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1661  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: October 24, 2014, 07:50:06 AM
Reports by the administration of the Donetsk Republic say that Kiev used the one-sided "ceasefire" to move large numbers of military equipment into position around the fronts and to pull fresh cannon fodder. The republic expects a large-scale assault from Kiev-forces in the coming days.
1662  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is the West gearing up to invade Russia once again? on: October 23, 2014, 11:07:29 PM
Yes, I watch that program from time to time. Very good to keep an eye on the political pulse and the problems both domestic and in foreign politics.



An interesting read:
http://english.pravda.ru/society/stories/23-10-2014/128877-putin_russia-0/

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In turn, State Duma deputy Vyacheslav Nikonov believes that recent attacks on Russian President Vladimir Putin in Western media have become unprecedented.

"During the recent months, attacks not only on Russia, but also on the president of Russia have taken an unprecedented scale. I read American newspapers every day since 1976 and I can say that never before have they put so much pressure on Russia and its leader. Yet, Russia finds itself under pressure when the country is strong - this is the main reason why it happens," said Nikonov.

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Volodin said that those, who thought that the sanctions would split Russia, were deeply mistaken. According to him, the Russians are well aware of the fact that "attacks on Putin mean attacks on Russia." Volodin referred to recent opinion polls, the results of which showed that 85 percent of Russians approve of Putin's work, whereas 66 percent of Russian citizens do not see any other presidential candidate in 2018 and want to re-elect Putin.
1663  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Child kidnapping by the Norwegian State on: October 23, 2014, 10:15:40 PM
I posted this link in the OP, but this case from 2011 is well worth a separate accentuation:

http://english.pravda.ru/society/stories/11-10-2011/119296-norway_children-0/

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According to Human Rights Alert Norway, a Norwegian human rights organization, child protection services take children from their parents every day, without investigation or court decisions. As many as ten children are forcefully separated from their parents in the country on a daily basis. In 2011, 50 children, who had been separated from their parents against their own will, committed suicide.

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The Russian laws stipulate that any citizen of our country, no matter where he or she may live, stays under Russia's jurisdiction. Here, it goes about the forceful separation of Russian citizens from their legitimate parents. They are also deprived of the opportunity to stay in touch with the Russian language and culture. They are not allowed to speak Russian when they can see their parents. They change their Russian names to Norwegian. Isn't that a gross violation of human rights? If Norwegian authorities claim that Russian parents will not be able to give their children enough love and support, then they can solve the fate of those children in cooperation with the Russian consul. However, this does not seem to be an option for anyone.

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Another case from 2011, when a boy managed to escape from Norway:
http://english.pravda.ru/society/stories/05-10-2011/119234-russian_boy_schengen-0/
A must read in full!

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The Polish court allowed a Russian boy who escaped from Norway to return home, but it is not that easy to do. The Norwegian authorities have placed him on a wanted list and have entered his data into the Schengen passport control area. The Norwegian side has not provided the Polish court with the documents used as a basis for the return of the Russian citizen to Norway.

For several months Pravda.Ru has been following the dramatic story of the Russian citizen Irina Bergseth whose two children were taken away by the Norwegian social services. Twists and turns in this story remind an entangled movie plot: as soon as it seems that the happy ending is near, something unexpected happens. But, unfortunately, it all happens in real life.

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And another case from 2011:

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A Norwegian court has recently ruled that the daughter of Russian national Svetlana Tarannikova must undergo the adaptation process in Norway. Before that, child protection services took Svetlana's two sons away from her. The boys were delivered to the foster family of two women with untraditional sexual orientation.

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And the latest news
http://news.rambler.ru/27516598/
CPS decided to keep the child in the foster family, saying it will be best for the child, and the parents will be "allowed to see him form time to time".  Undecided
The parents will go to court (of course), but as the 2011 case shows, they might get imprisoned for wanting their child back.

The mother did her maternal duty and for that the child is stolen from her. I have no words...

It looks like this boy's fate is sealed too.
1664  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was shot down by an air-to-air missile on: October 23, 2014, 01:22:13 PM
Aussie PM owes Putin an apology over MH17 blame game – senior MP
http://rt.com/politics/197528-russian-duma-mh17-german/

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On Monday, an anonymous member of the Bundestag secret committee for control over the country’s special services confirmed the existence and contents of the report to the BBC.

“The German intelligence report casts doubt on the main theory accepted in the West, the theory that has been voiced by a number of Western politicians and almost all Western mass media. It suggested that it was Russia that allegedly supplied the Donetsk militia with the Buk surface-to-air missile used to down the Malaysian Boeing,” Pushkov told the press.

“The new theory means that Russia has nothing to do with the downed Boeing. And Australian Prime Minister must take back his threats to attack Putin when he arrives in Australia for the G20 summit,” the Russian lawmaker added.

Germany’s intel agency says MH17 downed by Ukraine militia – report
http://rt.com/news/197316-germany-blames-militia-crash/
1665  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Total CEO’s Falcon 50 plane crashes in Vnukovo Airport on: October 23, 2014, 12:56:35 PM
The snow plower is a 10 tonne German truck. The driver was sent to clean snow, when no snow fell that day.
The driver is accused to be drunk, yet family says his heart condition prevents him from drinking, and 2 security checkpoints would not have allowed a worker under influence to come through. I feel he or the flight controller will become a scapegoat to soften the political blow.

Christophe de Margerie was outspokenly against sanctions against Russia, calling them counter-productive and damaging for Europe, and was lobbying for Mistral deliveries to Russia.

Draw your own conclusions.
1666  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Shooting in Ottawa on: October 23, 2014, 12:28:40 PM
Judging by the disproportionate media coverage, it looks like a PsyOp. Lots of policemen running around and posturing before cameras, sighting their guns.
Even on Russian news TV channel it got a better half of the air time with little specific details...
1667  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Child kidnapping by the Norwegian State on: October 23, 2014, 08:28:37 AM
I started this discussion not as a Norway-bashing thread. I like quite a lot of things in Norway, live here for most of my life since mid-teens, went to college (videregående) here. The thread is about criticizing one of the aspects worth criticizing. Our friend, DarkForces The Troll, does not seem to know (or is paid not to know) the difference between criticizing and hating (he also injects his anti-Russian agenda into any thread that has word "Russia" in it, whatever the topic). The only thing that I truly passionately hate is injustice. (A could of other things in Norway worth criticizing are healthcare and educational systems, which have been going downhill for some time now, but that's another topic).

When a child is taken from a family, I equate it to the capital punishment. In case of a mistake, a "judicial murder" with irreversible consequences takes place - a family is sentenced for life without child and the child is sentenced for life without parents.

To address the Indian question: that might by the only case, I don't know, but statistically I doubt it. In a TV interview, the Russian consulate in Norway cited that they know of about 8000 cases of child "extraction" over the last 2.5 years. The majority was said to go against families where one or both parents are foreign nationals. Only 20 case touched Russians. Given that the Indian population in Norway is magnitude large than Russian, I would say that that was not the only case touching an Indian family.

A bit of cultural background on milk teeth removal. Smiley It's largely mother's responsibility in Russian families. The procedure involves a string, tied to a tooth and a sharp pull or a door. The child gets as a prize to carry his own tooth on a string, showing it off and boasting how brave and grown-up he is. I can see if a child told something similar to his teacher, he'd be misunderstood...

Some background on family values. In Norway, after the oil was found in the 70s and the wealth went up, the definition of family went at the same time down. In Russia, a family includes great-grand-parents, grand-parents, parents, children, often living together. In Norway, it's the core family (kjernefamilie) of two parents plus a child of up to 18. It is almost expected of a child in his late teens to move out and find some basement apartment to rent, taking up a loan (the banks love this convention). It's met with scorn if you "live with your parents", as people here stopped realising that at some point you stop living "with your parents" and "parents start living with you", while you take care of them. I tell this because Russian families coming to say, Norway, with their children, do so for their children's sake, to give them better position in life, as it is also an investment into the parent's old age, when it will be the time for the children to care for their parents, they'll be better equipped to do so. The egoistic parents leave their children behind in Russia and come alone.
1668  Other / Politics & Society / Total CEO’s Falcon 50 plane crashes in Vnukovo Airport on: October 21, 2014, 09:23:14 PM
http://rt.com/business/197724-christophe-de-margerie-moscow-crash/
http://rt.com/news/197740-video-plane-total-crash/

Tragic for Christophe de Margerie.
Tragic for Russia as he was one of the few friends of Russia in the West.
Tragic for Total.

I smell foul play.
1669  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Child kidnapping by the Norwegian State on: October 21, 2014, 09:16:04 PM
What irks me is that if the parents are suspected of violence, then they should be arrested and charged, while the child is returned to the family - he has a sister, whom the parents saved from the system, grandfathers and grandmothers. Instead the child is arrested and incarcerated.

News update in Russian:
http://www.rapsinews.ru/international_news/20141021/272418190.html

This is one of the 20 cases against Russian kids over the last 2.5 years.
1670  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: October 21, 2014, 06:42:26 PM
Human Rights Watch:
Kiev govt used cluster munitions in populated zones in E. Ukraine – HRW
http://rt.com/news/197692-ukraine-cluster-munition-watchdog/

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“While it was not possible to conclusively determine responsibility for many of the attacks, the evidence points to Ukrainian government forces’ responsibility for several cluster munition attacks on Donetsk [Donetsk Region, Eastern Ukraine],” says the report.

Well, we knew it for several months already, but only now are the NGOs allowed to talk about it.
1671  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Child kidnapping by the Norwegian State on: October 21, 2014, 06:38:44 PM
And how the hell did they get that information in the first place?

That's quiet easy. Children, especially in lower grades and in kindergarten often tell (exaggerated) tales to their peers and teachers. So teachers are very well informed about the most intimate aspects of a family's life, which may surprise even the parents. My friends with children had some rather amusing stories. The trick is to sift exaggerations from real threat signals.

The problem with the case of this Russian kid is that under the international law, what happened to him can be classified as an abduction of a foreign national. Plus this is an infliction of a gross psychological trauma on the child. In a normal world the child should have been transferred to the Russian child care authorities, which should decide what to do in accordance with the Russian law.

If I were ever separated from my parents in such a manner and learnt about it as an adult, I would have sued the bastards kidnapping me for million amounts for each day lost of my life with my parents. The reverse applies, and a lioness protecting her cubs would have seemed like a tame purring cat compared to my mother should something happen to her children. I remember as a 12-year-old I went for a month to pioneer camp. That was tough, being separated from the family, even though parents visited a couple of times. Here, a 5-year-old is a total isolation in a foreign country.

I can hazard a guess at what this 5-year-old has been through for the last 3 weeks of separation from the parents. He could feel anger and confusion at being, what he'd think, abandoned by his parents, who don't come to rescue him. Coupled with interrogations (sorry, "interviews") and possibly suggestive questions, the child may start wishing for the parents to feel the same hurt he is feeling and tell accusative stories, thus unwittingly sealing his own fate of being forever torn apart from the family. Alternatively the boy might start thinking that there's something wrong with him if his parents abandoned him, which will lead to insecurity, inferiority complex and potential future suicidal thought. In either case, this three-week separation has already done its damage.

The hearing deciding the fate of the abducted kid was today...
1672  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is the West gearing up to invade Russia once again? on: October 21, 2014, 06:20:07 PM
Personal demonisation of and attack on Putin continue. We all remember the Sun's title "Putin's Missile" that appeared hours after Ukraine shot down MH-17. Then there were talks that Putin is personally leading a tank division into Ukraine. Now, with this strange submarine case in the Swedish waters, a Norwegian tabloid comes with a headline "5 leads that point to Putin". Have they found his favourite handkerchief floating in the Swedish fjords? I would have understood a well-argued article with a headline "5 leads pointing to Russian Sub", but this, especially after yesterday's statement by the Swedish defence minister that there are no information that can lead to identification of the sub's country of origin, is ridiculous.

Was there a sub in the first place? The whole business reminds of the Swedish comedies in the series "Selskapsresor", where sightings of Soviet subs featured humorously.

Putin is a busy man, attending many forums and high-ranking meeting both in the East and in the West, lately in Italy and Serbia, mostly working to extinguish the political fires that the Americans started. He also has to attend daily reports on TV about the work being done (think daily scrums). So he definitely has no time to cruise on a sub in Sweden. Smiley

This falls just as another piece of a puzzle that forms a picture framing Russia as an enemy in the minds of the common folk, and making it justifiable to initiate any future aggression against Russia.
1673  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is the West gearing up to invade Russia once again? on: October 20, 2014, 10:26:35 PM
Judging by the American Defence minister's recent speech that Russia has come to the doorstep of NATO (something that, as Russian Defence Minister Shojgu said, completely disregards the fact that NATO was pushing said doorstep right up to the Russian border over the last years and not the other way around) and designating Russia as USA's enemy, the West is taking one more step towards absolving itself for the seemingly scheduled invasion of Russia.



Hope that this is still just empty talk from the USA...
1674  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: October 20, 2014, 08:57:13 PM
Nuland visited "her man in Ukraine", Poroshenko, not long ago, so the escalation of atrocities was to be expected.

Today Kiev-forces participating in ATO (American Terrorist Operation) were bombing the centre of Donetsk. Two ballistic missiles "Tochka U" hit the city, one destroying a factory with large amount of explosives stored on the premises, the other hit a residential area. In addition the city was shelled all day from mortars and artillery.

Shooting from Kiev forces against Donetsk and Lugansk went on all week despite the "ceasefire". People continue to bury their loved ones... Sad

Meanwhile Poroshenko made the day of creation of UPA (Galician military group responsible for mass murders of Ukrainians, Russians, Poles and Jews during WWII) as the national holiday (same as if Germany made the day of creation of SS as a national holiday). And what with the coming Nazi-modelled purges (lustration) that have been scheduled to come in the government, the picture and the circle is now complete.
1675  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Child kidnapping by the Norwegian State on: October 20, 2014, 08:44:57 PM
I concur that calling it a doctrine was an overreaction on my part, however promotion of "gender neutrality" has gone quite far in schools from what I heard from friends who have kids.

The problem I see with the Norwegian child care system is that parents are presumed guilty until proven innocent with immediate removal of the child, which is traumatic for the kid. In most other countries the families are observed/followed up, and the extraction of the child requires a court order.

Here is one of the "Indian" cases:
http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/nightmare-in-norway-indian-couple-fights-to-get-children-back-169287
1676  Other / Politics & Society / Re: When will Russia Attack?? on: October 20, 2014, 08:37:08 PM
Great Britain makes trolling a criminal offence, punishable with up to 2 years of prison. Hopefully these forums will become cleaner Wink
1677  Other / Politics & Society / Child Kidnappings by the Western-European States on: October 19, 2014, 12:20:52 PM
Norway has a peculiar child protection (barnevernet) system. At a most insignificant suspicion that a child has bee mistreated by its parents, the child will be taken by the sate from its parents and relocated to an undisclosed foster family. *The parents will then be presumed guilty until they prove that they are innocent, a process that can take up to several years. It does not matter if both parents and the child are not Norwegian citizens - they can even be tourists visiting the country for a couple of days, the process would still be the same.

http://rt.com/news/196532-norway-remove-child-tooth/

Two weeks ago a Russia family working in the North of Norway experienced just that. Their 5-year old son had a loose milk tooth, which the mother helped to remove. The child mentioned that at school and the teacher took the child home, suspecting abuse. The parents were getting worried when the child did not return from school in the evening, but became even more worried when they got summoned by the police to give statements. They were denied their request to see the child, and they still do not know where the child is. Child protection also expressed interest in the younger sister of the boy, but the parents managed to send he back to Russia to her grand-parents, while they remain in Norway for the legal battle to get their child back. All three are Russian citizens, so this is not just a case of kidnapping, but of an abduction of a foreign citizen.

http://english.pravda.ru/society/stories/11-10-2011/119296-norway_children-0/

Norway had about 8000 such cases, 20 of which against Russian citizens. India made a TV documentary, called "Nightmare in Norway" - an Indian child got confiscated from its Indian parents in the same manner after the authorities learnt that the child crept into his parents bed after having nightmares (a child, according to the rules, must always sleep in its own bed).

The state-kidnapped children are often placed in care of families of "non-traditional orientation", which is in accordance with the Norwegian doctrine of de-genderaisation of children. A child should be an "it", until "it" is old enough to decide if it wants to be a "she" or "he".

In those cases when parents managed to prove their innocence, and children were returned, the families were still forced to leave Norway.

So, when visiting Norway with a child, make sure not to anger it so that it does not start tell tall tails of abuse to its teachers and don't feed it from your hands (falls under the transgression of "forced feeding")
1678  Other / Politics & Society / Re: When will Russia Attack?? on: October 19, 2014, 12:19:44 PM
You should rather ask when will USA attack Russia. The answer is: it already started. Hint: oil prices. Wink
1679  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was shot down by an air-to-air missile on: October 13, 2014, 06:20:44 PM
The now former head of Ukrainian SBU had a slip of the tongue during a press conference the other day. He said that Kiev needs to implement the plan, developed in Holland, to visit the crash site ("experts" still haven't been there) and to find some fragments of Buk-M1 to pin the blame on Russia. The model is significant M1 stands for "modernised". This modernisation was done in Unraine on Buk systems inherited after Soviet Union. All 70 M1s are in service in Ukraine. Russia had some regular Buks, but these are not in active service.
Poroshenko also had a slip when visting anti-air academy. He was shown Buk-M1s and remarked "are these the ones like that which was used to shoot down MH17"? During a speach he then spent 15 minutes thanking the alumni of the academy for their contribution in the conflict, however AA was officially never used as resistance has no planes, so what contribution?
1680  Other / Politics & Society / Re: HONGKONG DEMO on: October 07, 2014, 02:13:38 PM
http://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2014/10/02/ukraine-isil-ebola-hong-kong-the-us-traveing-circus-of-chaos/

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Hong Kong is on fire. Of course, this should have been expected. You thought they would target Russia via Ukraine, while leaving China alone? These past several months I was just wondering where exactly they would strike. Hong Kong is very logical: it is to China a bit like Ukraine (and by extension, Crimea) to Russia.

The reason this is happening right now is clear: both China and Russia are building anti-dollar coalition and are preparing to dump the Western banking system. Notice that ‘pro-democracy protests’ didn’t happen in Hong Kong at any other time before. They are happening specifically now, although the same exact problems were always there.

Interesting ‘coincidence': as tensions ease up somewhat in Ukraine, they increase at the same time elsewhere! I said that US will slowly disengage from Ukraine, now that they were unable to get what they wanted there, namely Crimea for their bases and in order to squeeze Russia out of the Black Sea + all of Ukraine for fracking and for bases targeting Russia. They already know they won’t be able to hold on to Ukraine (as I predicted from the very beginning!). (...)  The resistance of the population in Ukraine turned out too strong and growing, despite all the intimidation. Therefore, they are moving on to new targets. ISIL, Ebola, and the fresh one – Hong Kong.

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Of course, in order for any riots to take place, there has to be a predisposition, a pre-condition, for such events to take place. There are real problems in Hong Kong, and that’s what they capitalize on. But these problems existed all these years. They have been brought out and exaggerated ten-fold to make this work. The evidence of the outside intervention is very easy to spot. Look how many problems the US has, look how many people are unhappy and talk about it – but very little happens as far as protests. Protests, in order to turn into a bloody coup like in Ukraine, need interference and hefty financing from abroad. And US/UK are so terrific at both!
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