Ask and you shall receive my friend. 

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My apologies if I misread the situation.  The subject line confused me.  I think TheBitcoinMuseum is a great idea and you're one of the nicest folks I've had the pleasure of working with Dob.  I hope you're both happy and healthy for a long time.

A museum that sells donated items to pay for it's curator's losses might have issues getting donations in the future.   

The below PM chain was just forwarded to me by a user that wanted to confirm the information.  I have never had any contact with Novelty ~ and if the below quoted PM is accurate (mods could confirm maybe?), it represents a scam attempt that users of my escrow service should be aware of.

DO NOT BELIEVE ANY MESSAGE YOU RECEIVE WITH A QUOTE FROM ME IN IT.  I am not shy and if we are involved in an escrow arrangement, I will contact you directly if you haven't made contact with me already.  I don't arrange escrows with only one party's involvement.

I ONLY USE THE ADDRESS IN MY SIGNATURE FOR ESCROW ARRANGEMENTS.  If someone asks you to send BTC to somewhere other than 168WXhArv7Fasqvi2xm5MQMfLhG18jifMe it isn't going to me.

Very sad to see the Bitcoin Museum come to an end.

Can't and won't aren't the same thing.  You're welcome and goodnight.

I'm not unable.  I'm unwilling.  There is a difference.  I won't bother you with details of licenses and fiduciary duties, blah, blah, blah...  Instead I will just say that any recommendation I gave could be viewed as a conflict of interest due to my affiliation with something that could be irrationally misconstrued as a security.  Therefore, I am not willing to give you a recommendation on a specific investment, only to educate you so that you may be better prepared to choose one for yourself.

I'm not an oracle.  However, if I were to make a personal investment in a Bitcoin related security at current prices, I would look for an investment in a mining pool or perhaps an organization that has a structure designed to shield it from rising costs.

I would also make sure to only invest in an entity run by someone active with a long history that I trusted.

This statement is wrong.  It's actually the opposite of the truth.

Cost is a result of perceived value at the time.  Therefore the cost of something will change in time along with it's perceived value.  This is accentuated by inflation over time, which is similar to a moving BTC rate.  So I guess you probably think anything purchased 300 years ago is an amazing investment because you got back so much more USD than was invested.  You can turn a blind eye to the fact that it's possible your purchasing power didn't change at all so in fact you gained nothing.

I see your issue though.  You are trying to evaluate something incorrectly based on your personal experience.  You say, I paid this amount, so that is my investment cost.  The problem you are having is that you are paying an investment cost determined by the USD/BTC exchange rate in USD and trying to pretend your investment cost is solely in BTC (so while you argue that your investment cost cannot change, you are in fact going back in time and changing your investment cost with each tick of the USD/BTC exchange rate).  For people used to staring at their brokerage account in only 1 currency and seeing the cost/return, this might make sense.  For someone with experience dealing in multiple currencies, it appears that you obviously don't understand what you're doing.

I hope that makes sense, I admittedly didn't explain it well but tried my best to do so in a way that might finally click for you.  If not, I'm sorry for your future investment losses.

EDIT:  Why not list these securities in a 3rd party value that is neither BTC or USD to give another non-bias opinion?  It seems that might be a better way to do it since people don't seem to grasp this whole multiple currencies evaluation thing.  I know why of course, it wouldn't be a good troll and the OP's intent was not to provide any useful data, but to simply bash the market he failed miserably trying to control and will ultimately imprison him.

I appreciate your suspicion.  I was also suspicious as well before doing my DD when he asked me to escrow this deal between him and longterm member and seller tymm0.  I was even more suspicious because they were sold to elianite with original Casascius private keys and I suspected that one of them may be tempted to pull a scam.  Before agreeing to escrow the deal, I let my concerns be known and tried to talk elianite out of offering them with the compromised private keys.  I assume if he was attempting to be dishonest, he would have put the coins together and put the generic holograms on himself while keeping the information relating to the private keys to himself.

I remember people accusing me of being a scammer back when I joined in the summer of 2011 because, "That's when BTC exploded, and that's when more scammers entered the arena to capitalize on the hype and higher value."

I have no dog in this fight.  If anything, I'm actually a competitor to elianite with this product.  It would be very easy and self serving for me to also pile on with the scam accusations, but it would be unwarranted here.  I genuinely think elianite is just trying to participate in the Bitcoin economy.

This statement shows that you do not work in the finance industry, and do not have any formal education on the subject.

Your dog comment is actually in contrast to the rest of your statements and shows that maybe you do understand the difference between cost and value.  For example, the cost of your dog may be $500.  You may value the dog significantly higher than that, so buying that same dog would be considered the best investment of your life, even though when you sell that dog, all you're seeing is losses from expenses and you did not see any return on your investment.  While this isn't a perfect example due to your assigning value on the dog, using some imagination and swapping the dog value with USD value, and the cost with the BTC cost of investment, you prove my argument quite well.



That diversification thing you don't seem to comprehend.  

No, that is called the cost.  Value is something different.  I'd suggest you read some of Warren Buffet's writings to help you understand the difference.



Gold and silver have proven to be a pretty terrible hedge between USD & BTC historically.  On a line chart of the 4 over enough time you cannot even distinguish the difference between metals/USD due to the massive increase in BTC.  

If you cannot identify how a BTC-denominated security can hedge against BTC, I cannot help you or argue with you.



That isn't a true statement.  You need to measure losses and gains in purchasing power when dealing in multiple currencies over time.  Any other way is wrong.  Looking at the IPO price in BTC and the last price in BTC is either trolling, or shows a blatant misunderstanding of how assets are valued.

Given this logic, you also have 2 ways to gain.  You cannot say you have two ways to lose, and then ignore that you have 2 ways to gain.  I'm OK with using whatever logic you want, but the end result is the same.  Purchasing power is what matters when dealing with multiple currencies.  I'm simply stating that you cannot currently measure purchasing power over time in BTC.  Can we agree on that, or are you aware of some website that prices goods competitively only in BTC and does not adjust them per the exchange rate?  Spoiler alert, one doesn't exist.

It is not me who doesn't understand.  I have decades of trading experience with multiple currencies.  I would have been fired had I made an investment in Zimbabwe and then tried to justify it by saying that I was seeing huge annual gains in Zimbabwe dollars.  That is in essence what you are all doing with the line of thinking in this thread.  I really hope you understand now. 

There is a reason why all major companies that you all get excited about when they start accepting Bitcoin use USD to establish their pricing and not BTC.  The securities (I use this term very loosely) exchanges don't price in USD for legal reasons, and that tricks the weak minded into not seeing what is going on.  Hence how so many people without global trading experience come here and complain about all BTC securities.  They simply don't understand what they're doing and try to blame the market instead of themselves.

OK, so you aren't happy regardless of what happens unless you see gains in both USD and BTC.  OK, I got it now. 



You are giving me the chart of the market's trades, not the asset's value.  Some people are stupid enough to trade without understanding what they are doing with regard to the exchange rate (see this thread), so try looking at the end result instead of the market perception and maybe you'll grasp the concept?  When you break everything down per trade in USD value, you can actually see the real performance of these assets, most of which are still horrible.

What if you want to hedge against dollars and Bitcoin?

I'm not just suggesting it.  I'm stating that if the security you are investing in is run properly, it will most certainly provide a hedge as opposed to 100% exposure to one currency or another.



You're kidding right?  Try taking a longer view of the market instead of looking day to day...  BTC is up thousands of % and BTC denominated securities have seen their prices lowered as a result.  It isn't rocket science...  That is why I say valuing them in a different way then say Amagi Metals values their gold/silver or Overstock.com values their products in BTC is simply investors not understanding what it is they're doing.


EDIT: Just to further prove my point... If you purchased 100 BTC at $2 and now go and sell them all for $55,000, go ahead and tell the IRS you saw no gain because you bought 100 BTC and sold 100 BTC.  Then you can join mpoe in prison while continuing to believe you are right and everyone else is wrong.

Let me easily tell you why you are all wrong.

You all say your goal is to increase BTC.  That is easy to say while BTC is rising in value.  What if BTC drops from $560 down to $0.01 while your BTC investment doubles?  Would you be happy your $560 investment is now worth $0.02, or would you be angry that you lost all the real value of your investment?

Also, if you think that a mining investment is only in BTC you don't clearly understand what the costs of running a business are priced in.

Please people, use common sense.  You aren't investing USD, you are investing BTC.  However, claiming you're investing to get more BTC is simply you being dishonest with yourselves.  You are all investing to acquire more wealth, not BTC.  Becoming infatuated with the BTC price increase to tear down every other asset in existence displays a disconnection from reality that is most certainly a warning to others of mental instability.



There would be no real profits at all in the example I gave of a company cashing out BTC raised from an IPO and then gaining BTC value as the exchange rate dropped.  The USD invested would be identical to the USD investment in the company regardless of the last exchange rate.  You would have no added purchasing power whatsoever and thus, have not gained anything.  However, the thread starter would congratulate you on such amazing performance, even though you could have found millions of better performing assets to invest in.  While I do agree that most BTC securities are garbage (see mpex's current offerings), at least show the value that they've lost in purchasing power and not just the result of the BTC rate performance from the time they IPO'd til now.  That is foolish and not beneficial to any intelligent investor.



There's this thing in investing called diversification.  It's sort of important to know if you're going to pretend to be an investment guru.  You might want to look it up.  Also, I never claimed that keeping coins will make you more dollars.  Ask someone who bought in at $1,000...  You're using your own personal experience of losing BTC hand over fist and trying to blame a market you don't grasp.  Sad, because I used to think you had some intelligence, but now I can see that your current legal dilemma has brought more trolling out of you, while at the same time removing any coherent thought.

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Valuing these offerings over time in BTC is idiotic...  Valuing 99.9% of the things on this planet in BTC over time will result in them looking like they have lost a ton of value when in fact they have not...  There is a reason that while Bitcoin is accepted as a means of exchange, things are still priced in USD.  By your account, buying a home, stocks, gold, dollars, etc, would have all been horrible "investments" due to their lack of performance against Bitcoin.  I really wish idiots that didn't understand simple accounting would stop pretending to be intelligent investors and accept that they are shills hiding behind a veil of idiocy to further an agenda.  

Using your line of thinking, any IPO that happened around the $1,000/BTC mark should look like an amazing investment now, even if all they did was take your BTC and hold it in USD.  Obviously only an idiot would think that an entity actually gained value with that course of action.

You ask why people invest...  Let me answer that for you as I have decades of experience providing analysis to investors...  Every investor I have met up until this point in my life would answer that question the same.  People invest to make dollars.  Now, stop pretending to be an idiot and go take the time to do the actual numbers including the average prices paid at the exchange rates during the time if you want to provide numbers with any kind of meaning behind them.  Otherwise, congratulations on a good troll.  It seems with your centralized exchange dying a slow painful manipulated death, you are upset to the point where you are just lashing out.  Given your legal circumstances and lack of maturity, I can understand your position and look forward to watching the continued deterioration of your mental state.

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