped, etc.) in which case you can post your full redeem script (like the ones you see in this topic) containing the OP codes, the locktime value and your public key here for people to see if there is any chance.
1665  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: Wallet that allows Multiple Mnemonics on: July 25, 2023, 03:29:53 AM
I was hoping to see people actually answer the question. Nope everyone offers their unsolicited advice as opposed to answering the f****** question. grrrrrr
You won't get any better answers than the ones provided here without explicitly explaining the actual "purpose" of what you need because in special cases like this question here the purpose significantly changes the approach. For example in puzzle solving and brute forcing cases like the ones your post history indicates you are interested in, none of the above answers can work. There needs to be a specialized software written specifically for deriving keys and checking against a predefined local database.
1666  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: For newbies and plebs who want to self-study to become "traders" on: July 24, 2023, 01:00:13 PM
Investment and trading books, articles and videos are made by people who might not actually be winning traders. They make their money by writing "investment materials" and sell it to us, the plebs.
This is so true.

Another way of scamming people is to create a lot of "signals" regularly and these scammers use social media (eg. twitter or telegram). Basically they buy a shitcoin then start advertising it as a "good shitcoin to buy" so that after others bought it and price went up, they could dump it and make profit while others bag-hold and lose money.
They are easy to recognize too because if anybody had a "good signal" they wouldn't be giving it away for free or even for money. They'd invest themselves and make a lot of money.
1667  Economy / Economics / Re: Federal Reserve launches FedNow instant payment service on: July 24, 2023, 11:08:35 AM
Quote from: pooya87
Do you seriously not understand the difference between centralized fiat (and its alternatives) and decentralized money that is bitcoin after 2 years of being in this forum? Or are you just joking around with this?
So I guess that means you get paid in bitcoin while most people get paid in fiat. They don't care about how much bitcoin their paycheck is worth they care about what it can buy them at the grocery store or somewhere else.
These are entirely different and irrelevant arguments involving bitcoin price which has nothing to do with the decentralized versus centralized subject. When you use centralized currency you are still at the mercy of the centralized authority, if they want to charge back the money you received they can do it easily, if they want to shut down your account they can do it in a blinking of an eye, if they want to put their hands in your pocket and take some of your money they can do that too, and a lot more. They can't do any of it when you use decentralized money.

Having bitcoin is nice but let's be honest, it's not convenient to use. You can't even use it on ebay and why would you want to?
You should not want to do that because ebay is centralized and it doesn't mix well with decentralized money. There is already alternatives  such as openbazar that are more decentralized and are suitable.
1668  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin - The road to a SIX DIGIT price valuation on: July 24, 2023, 10:47:17 AM
I still believe that ETF effects on bitcoin price has been greatly exaggerated, although it will definitely have a positive effect on the price.
Do you believe that $500,000 per Bitcoin is merely an exaggeration by 2025 - 2026 considering Bitcoin's trajectory since 2010?
What I think is that ETF is not the only way we can reach $500k or even a million in the next couple of years although it can be a decent catalyst. In fact you should have seen my predictions a couple of years ago saying in this cycle (the one starting after 2018) price should have reached the ATH of $400k to $500k. I still believe that my prediction was correct, the only problem was the unprecedented economic events on a global scale which is what makes the prediction harder than any other time.

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The context of the topic is in how Gold's ETF, during 2003, helped started a strong surge on its price, AND it's trading near its ATH despite going through different economic crashes/crises. It could probably happen for Bitcoin too after ETF approval, no?
That's True.
1669  Economy / Economics / Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions on: July 24, 2023, 07:28:14 AM
The mains purpose for the black sea grain deal as brokered by Russia and Ukraine was to make sure supply of grains in good quantity is spread around the poor nations of the world by the Ukraine through the back sea but from what we are getting from analysis of 32.9 million metric tonnes exported from Ukraine since August more than half of it were going to the developed and advanced nations that are well to do with just about 2.5% to the poor nations an export diversion that's closely monitored by UN reps and Turkey yet no alarm was raised about this.
It was last year that I said this deal is only going to benefit NATO while the propaganda machines in Europe were constantly talking about helping Africa with the deal. It was obvious from day one that Europe is desperately trying to fill their storages and diminish the effects of the food crisis in EU.
Today the stats are also showing that they did steal the food that was supposed to go to poor countries such as Africa. It is a lot higher than reported in the news.

The only reason why propaganda machines are active again and severely brainwashed people like OP are talking about food security in the "world" is because after this deal was broken Europe will start experiencing the food crisis that was going on in places like Africa to some extent.

P.S. This could also be another reason why US is increasing tensions in West Asia by destabilizing the whole region by activating its terrorist proxies considering that this is the land based route that is being established that could move goods including food stuff to Africa (and elsewhere) much quicker and safer without EU or US being able to steal any of it...
1670  Economy / Economics / Re: Russian ruble is scam on: July 24, 2023, 07:15:45 AM
The subject is too silly! First of all fiat currencies don't default, the governments default on their national debt. It also is not limited to Russia, it is true about all fiat currencies since every single government has been printing fiat nonstop and increasing the national debt which they eventually default. The only difference is the size of that debt and the speed at which it grows.
By all measures US dollar is the worst since it has has the fastest speed at which the national debt grows not to mention that it also has the biggest debt of all times which US government defaulted just recently.

https://www.usdebtclock.org/world-debt-clock.html
1671  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Obtaining legitimate wallets to try and crack them? on: July 24, 2023, 04:16:34 AM
They are all scam and some even give you trojans and stuff like that. If they were real and contained such massive amounts of bitcoin, they wouldn't have sold them in first place!

If you want to waste computing power and electricity it is much more profitable and productive to start mining some GPU minable PoW shitcoins and dump them in exchanges for bitcoin. There are a bunch of "whattomine" websites that can guide you and also there is a altcoin mining board which you can read and learn more.
1672  Economy / Economics / Re: Federal Reserve launches FedNow instant payment service on: July 24, 2023, 04:08:33 AM
If I could send money using this thing internationally to anyone why would I need bitcoin?
Do you seriously not understand the difference between centralized fiat (and its alternatives) and decentralized money that is bitcoin after 2 years of being in this forum? Or are you just joking around with this?
1673  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Found My Key, Uncompressed on: July 23, 2023, 05:58:31 AM
I do know that I can generate the address from the key as is but I tried to import the private key to a wallet and it said that it must be compressed to import?

Also, it requires a signature since it's P2PKH. Also, the block reward for mining it suppose to be 50 BTC that generates a new block. So, I also want to mine it if I can.
What is the name of the wallet you are importing your key into? Because the 3 highlighted statements above make that tool sound very suspicious since this is not the normal behavior of a normal wallet.
A normal wallet doesn't generate uncompressed keys but allows you to import or sweep them.
A normal wallet also doesn't require a signature when you import your key!
A normal wallet also doesn't have a "mining" option let alone with a 50BTC reward specially since the current reward is for a block is 6.25!
1674  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Dumb seeds phrases on: July 23, 2023, 05:51:07 AM
What were they thinking?
It's not possible to know motivation of all of them but this is pretty similar to using keys in low ranges (eg. key=1) and using known keys (like the one in bitcoin wiki page) or known mnemonics (eg. test vectors) or the silly brainwallets.
The reasons go from a silly "treasure hunt" which is basically a donation to anybody who can get there faster, to mistakes people made when testing these things with real money.
1675  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: How many combinations will there be? on: July 23, 2023, 05:46:22 AM
You seem to love helping out stranger looters and while you are at it, they will use whatever you or others provide to empty people's addresses "if they get the chance"!
Basic mathematics including combination which we learned in high school is not going to help you break ECC or solve ECDLP. Not to mention that one could find this information with a quick search in Google since as I said this is basic math. Tongue
1676  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Algorithms used in Bitcoin are expected to be strong until at least 2030 on: July 23, 2023, 04:58:42 AM
SEC estimated these years based on a simple extrapolation and haven't updated the document ever since
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The extrapolations are also loosely based on a simple assumption similar to Moore’s law:
computing power will grow by a factor of about 216 every decade. Therefore, the minimum adequate
security level must increase by 16 bits every 10 years. Future revisions of this standard may
amend this.
This is why the table 3 in Standard for Efficient Cryptography v2 states that ECC with 128-bit security level (256-bit key size) protects until year 2040 (2030 is for ECC-224).
https://www.secg.org/sec1-v2.pdf

I believe the number is also based on MIPS years, that is the estimated amount of work performed in one year by a computer operating at the rate of one million operations per second. The values in SEC.1 v2 are from 2009.
1677  Economy / Economics / Re: New currency from BRICS countries on: July 22, 2023, 05:09:34 PM
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China USD reserves are around 3 Trillon USD, so China itself will suffer huge blow if dollar collapse unless they get rid of there all USD holdings. Meanwhile there are news that 40 more countries are in line to join BRICS and this is enough to prove that the platform is getting popular globally. The most interesting part is that gulf countries are also taking interest in joining BRICS and if that happens then what will be fate of billion of USD that belongs to gulf countries but residing in US banks?
Interest in joining BRICS from all countries even from US-slave countries like France, shows the New World Order and the weakening of United States and the fiat they keep printing called dollar! However, this "weakening" is slowly happening and I don't think the chances of a catastrophic collapse is that high right now hence bag holding a lot of dollars in reserve while slowly dumping it as China is doing is the low risk move.

P.S. Is there any source that shows China's reserve currencies explicitly separated by their type? Because it seems like all sources including the state administration report an aggregated value of all assets (not just dollars) converted to dollar, it even states the change in value is due to "asset price changes" and I know some sources like worldbank reporting the $3.17 trillion include China's gold reserves in it.
1678  Economy / Economics / Re: New currency from BRICS countries on: July 21, 2023, 02:45:38 PM
I've thought BRICS would use BTC as their main currency especially to avoid sanctions and whatnot. But now I see that won't be the case with their plans to make a currency of their own backed by Gold.
As much as I like bitcoin but it is not yet ready for mass adoption, the price of it is too unreliable for such a large long term commitment like what BRICS countries are making. Imagine if you buy a million barrels of oil (what oil tankers usually carry) worth $80 million in bitcoin and the price drops by 10% which is a normal thing in bitcoin. That is $8 million loss. That's not favorable.
However a centralized currency created and controlled by them is a lot more reliable because they dictate its value (exchange rate) so it can be kept fixed.

At this point bitcoin is good for small size trades and as a small portion of the reserved assets of the country.
1679  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: 1 billion from Paramount movies on: July 21, 2023, 03:30:59 AM
In light of the recent pump in Dogecoin
That looks more like a dead cat bounce than a pump. A real pump is what happened in April and ended just as abruptly too when price reached 360+ satoshi (50%) or in November last year from 310 to 760 (145%).
Any pump now should be going back to above 300 sat at least, not what happened past week with a tiny rise from 213 to 240 satoshi (12%).

I also have no clue what any of this have to do with Hollywood! Cheesy
1680  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Brazil to launch CBDC, Github repo found on: July 21, 2023, 03:22:16 AM
They could have just hosted those documents on a website instead of on Github considering how Github is mainly a "code" sharing platform not documentation.
In any case a lot of countries have been working on their own centralized "digital" currency for a couple of years now and a handful of them even have working ones in testing phase. The Brazilian CBDC seems to also be one of the projects in the research phase being worked on for about 2-3 years which can also be found here: https://www.bcb.gov.br/en/financialstability/digital_brazilian_real
Frankly, this is the first time that I have heard that the project has been in the works for years, meaning that this is not new. The first thought that came to my mind is that the CBDC currency project is currently being studied within the framework of the BRICS alliance to be the approved currency in exchanges between the member countries of the alliance, and I wonder if there is a relationship between the two projects, especially since we do not know how that currency will be created within the framework of an alliance without specification Who will have the authority to control the currency.
That's a good point. I have been wondering about this too and I wonder whether in the future the replacement for dollar is going to be one or more CBDC.

I suppose it is possible too because a CBDC is technically a new currency and can have different characteristics. I'm just theorycrafting here but something like digital-yuan (the Chinese CBDC currently in use) could have a fixed exchange rate but be only used within the bloc between "friendly" countries while with others (like US and EU) they trade using the old methods with the old always-decreasing exchange rates to stay in competition.

That way they could solve the problem with fiat in international trades to some extend while replacing dollar in most of their trades decreasing their dependence on it.
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