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16841  Economy / Speculation / Re: China banned bitcoin: 2013 VS 2017. market maturity? on: September 12, 2017, 04:21:07 AM
2013 was in the middle of Gox thing. Different circumstances

it was not exactly in the middle of it. the Gox thing you have in mind came a bit after that. but irregardless of that, what i posted here is just an example of many other similar circumstances. this is not the only 2 but the 2013 thing with China ban was the easiest one i could find off the top of my mind which was also very similar to this day.
16842  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: is it true that most of the new real money into crypto is coming from korea? on: September 12, 2017, 04:10:32 AM
ON coinmarketcap, it shows that most of the new money into crypt is coming from the korean currency KRW. So it looks like their involvement is currently fueling the crypto pricing but is this sustainable?

what websites such as coinmarketcap.com report is what they get directly from the exchanges. and these exchange can report anything they like. nobody is stopping them and nobody is watching them, so they report higher volumes. by doing that they simply stay on top of the tables that lists exchanges. => free advertisement.

it is also the fact that those Korean exchanges have 0 fees and that always increases the volume a lot.

here is a fun website to watch things live: http://fiatleak.com/
16843  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: where are most of the early bitcoin adopters? Are most of them millionaires? on: September 12, 2017, 03:52:21 AM
nobody is going to tell you they are millionaires because of bitcoin, why should they? who have you seen to be willingly and stupidly reveal their finances online for the whole world and certain 3 letter agencies to see?! nobody that's who!
16844  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: *** BITCOIN FEES - Stop paying overpriced STUPID fees to greedy miners!! *** on: September 11, 2017, 06:37:45 AM
~ I got 4 confirmations in 5 minutes! ~
LOL, 4 blocks in 5 min or nearly 1 block every 1 minute. you got ultra lucky.

Confirmations don't equal blocks. Correct me if I'm wrong, but for the number of confirmations that are used to verify one transaction multiplied by the number of transactions we'd need far more than 21m bitcoin if each confirmation awarded the miner with a block.

Can you clarify what you mean here? Thanks.

confirmation shows the "depth" of your transaction.
when you have 1 confirmation it means your transaction is inside the last block.
when you have 3 confirmation it means your transaction was included in 3 blocks ago or 3 blocks deep.

this "depth" also shows how likely double spending is.

for example this is the first bitcoin transaction ever:
https://blockchain.info/tx/f4184fc596403b9d638783cf57adfe4c75c605f6356fbc91338530e9831e9e16
it was included in block 170 and it has 484450 confirmation by the time i am typing this and the last block found was 484619 which means that tx is 484450 blocks deep. (there are 484450 between block 170 and block 484619 including block 170) mathematically: 484619 -170 + 1 = 484450

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Confirmation
16845  Economy / Speculation / China banned bitcoin: 2013 VS 2017. market maturity? on: September 11, 2017, 04:31:48 AM
this is not the first time that the news, um i mean the lie about China banning bitcoin comes out. because in fact China has never banned bitcoin!

on 5 December 2013 China prohibited their banks from investing in bitcoin, the FUD said China banned bitcoin and all the things you are seeing today.

the price took a dive about 33% in the first hour and in about 4 days bitcoin lost half its value (-50% drop) before it started recovering as the FUD cleared up.



in case above pic didn't show up: https://bitcoincharts.com/charts/bitstampUSD#rg60zig2-hourzczsg2013-12-04zeg2013-12-09ztgSzm1g10zm2g25zp

now in 2017 we have had the same thing. first the ICO thing which didn't even have anything to do with bitcoin, and then this new FUD about China banning bitcoin again!

this time however, bitcoin barely dropped 5% in the initial hours and the total drop was about 10%



in case above pic didn't show up: https://bitcoincharts.com/charts/bitstampUSD#rg5zig2-hourzczsg2017-09-07zeg2017-09-11ztgSzm1g10zm2g25zp

is the market getting more mature that the FUD is less effective now?
16846  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: How do I verify downloaded electrum using signature files? on: September 11, 2017, 04:00:50 AM
let me translate:
Code:
gpg: Good signature from "Thomas Voegtlin (https://electrum.org) <thomasv@electrum.org>" [unknown]
gpg:                 aka "ThomasV <thomasv1@gmx.de>" [unknown]
gpg:                 aka "Thomas Voegtlin <thomasv1@gmx.de>" [unknown]
gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature!
gpg:          There is no indication that the signature belongs to the owner.
Primary key fingerprint: 6694 D8DE 7BE8 EE56 31BE  D950 2BD5 824B 7F94 70E6

gpg: i checked the signature versus the public key that you gave me which belonged to "Thomas...." and the signature checks out
gpg: but this public key (6694 D8D....) is what you gave me right now, i didn't have it in my database before. and it is not in the list of "your" trusted public keys.

Wink

if you want to get rid of that "warning" you just have to add it to your list. not sure the details of it but you basically create your own key and sign everything that you add and tell "GnuPG" that you trust these keys so that warning never shows up for those keys.
https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/147447/gpg-why-is-my-trusted-key-not-certified-with-a-trusted-signature
https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/6841/ways-to-sign-gpg-public-key-so-it-is-trusted
16847  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Chiasso, Switzerland Municipality to Allow Citizens to Pay Taxes in Bitcoin on: September 11, 2017, 03:52:14 AM
A good news after the shitty Chinese news I have heard. ~

actually there have been a lot of good news lately but it seems like the bitcoin community likes listening to Chinese news FUD more than anything else.
The Switzerland has always been bitcoin friendly so it is not a surprise to me what they did. the other good news of this week was the Russians talking about bitcoin and how they are working on legalizing it.
16848  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: *** BITCOIN FEES - Stop paying overpriced STUPID fees to greedy miners!! *** on: September 11, 2017, 03:42:31 AM
it is not people, it is the wallet clients and their broken fee estimations most of the time.
right now that the memory pool is empty (<3000 tx) you can pay small fees and if the mining pools don't reject your transaction it will be mined. (some mining pools like F2Pool for example have set a minimum fee/B that they will reject lower than that).

checking the latest block it is filled with 1 satoshi/byte transactions:
https://blockchain.info/block/000000000000000000513221a373529b99c1982999abcfc189f446e0a8896e03?show_adv=true

~ I got 4 confirmations in 5 minutes! ~
LOL, 4 blocks in 5 min or nearly 1 block every 1 minute. you got ultra lucky.
16849  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Smart Contract possible on Bitcoin? on: September 11, 2017, 03:35:04 AM
Wondering if Smart Contract (& possibly DApp thing? ) can be implemented on Bitcoin..
it is actually coming to bitcoin. there is this project called RootStock that has started a while ago and it is supposed to bring smart contracts to bitcoin as a sidechain.
read more here: www.rsk.co

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An Altcoin seems to be taking lots of market share probably due to smart contract...
not really. it is just a hype of this year. like something else was last year and last year. it will fade away.
and so far "smart contracts platforms" are just being used for lots of ICOs each day and all of them that i have seen are completely useless!
16850  Economy / Speculation / Re: Is this the top? on: September 11, 2017, 03:24:01 AM
one thing you need to know is that news sites are exaggerating a lot and they are mostly click-baits instead of legit journalism. in other words saying "bitcoin will soon be $1,000,....,000" is as dumb as saying "bitcoin will die soon".
the thing is, when bitcoin is on the rise, everyone looks for articles calling the top and everyone becomes experts and calls a different top of huge numbers.
the next week when the correction starts, everyone looks for articles calling the bottom and again everyone becomes experts and calls idiotically small numbers.

the fact that i see is that during all this time bitcoin supply is still the same limited amount while its demand is constantly rising. as the media coverage increases the demand also goes up. and that leads to higher and higher prices.
with advances that bitcoin makes, such as its scaling (that happened last month) or Lightning Network,... the adoption will grow even more and with it the price rise.
16851  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BitcoinCrack.org - All Bitcoin Private Keys Cracker (review) on: September 11, 2017, 03:12:40 AM
here are the things that will happen when you click the link:
1. OP gets paid a couple of satoshi because you clicked his shortened link Wink
2. you get a binary file to download
3. the creator of that binary will get rich as soon as you install his malware and it steals "your" bitcoins

the question is, is a couple of satoshis for OP worth spreading malware and ruining your reputation?
16852  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why The Cryptocurrency Market Has Reached A New Record High on: September 11, 2017, 03:09:03 AM
for the millionth time it is because altcoins are being created as fast as you blink and market cap for cryptocurrency market is equal to number of coins multiplied by their price and these altcoins create an alarming rate of coins! there are even some with hundreds of billion coins!
you just upload your coin and market cap increases by millions of dollars easily! and that is why this "record" of yours is completely meaningless.
16853  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: How does Trading works? on: September 10, 2017, 04:34:34 AM
Can someone please elaborate to me how trading works? I'm a newbie here so I guess I still need a little headstart. Thank you for answering.

it is such a broad question! which part of trading don't you understand?

trading is when you buy something at some price then you sell it to someone else at a higher price. then from the difference you make profit.
it can be buying winter cloths now and selling them in 4 months when winter is here at higher price and make profit.
it can be buying stocks on the market and when the company grew bigger, sell your stocks for higher price
or it can be buying currencies against each other (bitcoin versus USD) and when they go up in price sell for profit.

for the last 2 you sign up on an exchange or use a broker. in bitcoin people always use an exchange.
16854  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Another ransom attack. How to solve these? on: September 10, 2017, 04:22:53 AM
How will this kind of ransom attacks be solved? Is it possible to track somehow, or atleast start thinking about a tracker for these kind of ransom attacks?
these are the questions that have been asked ever since 1989[1] when the first ransomware attack took place (hint: bitcoin was created in 2008). there are a lot of different ways of securing yourself against these types of attacks. as in prevention. you can do a google search and find many good articles about it.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ransomware#History

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This is bad publicity for cryptoworld, especially for bitcoin, and this kind of illegalities should be thinked before corporates start banning bitcoin, or it gets to deep in the dark web.
well, bitcoin is money and like any other form of currency it will inevitably be used for many different things some of which are illegal.
the media loves these types of things so they put them under magnifying glass but in the end since it is a small part of bitcoin's usage, it won't matter.
16855  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin future after China bans ICO and bitcoin to currency exchange, vice versa on: September 10, 2017, 04:08:38 AM
here is my understanding of the situation:
Chinese government has never planned on banning bitcoin. specially not now that bitcoin is adopted worldwide. what they have always worried about like any other government in the world are the illegal activities that are being performed in disguise of bitcoin (and other cryptocurrency) related services.
things such as money laundering using bitcoin exchanges or ICOs. scamming people using ICOs. and when these things become bigger and take more victims, the government has to do something. so they banned ICOs for now. and as for bitcoin they have always worked with exchanges to regulate them to prevent all the illegal activities and this has nothing to do with "ban".
16856  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: How do I verify downloaded electrum using signature files? on: September 10, 2017, 03:55:39 AM
Code:
gpg --verify electrum-2.9.2.dmg.asc.txt electrum-2.9.2.dmg

Code:
Please remember that the signature file (.sig or .asc)
should be the first file given on the command line.

i believe the gpg is looking for a file with a .sig or .asc type for the signature and you are giving it a .txt file containing the same thing.
try renaming the file and remove the .txt from the end:
Code:
mv electrum-2.9.2.dmg.asc.txt electrum-2.9.2.dmg.asc

then check with gpg


p.s. with a closer look your .asc file content does not look correct either.
https://download.electrum.org/2.9.2/electrum-2.9.2.dmg.asc
Code:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1
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=TCRU
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
16857  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: careful with electrium wallets ( my one got hacked bitcoin stolen) on: September 10, 2017, 03:48:36 AM
maybe it is because you are using a false wallet electrium!
the real wallet that everyone else is using and is trusted is called electrum!

and if you want to be safe, then look into what "Cold Storage" means. anything that is online (connected to internet) is not safe at all.
16858  Economy / Speculation / Re: maybe a big crash in next week on: September 10, 2017, 03:36:34 AM
What Chinese government did just show how weak our crytocurrency system is.

yes, our cryptocurrency system is very very weak. last month this day bitcoin price was $3400 and today it is $4200. yes very weak this is. and the month before it price was $2200 and now $4200. yes very ultra weak.
it is not as if the recent dip was ~8%. no it was weak.
16859  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Advantages of paying with Bitcoin on: September 10, 2017, 03:01:10 AM
One of the reasons why Bitcoin took off initially was because of its privacy and anonymity benefits. Back then there were so few places where you could actually spend Bitcoin, so people ended up purchasing illegal things to test out the platform.

exactly. people always are confused about this "anonymity" but it is there. bitcoin is not anonymous but it can be and the privacy that comes with it is very useful. you don't need to sign up, verify, give your identifications, ... you just make the payment.
and it is global. you no longer have the issue of wondering if you can use your credit card in some place or the other and you will never have the security issues coming with usage of a credit card.
16860  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: China thoughts and data. Much more impact than we think?! on: September 10, 2017, 02:47:49 AM
~
Firstly, over the past two years from the data I've found China appear to have been BY FAR the largest traders. 
~

it is true only because you forgot about the history.

in about 95% of this past 2 years period that you checked, the Chinese exchanges had 0 fees (hence huge volume), were unregulated (hence reporting fake volume and also did a lot of shady things). these simply means the numbers you see are not 100% valid and also even if they are, they should not be compared with others.

an exchange with 0.2% fee can never have the same volume as an exchange with 0% fee.
reason is simple. with 0 fees you buy at 20300CNY and sell at 20301 CNY and still make profit
with 0.2% fee if you buy at 20300 CNY you need to sell at least at 20361 CNY to make any profit

if you compare the data from these past months belonging to Chinese exchanges with their last year volume you can see what i mean. you see the drastic drop in the volume.
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