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16921  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: and bitcoin brakes $6000 now on: October 21, 2017, 07:24:37 AM
at 9:14pm eastern time at coindesk btc drill $6000.00 ceiling to.
https://imgur.com/a/gwg1e

And it is still going up. I think by the end of the day, it will peak at $6100-$6200 until the implementation of fork which will put the price around $6500. Really happy to see the prices rally this far today. Although much speculation really points to bitcoin going around $6000-$6500 before the fork. But its good to see that it was now reliance and I'm sure that a lot of investors who didn't dump their during the crash like 3-4 days ago. I think the price could be sustained short term leading to the fork, but after it, its a different story. I guess we need to observed how the market will move. But for sure once the free money is received or claimed, it will be dump so hard. But the questions is, are they going to buy more bitcoins or go back and shift to altcoin to do short, day trading? Remains to be seen.

Yet again, weekend trading brings a lot of joy to Bitcoin, I honestly can't think of any other market which moves so wildly on Saturday and Sunday. Just over-exuberance from drunk traders? Amateurs who take the weekend off from work to buy and sell Bitcoin? Wages get paid on Friday?

Joking aside, I would say even a $6500 peak today or tomorrow is not unlikely. Bitcoin this year has not broke past ATHs without setting new grounds higher than previous. I'd say at 10% above old ATH where it'll hover for a bit before correcting. Old support still remains at $4800 until 25th fork.
16922  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Little panics like this are good on: October 21, 2017, 07:13:11 AM
Swing trading might be for the people who understand how the market works most of them are just waiting for the whale movement and grab that opportunity to ride with it, there's still a lots of newbie who doesn't understand the hyped and corrections they needed keep studying the flow so they won't hurt their pockets.
Swing trading or Hedging would really be complicated specially on newbies since they dont even know on what are these kind of trading styles which are really complicated but later on they would eventually know those styles which is really hard and risky but really a profiting kind of way if you do it correctly then expect you can make good money on it.

I'd be very careful about looking at "little panics" like these as swing indicators. Swing traders already find it incredibly difficult to identify movements in traditional markets, never mind the Bitcoin market that seems to defy every known and accepted trading convention. The market simply hasn't matured enough to be able to "work" on its own.

I've probably been right about half of the time when predicting corrections on Bitcoin. And since touching $5,900, the correction hasn't been as massive as I'd expect, given the ones of the previous.
16923  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2017-10-20] Cyber Crimes Unit to Catch Sexual Predators By Mining Bitcoin on: October 20, 2017, 09:27:26 PM
Actually, I think it's just a simple misunderstanding. Seems to be that the police chief or boss there has an idea to just try using Bitcoin to set up honeypots. This is precisely how law enforcement found great success with taking down dark markets, and is the chief modus operandi for Interpol in capturing/shutting down child pornography rings. Honeypots are an old strategy but it still works. He just means to buy/obtain Bitcoin, not mine it.

Just a cop trying to keep up with the times. P.S. Of course the FBI have thought about it. They wouldn't have used Bitcoin seized without mixing it first though.
16924  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2017-10-19] Calvin Ayre Declares Bitcoin Cash “The Only Bitcoin” on: October 19, 2017, 07:22:25 PM
I've missed Mr Bodog! Shame that only Bitcoin.com would find the time to give to this guy. He can anything he wants as the only Bitcoin, Trump, the UN, anyone can call anything anything they want. But if you're going to have to issue statements to say that your "bitcoin" is "bitcoin cash", then you've got to realise the folly of your logic... he should go ahead and advertise his business as accepting Bitcoin. He'll soon see that no one else sees BCC as Bitcoin.

Enjoy the freedoms of decentralisation, Mr Ayre!
16925  Economy / Speculation / Re: Drug Money and the Rise and Rise of Bitcoin on: October 19, 2017, 12:27:32 PM
Hey tokeweed, I'm hearing you out! Here's my take on it, after seeing several discussions and thinking about it myself.

1. To launder that much money, you'd have to be moving a LOT of bitcoins. Regularly. If the total market cap of crypto is only 165 billion, and of that only 94 billion, we're talking about very noticeable amounts being laundered. Even taking into account a $5000 Bitcoin value, to move 1 million dollars requires 200 Bitcoins. And we know the industry is moving hundreds of millions a month. Those Bitcoin volumes moving into USB wallets are going to be very easy to detect. Getting someone to SELL you those Bitcoins is going to be hard to find. Exchanges as we know them are going to be very difficult as well.

See, if you're moving millions of fiat in a global market of 100s of trillions, it's a speck. Perhaps when Bitcoin is valued at 100,000, it may become more viable.

2. It didn't take long for the FBI to track down dark markets who went through the trouble of mixing, remixing and anonymising their transactions... on a volume far smaller than drug cartels. What this tells us is that the tracking software has become very sophisticated.

I believe the technical knowledge required to hide and launder Bitcoin, being a non-anonymous public ledger and all that, is a deterrent to major organised crime to using crypto. They've got great accountants schooled in conventional finance, but not yet the skilled programmers who would help them use crypto to their needs.

However, due to ETH's architectural difference (and Monero's), illegal activities are moving towards them and it may well be that they could be used chiefly for these. Research already shows Bitcoin illegal use dropping sharply, and is predicted to be less than 5% of volume end of this year.

3. Most likely, they haven't heard about Bitcoin yet or don't know yet how to use it. Somewhat related to (2)... but you know, these guys are probably unimaginably removed from our world of computers and digital tech. Call it a deeply-ingrained culture of paranoia!
16926  Economy / Economics / Re: How bitcoin can help for working abroad specially OFW on: October 19, 2017, 12:04:46 PM
Bitcoin will naturally appeal to the Phiippines, where overseas remittance from their workers abroad has for a long time been its greatest contributor to national GDP. This has been further boosted by Bitcoin's incredible ascent in price. Every dollar, euro, pound sterling, ringgit, riyal that they previously sent home is worth far less than every Bitcoin ever converted from wages.

People have been complaining about the cost of Bitcoin transactions too, but even at the most expensive I've paid, it's still a huge savings on the fees from competing remittance services.

When South Asia's own overseas workers, who also send back a lot of wages, discover Bitcoin and use it, well. That will be the next wave of adoption.
16927  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Instant Deposit Casinos on: October 19, 2017, 10:58:16 AM
Anyone else know of any truly instant deposit sites?

Thanks

Actually, most of the sites suggested above are "truly instant" in the sense that as soon as your Bitcoin transaction is broadcasted to the network, the deposit is reflected in your casino balance without waiting for confirmations.

In essence, these are called "0 confirmation deposits" and generally, these are safe to do for most casinos since their protection lies in withdrawal conditions, requiring all deposits to confirm a certain number of times before processing withdrawals. This is just to prevent double spend abuse.

In fact, that's the first thing you should look out for before even making your deposit. A lot of these instant deposit casinos require you to wager your deposit a certain number of times before withdrawal, while others even have withdrawal minimums larger than deposit minimums.

Play smart!
16928  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: I was super cheap, think this transaction will ever confirm? on: October 19, 2017, 08:06:36 AM
How do you accelerate transactions? What doesn't that mean? Adding additional miner fee after it's  been sent?

It's a fancy name that implies that your transaction be confirmed quicker. It doesn't actually do anything to the transaction itself or the network itself.

These acceleration service providers, such as the one cissrawk used to submit your tx are actual miners. When they accept your tx, they just promise to include it into the next block they find. If they find a block and the network accepts it, it's added to the blockchain and your tx, which was included, is confirmed.

So, your tx confirmation has an improved chance of getting confirmed: either still being picked up by other miners or when the accelerating miner finds a block.

The other individuals in this forum also providing the service either are miners themselves or are able to ask miners to include txs.
16929  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Europa League/Champions League Lounge on: October 19, 2017, 07:44:49 AM
benfica vs Manchester united

Anderlecht vs Paris SG

Bayern munich vs Celtic

Qarabag FK vs Atletico Madrid

Barcelona vs olympiacos

Juventus vs sporting CP

I will try to take the team that I mark bold, I think it should all be able to win the game easily.
 

When I waking up and I saw my parlay only lost 1 team. really disappointed with atletico madrid I saw on a 75 minute Qarabag only playing with 10 players. It's really embarrassing as a team that has a lot more experience in Champions League. even atletico has only two points from three matches, this is very bad!!!
 

What was the odds for above parlay bet? Indeed its frustating if you make a parlay but lose it just by one "sure win" match. I can say Atletico should be a sure win bet as they are bigger team than Qarabag even though they play as away team. Really unlucky Atletico, seems that they have a serious problem on Champions League this year. 2 points from 3 matches while they needs to compete with Chelsea and Roma will be a really hard work for Diego Simeone. They should win all the remaining matches if they want to go further.

Tough luck, Cryptoknight! And this was precisely what we were saying in posts above, games like Qarabaq are just so poor value on Money Line because even a sure win is not guaranteed, as last night proved. That was a wonderful parlay otherwise. The ten men probably compounded the problem because an underdog that has lost one player will just defend like a pack of hyenas... which is what happened for the remainder of the match after the sending off. I feel terrible for Fernando Torres' team (sentimental Liverpool fan here).
16930  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin has Arrived in Thailand..... on: October 18, 2017, 08:52:10 PM
Thailand, along with Malaysia, Ohilippines, Singapore and Indonesia, (Vietnam coming close behind) have actually been pretty adaptable with digital currencies, and Bitcoin is no different. Thailand still has a very small share of the trading volume on Localbitcoins, but they and their neighbours have been seeing incredible growth in volume since the end of 2016.

Infrastructure-wise, there's quite a lot to support the growth in urban cities, the only downside is that a lot of Bitcoin use is perceived by local forum users to be related HYIP and other less-than-acceptable activities - though I say this from a Malaysian, rather than Thai perspective (can't read Thai!). Southeast Asia is coming up, though, that's for sure.
16931  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: BEST FREE SPORTS BETS #1 TIPSTER✔(W3850/L750) 400K VIEWS REACHED!!! on: October 18, 2017, 05:16:08 PM
Daring picks for tonight, Joca! I know the Russians smacked the hides out of Sevilla last night but I'm not sure CSKA can replicate that performance tonight, especially if they can't shake off their last outing when they were completely overpowered by Man Utd. Basel on the other hand suffered just as humiliating a loss, so I would have gone for a both teams to score bet... yes I know Benfica defended horribly but it takes a good strike force to take advantage.

Still, it's a very good Parlay if you pick both them and Juventus. Good luck!
16932  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Europa League/Champions League Lounge on: October 18, 2017, 03:59:12 PM
benfica vs Manchester united

Anderlecht vs Paris SG

Bayern munich vs Celtic

Qarabag FK vs Atletico Madrid

Barcelona vs olympiacos

Juventus vs sporting CP

I will try to take the team that I mark bold, I think it should all be able to win the game easily.
 

What you are doing here is not the smartest thing to do. If a team 'should win easily', doesn't make the bet good. You need to look wheter a team wins a mach enough of the time to make the line you're betting good or not.

For example, if I'd give you an odd of 1.01 for Juventus to win, would you take it? Probably not. They don't win enough of the time to make that line profitable. If a bet is profitable depends on which odds you're getting, and they are probably very low on these matches. I'm not saying they're too low, but that might be the case, and you should take that in concideration.

Therefore I'd advice you to take a look at the lines, and concider wheter or not the bets you're making are profitable.

Well, I would say that at least the Qarabag and Barca games are definitely to be avoided on straight bets, but I would definitely use them to pad up a reasonably risky bet to get accumulator odds above 2.0 odds. For example, Athletico Madrid are at 1.32, and Barca's 1.08. Put in acca together with say,
PSG at 1.17 and you get a more respectable 1.67.

The bookies do seem to be taking into account the unpredictability of this season's Champions League so far, as I'm seeing so many closed bets on my bookie with extra options.

I might risk the Barca-Olympiakos game for a Under 3.5 goals, for the 2.45 returns. Barca may have 2-3 goals in them, but not more.

16933  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin is falling, But don't worry! on: October 18, 2017, 03:41:58 PM
Bitcoin started falling and might fall upto $4800. The main support is at $4800, bitcoin markets supports doesn't works like other currencies as rumors and fake peoples makes panic between peoples to make the market fall and buy coins in cheaper price. Now its time!!  Grin Buy more BTC's because BTC is going to $10K soon!!

Yes!! Last month this same f**k happened with us with JP Morgans speech and panic between peoples. Let bitcoin fall as much as possible and buy more coins that you can make more money. Bitcoin is the #1 Number One Online Currency now and popular in all over world.  Wink

Now it starts falling and you will find rumors in google about fakes news to make panic between peoples. Bitcoin will be higher in $6000+

#ITS_TIME_TO_BUY



To be honest, I was surprised it took so "long" to correct. These surges tend to be quickly followed by depressions almost as impressive. But you're right, this is a market unlike any other and I've given up long ago to try and predict movement in the short term. So I'll stick to what has always served me well: it will rise again, if not in weeks, in months.

The thing I now need to learn is that alts no longer follow Bitcoin's rise so closely!

P.S. It's always a good time to buy!
16934  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: First official license for a Swiss Bitcoin company on: October 18, 2017, 02:41:14 PM
This may not seem like a big thing right now, but there's actually a flurry of movement by several companies (including ICO launches) that are seeking the same recognition, working with FINMA. It's happened sooner than expected, but is not a big surprise considering Switzerland's warmth thus far towards Bitcoin and CryptoValley may very well become the choice destination for European crypto/blockchain startups.

And today, right at this moment, there is a meeting at the EU Parliament on EU engagement with the industry, with two MEPs. I understand Bitfury was slated to join, along with the other suits from the Branson entourage. 2018 will be the year of Bitcoin (and crypto) regulation.
16935  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: btc gold to exchanges or wallets only? on: October 18, 2017, 09:08:29 AM
There's quite a bit of discussion on this forum but if you want a reliable quick guide, head on over to the horse's mouth at http://btcgpu.org/

On the landing page, if you scroll down, you'll find a list of wallets supporting Bitcoin Gold or BCG as they're calling it. There are also a few exchanges on that list that have committed to crediting equal amounts of BCG for BTC balances. The latter required you to trust the exchange... I'd say HitBTC is the most reliable on that list, but don't take my word for it.

Read their FAQ for more info.
16936  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Find old Bitcoin someone gave me years ago on: October 18, 2017, 07:54:12 AM
Hey Everyone,
I appreciate all the feedback.  As you can probably tell I am new to cryptos and all the ideas and suggestions help.  I am a novice stock market investor, but want to get involved in cryptos.  My preliminary research into Bitcoin and Ethererum is not only encouraging, but has seriously restored my faith in humanity...really.  The people who developed these systems are true humanitarians.  Furthermore, the positive feedback here on this forum, I think reveals that the nature of cryptos, beyond the mechanics of currencies, is going to take me a little while longer to fundamentally understand.  Kudos, we are rooting for the cryptos.


Aren't the guys here one big, helpful community? And welcome to Bitcoin! It's refreshing to see that newcomers find their initial information on crypto to be encouraging. I doubt many, including myself, will agree that the developers of these ideas are all true humanitarians, but I do recall being inspired by some of my early readings from those like Andreas M. Antonopoulos (you should read his books, quite easily available online) which for me were great introductions by way of insightful snapshots taken from his lectures.

Enjoy your journey!
16937  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2017-10-17] Hong Kong Bitcoin Exchange OKEx to Open SegWit2x Futures Market on: October 18, 2017, 06:59:51 AM
it had significantly wealther and more powerful interests behind it.
Bitcoin Cash had ViaBTC and a small amount of miners, plus the acceptance of some wallets and exchanges (not that this meant that the services necessarily supported it).

SegWit2x has the following powerful supporters:

-BITMAIN (who did not support Bitcoin Cash, despite all the misinformation on this forum)
-Bitpay
-Coinbase
-Digital Currency Group
-Xapo
-Shapeshift.io
-A sizeable yet falling amount of miners, currently around 80-90% of them.

Clearly you are not paying attention.

Yes, you are right, I wasn't paying attention, my mistake for reading Segwit2x as Bitcoin Gold! So take that mistake into context and you'll see it was pretty pointless to list all that up there, as I was saying that Bitcoin Cash had "significantly wealthier and more powerful interests behind it"... thank you for backing up that statement, nevertheless! Well done!


16938  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Europa League/Champions League Lounge on: October 18, 2017, 05:40:08 AM
What a heck happened to Sevilla in Moscow? Concede 5 goals against Spartak is something terrible.
And Man City today started match with high intensity, had many dangerous moments, scored 2 goals and then they stopped. They started making stupid mistakes in defence and in start of attacks which resulted dangerous Napoli attacks. Happily for City, Napoli didn't scored second goal.

Sevilla must really want to drop back down to try and win the Europa League again Wink But yeah, this is a strange group indeed. The team that could only manage to draw with Maribor beat the team that Liverpool couldn't beat. Didn't watch the Sevilla game but it must have been a comedy of errors or just plain arrogance from the Spanish team, or just a ruthless Russian side.

Liverpool didn't play too brilliantly, to be honest. All 7 goals were good of course, but I suspect a better keeper and defence might have at least stopped 3 of them. They're just lucky the 2 chances Maribor had went to wasteful finishing, and luckier Karius wasn't given more opportunities to slip up. Now to just win 2 more games.
16939  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2017-10-17] Hong Kong Bitcoin Exchange OKEx to Open SegWit2x Futures Market on: October 17, 2017, 06:44:15 PM
Bitfinex S2X futures trade around the 0.14BTC mark, which is quite what I would expext them to trade for in case a chain split has become reality. Eventually, the value of S2X coins will follow the same route as BCC.

All these splits are pathetic in reality, but people get excited and hyped up due to them thinking about the "free money" that rolls into their pockets. I'm afraid that these splits will become somewhat of a trend, unfortunately.

Worst thing is that basically any entity is free to fork off at any time, and exactly this freedom is something certain entities have no problems with exploiting, even when they know that it might potentially harm Bitcoin.

I'm really surprised that they've valued it so high, only fractionally lower than what BCH futures were like. Not that I'm a fan of Bitcoin Cash, but it had significantly wealther and more powerful interests behind it. Bitcoin Gold, for all its ideology can't seriously believe it can make a convincing case to users.

It'll follow the same route as BCH, that's for sure. But I foresee them sliding down that slippery slope even quicker.

As many as 3 splits this year, you reckon this will only set the path for more next year?
16940  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Europa League/Champions League Lounge on: October 17, 2017, 04:53:03 PM
Any predictions about  Real Madrid - Tottenham?



Ronaldo's ended his goal drought but he's always going to be a danger either way. Kane might be put off by Madrid's approaches to buy him, but I feel he will be a true professional by showing off his worth. If spurs win the midfield early on and set the pace with a goal in first half, then this is theirs to win. I predict 2-1 to Spurs.

On my own end, only interested in Liverpool ending their winless streak and Maribor's got to be there for the taking. My only concern is persisting with Karius who gives away soft goals, otherwise Lovren and Matip should be more than enough to hold the fort.
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