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July 22, 2023, 11:50:03 AM
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As much as I like bitcoin but it is not yet ready for mass adoption, the price of it is too unreliable for such a large long term commitment like what BRICS countries are making. Imagine if you buy a million barrels of oil (what oil tankers usually carry) worth $80 million in bitcoin and the price drops by 10% which is a normal thing in bitcoin. That is $8 million loss. That's not favorable.
Taking care of an individual capital and investment is more easily than doing it for a nation. I can stake my capital, accept risk and afford to lose it but honestly I can not do it with my national treasury. Especially if I don't host a public referendum for that decision. A national treasury can not be staked with a very volatile asset like Bitcoin.

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However a centralized currency created and controlled by them is a lot more reliable because they dictate its value (exchange rate) so it can be kept fixed.
Governments can control their fiat currrencies, CBDCs and adjust their policies to support their currencies. They don't control inflation well but at least they will feel safer when they can control their currencies with their power and policies. With Bitcoin, they know that they can not control it because of its high decentralization.

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At this point bitcoin is good for small size trades and as a small portion of the reserved assets of the country.
I agree with you that a small portion of a national treasury as a reserved asset is acceptable by assessing risk.

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July 22, 2023, 05:09:34 PM
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China USD reserves are around 3 Trillon USD, so China itself will suffer huge blow if dollar collapse unless they get rid of there all USD holdings. Meanwhile there are news that 40 more countries are in line to join BRICS and this is enough to prove that the platform is getting popular globally. The most interesting part is that gulf countries are also taking interest in joining BRICS and if that happens then what will be fate of billion of USD that belongs to gulf countries but residing in US banks?
Interest in joining BRICS from all countries even from US-slave countries like France, shows the New World Order and the weakening of United States and the fiat they keep printing called dollar! However, this "weakening" is slowly happening and I don't think the chances of a catastrophic collapse is that high right now hence bag holding a lot of dollars in reserve while slowly dumping it as China is doing is the low risk move.

P.S. Is there any source that shows China's reserve currencies explicitly separated by their type? Because it seems like all sources including the state administration report an aggregated value of all assets (not just dollars) converted to dollar, it even states the change in value is due to "asset price changes" and I know some sources like worldbank reporting the $3.17 trillion include China's gold reserves in it.

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July 22, 2023, 06:43:36 PM
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It appears that the US is gradually recognizing the potential threat to its economy, but it seems to be resorting to its usual approach of pressuring African countries, warning them about potential consequences if they don't comply. The US has assigned Nuland to visit South Africa before the upcoming BRICS meeting, aiming to convince them to align with their position. Additionally, four more countries have joined, bringing the total number of supporters to 44.
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July 22, 2023, 07:44:45 PM
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P.S. Is there any source that shows China's reserve currencies explicitly separated by their type? Because it seems like all sources including the state administration report an aggregated value of all assets (not just dollars) converted to dollar, it even states the change in value is due to "asset price changes" and I know some sources like worldbank reporting the $3.17 trillion include China's gold reserves in it.
In short, no.

In more detail, China is a very mysterious country with a closed economy that is difficult to externally analyze. There are quite good reasons to believe that in addition to the huge official gold and foreign exchange reserve of $3+ trillion, China has a commensurate shadow gold and foreign exchange reserve, which China uses to artificially maintain an undervalued yuan and actively spends on colossal infrastructure projects, such as building millionaire cities "for growth". By some estimates, China consumes 40 times more concrete than the United States, with comparable economies.

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July 24, 2023, 03:44:30 AM
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P.S. Is there any source that shows China's reserve currencies explicitly separated by their type? Because it seems like all sources including the state administration report an aggregated value of all assets (not just dollars) converted to dollar, it even states the change in value is due to "asset price changes" and I know some sources like worldbank reporting the $3.17 trillion include China's gold reserves in it.
Gold reserves by country. China is a first nation in the table and their gold reserves is more than double of Japan reserves. They have 2,068.36 tonnes than 845.97 of Japan.

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July 24, 2023, 06:40:03 PM
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As much as I like bitcoin but it is not yet ready for mass adoption, the price of it is too unreliable for such a large long term commitment like what BRICS countries are making. Imagine if you buy a million barrels of oil (what oil tankers usually carry) worth $80 million in bitcoin and the price drops by 10% which is a normal thing in bitcoin. That is $8 million loss. That's not favorable.
However a centralized currency created and controlled by them is a lot more reliable because they dictate its value (exchange rate) so it can be kept fixed.

At this point bitcoin is good for small size trades and as a small portion of the reserved assets of the country.

Sadly, that's the hard truth. BTC is extremely-volatile, which means you can either win big or lose it all in an instant. BRICS countries need something stable that would help them move money across borders with ease. The only logical option would be to make their own currency that would be under their complete control. I'd imagine the new currency would be digital, making use of Blockchain tech for cross-border payments. And backing it with Gold, would make sure the currency will retain its purchasing power no matter what. Similar to what the US did in the old days (except Blockchain tech didn't exist back then).

Whenever BRICS' efforts to displace the USD as the world's reserve currency will become a success or a failure, it's yet to be seen. It's going to take years, if not, decades before this happens. Either way, BTC will keep soaring towards new heights thanks to its decentralized and censorship-resistant design. Just my opinion Smiley

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July 25, 2023, 10:12:14 AM
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the fact that many countries have eliminated the dollar in international trade in recent years is showing that the dollar is gradually losing its position.
Keep in mind that they haven't "eliminated" dollar from their international trades, they have decreased its usage. For example China as the biggest bagholder of US debt has dumped $175 billion of it last year but they are still bagholding more of it.

As you correctly pointed out, this is a gradual move where every country goes through the dedollarisation process.

The 15th BRICS summit is going to be very interesting which will be held on 22 – 24 August (about a month from now) and some are saying the BRICS new currency will be revealed then. This could potentially have a significant effect on the ongoing dedollarisation around the globe.

China USD reserves are around 3 Trillon USD, so China itself will suffer huge blow if dollar collapse unless they get rid of there all USD holdings. Meanwhile there are news that 40 more countries are in line to join BRICS and this is enough to prove that the platform is getting popular globally. The most interesting part is that gulf countries are also taking interest in joining BRICS and if that happens then what will be fate of billion of USD that belongs to gulf countries but residing in US banks?
Yep, to be precise, 22 countries have already submitted official applications for membership in the BRICS and about the same number of informal applications. If all these requests are granted, BRICS will become not only the largest economic alliance in the world, but will also take a dominant position. I have already said earlier that the most interesting moment in the upcoming BRICS summit will not be the creation of a common BRICS currency (this is a very difficult project to implement and a matter for a more distant future), but in what architecture the BRICS will expand, because the issue of expansion itself has actually already been decided. Simply put, will the expansion continue in a peer-to-peer manner, as was already the case with South Africa's entry into the alliance, or will it be a second-level architectural solution. We'll see soon.


About BRICS dominance is a very funny joke.
No, I understand that a lot of people, instead of improving the life and economy of their country, are living the dream of "the collapse of the USA", and constantly consuming their products, goods and technologies, thus supporting the USA Smiley
I don't understand how people try to make wishful thinking so primitively.

Dominance is possible if someone/something is more powerful, stable, and wealthy.

Now just look at this "alliance" - It seems that only India's economic situation is more or less good today. And the rest are either global problems or fakes Smiley
China is a huge internal economic problem. They found a way out, to pull the yuan on all "BRICS test subjects", exporting inflation and problems to them.
Russia is just a fake country and a pariah.
Brazil - wave after wave of economic crises are hitting the economy
If I am wrong - correct me, and provide data on the stability of other potential participants of this "union to save china" Smiley

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February 19, 2024, 04:38:35 PM
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Couple of hours ago there is in news on Twitter saying BRICS countries (Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa) are developing a new currency. It was mentioned by State Duma Deputy Chairmen btw.

As I can see all these things to manipulate BTC right? What are your thoughts about this?

The BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa) have demonstrated their intentions to abandon the USD as a global reserve currency.There's no need for debate because no matter what,people still choose the US dollars to BRICS.
The BRICS is yet to stand on its own and manifest properly.The creation of BRICS cannot decline the work force or influence of the US dollar.

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February 21, 2024, 02:44:17 AM
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Quote from: harapan link=topic=5446977.msg63688627#msg6368862o7 date=1708360715
The BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa) have demonstrated their intentions to abandon the USD as a global reserve currency.There's no need for debate because no matter what,people still choose the US dollars to BRICS.
The BRICS is yet to stand on its own and manifest properly.The creation of BRICS cannot decline the work force or influence of the US dollar.

People will choose the currency that's most convenient for them. The USD is the preferred currency of the public because of its position as the world's reserve currency. But that won't last for long, especially when with the weaponization of the USD. Countries are slowly moving away to other currencies that are more open for global trade.

If BRICS' new currency gathers the attention of countries worldwide, it could easily displace the USD as the world's next reserve currency. Backing its value with Gold is the first step towards achieving said goal. I would be surprised if BRICS goes as far as backing its own currency with Bitcoin. That would be even better for the world economy. We can't predict what will happen in the future, so lets hope for the best. Grin

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