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1721  Economy / Economics / Re: Investing in what porfo is good in the period of stagnation on: October 04, 2015, 07:54:21 AM
Depends on what your country has to offer. Bitcoin isn't that much a good investment vehicle to use though it can still serve as one. Gold and other precious metals tend to have price increases for a long time, so it is a good storage of value. Real estate is kinda pricey, but still a good investment given that the need for space and shelter is always present and increasing. Stocks can go pretty bad, but if planned well, stocks can help you in getting some fat profit and checks.

According to me no one can predict the trend and the prices of any goods in the future. Even my secure way of expression about of the rising of price of bitcoin in one my above post is excessive (I accept this). But I don't think that the increase of gold and the other precious metals will be bigger that the price of bitcoin in term of the periods we talk above. Anyhow this is an my opinion and It is not mean that it will be this way.
1722  Economy / Economics / Re: Investing in what porfo is good in the period of stagnation on: October 04, 2015, 07:49:55 AM
Hello everyone, I want to know if it is good to invest on what goods while there is stagnation in economy, for example is it good to invest on  real state, Gold, buying stocks...? Suppose stock market has been collapsing for 1 year and real state market prices stop and decreased. What decisions are considered intelligent decisions?

where you make this investements?
In what country? How many funds you have?
There are a lot of question to ask before saying an option... what is good in China is not good in Africa... and so on...  Wink

Correct. But if you need (want) to invest in something that is worth in every country and every time you can invest in bitcoin. The price of bitcoin will grow and will go high. Being a limited number of coins and being spread every day more its value will more and more high. This will be reflected on its change with the other currencies. The only problem is that this kind of investment is long term investment (for sure). Maybe very, very long term. There can be high values even soon but for sure can be told only that it is a very long term investment. So if you want to do such investment buy bitcoin as you want or the amount of money who want to risk in this kind of investment and send them to your wallet. Then forget them. Remember only when the change with the other currencies has reached the value wanted by you. Change those and you will have you profit.

The price of bitcoin will grow and will go high
...
I think that the user need an help in other type of commodities and not only btc...
Keep in mind that also the volume can change the situation... If I can buy one house at 200.000 dollars, ok I am an "estate investor" but to make a "really" investment i need moore and moore funds....

If the price of bitcoin can go 1000 000  us dollar one bitcoin for me it is enough to buy even 10 bitcoins - which cost about 2400 - 2500 us dollar - that are not the amounts you mention. So, I think, that the investment is an investment whatever may be the amount of money spent to buy bitcoin.
1723  Economy / Economics / Re: Government & Bitcoin on: October 04, 2015, 07:34:02 AM
Government also play a role about the adoption of bitcoin in real life. But as bitcoin is not like other currency and physical item it will not be regulated by any government. This have both problem and benefits, as problem bitcoin can be used by scammers,criminals,smuglers with being anonymous and as benefit bitcoin is currency of the miners who have actually grows it from their computer and which is also valuable till now.

I think the government restriction may lower the adoption and price of bitcoin in future. Which is dangerous situation for both us and miners.
 

I think the same. But first, it is better not namely restriction but regulation and second, it is not government which can made such regulations by the Authorities which manage the money of the country. And they independent from the countries. Maybe, may be some of those which can be depended bu the government (it it will included to many agencies) but the most important authority (normally Central Banks) is independent.
1724  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: KeepKey Wallet - anyone using this? on: October 04, 2015, 07:22:37 AM
I don't know this wallet but there one from Butterfly Lab which are a business much more known then the creators of this wallet. Offer the same qualities and more. You can see yourself and create your own opinion about which is the best for you: http://www.butterflylabs.com/bitcoin-hardware-wallet/
1725  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The future of bitcoin on: October 04, 2015, 07:12:35 AM
What is Bitcoin and what will it become?
To believers, it’s the future of money, privacy and payments, the end of greedy banks and the fall of government fiat currencies.
To critics, it’s an elaborate scam, the currency of cyber villains, a threat to sovereign states.
To others, it’s already nothing, practically dead on arrival.

In which side are you?

I have one my idea about the future of bitcoin which is expressed here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1191118.0. Who wants can read it. Comments are welcomed.
1726  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What is the safest and simplest way to keep bitcoins? on: October 04, 2015, 07:08:13 AM
First my greetings to the forum on bitcoins because I am interested in currency, including already have registered my blockchain with only $ 4 ...

However, what is the safest way to store them? Is there a way to deliver them in paper money, or some kind of title? I am the IT area, and I think it will be a lot of work having to do several portfolios. And I have no other internet without computer or a printer, to remember.


I appreciate everyone's attention,
Lanpenn

The only way to store bitcoins or other cryptocurrencies is to have their corresponding wallets. I would recommend as a wallet for bitcoin coinbase. It is an very good wallet, very credible, very secure and for more pay them all the fees that must be paid when is the need to send bitcoin to someone or to buy something. Or anyway to move bitcoin from your wallet. I am not sure about this but this option is offered only by this wallet.
1727  Economy / Speculation / Re: The Bullish News and Articles Thread on: October 04, 2015, 06:54:40 AM

First I have my doubts about the existence of an economy without cash. It's right that the amount of cash is always in diminution but this are happen only in the developed countries. But how is their number compared to the other non developed economies of the world which are totally cash-dependent? I think very few.

Second glory to bitcoin. The replacement of the common currencies by it is our common desire. But I have again my doubts about the possibility that bitcoin replace the currencies of all the world. It is impossible to be national currency a currency that is not owned by this country. And bitcoin it will be never owned by no one country. So it is true that bitcoin based economy is almost perfect and better than the cashless system used today but I think that the solution is another. Every country create its bitcoin clone based currency and use it as a currency. And bitcoin be the currency of currencies. For this read more this thread (if wanted): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1191118.0. Every comment about it is welcomed.

Fakhoury my bro, I want your thoughts about my ideas in this thread. You will help me to find my errors (as you do always Wink and may give me other precious ideas about it.
1728  Economy / Speculation / Re: The Bullish News and Articles Thread on: October 04, 2015, 06:39:51 AM

The regulation of bitcoin from community is a beauty wonder but will remain such. In which way can be possible? Then why the community has created and elected their institutions? Is the community is able to handle and realize such specialized things? What is the need of those if this kind of things (authorities) if their duty must be made by their creators and electors?
1729  Economy / Speculation / Re: The Bullish News and Articles Thread on: October 04, 2015, 06:28:27 AM

Another University. As a former professor these are the best news I can read about bitcoin. If bitcoin will "explode" at the universities and other kind of schools this will accelerate in an incredible way the day of its known and regulation from the authorities.
1730  Economy / Speculation / Re: The Bullish News and Articles Thread on: October 04, 2015, 06:23:19 AM
I understand your fear. But read the following:

Regulated don't mean limited or fighting my friend but only open ALL the ways in which bitcoin can be used for good and close ALL the others. It is the officially KNOWN of bitcoin by the country. It the spread of it in a free and SECURE way within its territory. It is doing business with it without fear that one day some public employer close your business without giving any explanation. It is the use of it from all the Big-s of your country. With few words. It is everything needed that bitcoin be "something that exist" (will be known officially by the authorities). Now it is "nothing" (is ignored by mostly of those). Only this. You must not have fear from the legalization. You need to want and to ask for it.

I understand you and really respect what you said brother, but don't forget we want Bitcoin to be as decentralized as possible, don't forget this.

Who told that being regulated it will be centralized. Bitcoin is spread in all the wolrd and no one can control it except its technology. But we must discuss about the meaning of the word "decentralization", I think. According to this source: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/decentralized:

de·cen·tral·ize  (dē-sĕn′trə-līz′)

v. de·cen·tral·ized, de·cen·tral·iz·ing, de·cen·tral·iz·es
v.tr.

1. To distribute the administrative functions or powers of (a central authority) among several local authorities.
2.
           a. To bring about the redistribution of (an urban population and industry) to suburban areas.
           b. To cause to withdraw or disperse from a center of concentration: decentralize a university complex; decentralize a museum.

v.intr.
To undergo redistribution or dispersal away from a central location or authority.

In few words the decentralization is the distribution of power but under the Authorities.

Then in any of the word mentioned in this dictionary I don't see risk of centralization for bitcoin if it will be regulated by every single country. Every country will have its rules (which probably will be different and no one of this country will have the power to control bitcoin in the other countries.

Maybe in the future may be one centralization but this time is very remote, very, very remote.

I'm waiting your meaning about the word "decentralization."  Huh
1731  Economy / Speculation / Re: The Bullish News and Articles Thread on: October 04, 2015, 06:02:38 AM
"One of the earliest and most vocal financial institutions in the fray, however, was US stock exchange Nasdaq, which revealed in May it had been working for a year to harness bitcoin's distributed ledger for private stock sales."

Nasdaq will implement blockchain. Another Big like Nasdaq will adopt the technology which invented bitcoin and its main part. This can happen only and because bitcoin is legal (regulated). (http://www.coindesk.com/information/is-bitcoin-legal/

Europe where are you?

Europe will come, don't worry.

But did Nasdaq mention that they will be using Bitcoin's Blockchain ?


Maybe not directly but indirectly. From the article:

Voss presented a clear roadmap for Nasdaq's development, adding candidly that the company is not "married" to the bitcoin blockchain, but is rather "ledger agnostic" in its approach, believing bitcoin remains the best ledger system for its current needs.

My poor English understand the way mentioned by me this phrase. If not you tell me. Maybe I made fact this thing and this one my be one of my usually errors. But my meaning is that when they will implement the blockchain will implement the bitcoin blockchain being it the best for their needs. For most. he mentiont "current needs". So the implementation will be soon.
1732  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Are you holding your bitcoin for a price increase? on: October 03, 2015, 06:41:51 PM
I have put a big amount of bitcoins in cold storage and I'm waiting for the price of $10k, really not $1000.
Even my friends not believing me, but I'm sure bitcoin will bounce back and will peak to new levels. History has to repeat.

That's the meaningful expectations, I also have faith on bitcoin to reach that levels very soon. But nobody is ready to believe myself too. But I see many people here saying bitcoin may reach even 1 million level too. But that may be my next target. But, my first target is 10k for my 50% hoardings.

Bitcoin will surely hit $1 million/coin due to inflation. Roll Eyes What's important is 1 bitcoin = 1 bitcoin, though I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be the mindset until we haven't see merchants and people alike using bitcoins for everyday use.

I would tell: Your word in the ear of God. It is an expression, used in my country, which wish with all the hart that something you want happen. In this case your prediction about the price of bitcoin. I can wait even 10 years that this happen. I would wait even more but I have fear that if will happen after those years there it will be no more possibilities for me to enjoy as I want those.  Wink Cheesy
1733  Economy / Gambling / Re: Bitcoin Poker Sites? on: October 03, 2015, 06:30:13 PM
I'm looking for the most active Bitcoin poker sites?

So far I've been to;

Nitrogensports

Betcoin

SWC

Pokershibes

Am I missing any? Which one is the best and has less cheaters? Which ones have you had the best luck at? Also I like playing Sit N Go games so I want to play somewhere where they have active Sit N Go games 

You need only one thing. To not gamble. If you will be able to do this you will something and not bitcoins. Think.....
1734  Economy / Speculation / Re: quiet before the storm. $18000 coming! on: October 03, 2015, 06:27:55 PM
Don't be fooled by the quiet and stable price. The next pump will bring it all the way up to at least $18000.
There simply is too much demand.
Put your buy orders now


You must tell the exact date and the hour in which will happen this event. Otherwise no one will believe you. So make an edit and add those data. I'm waiting.... Cheesy
1735  Economy / Economics / Re: POLL: Bitcoin Inequality on: October 03, 2015, 05:13:14 PM
Vote honestly. If you change your mind, change your vote!

Feel free to debate your side in the comments below.

Godspeed.

If the bitcoins are earned honestly it is more than right that everyone have all its bitcoins and enjoy those whatever it can be the number. Inequality exist in every field of life and every human being. Why can be wrong in this field? There are not two people equal in most of the things, beginning from their genes. Its natural that be diversity in every other existing thing.
1736  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Would you consider this as a possible threat to Bitcoin? on: October 03, 2015, 05:02:38 PM
We already know the Chinese miners have a advantage over other miners in the world, namely cheaper electricity.

We also know that the halving will happen in 2016 and most miners will struggle to make a profit and they will quit mining, if the price of Bitcoin do not increase with the halving.

The only people who might still make a profit, will be the people with the cheap electricity or those who has some sort of edge over the rest.

This already happened when ASIC's were introduced, and most CPU/GPU solo miners left the mining scene, because they could not stay profitable and compete with the people

who used the ASIC's.

Let's say this does happen, and we are left with one nation or geographical area dominating the mining scene, will this not be seen as centralization and a possible weak point?

Another scenario could be, where say Finland create some sort of new ASIC chip or new technology that is capable of doing much more calculations and they then decide not

to export it to other nations and just dominate the mining scene. The difficulty would increase and the people with the old technology will be pushed out of mining in theory.

Do you perceive this as a possible threat? Or just the natural evolution of Bitcoin?   

According to me this scenarios are a good imagination but nothing else.

First scenario that suppose that Chinese can dominate the scene of mining cannot be known because the technology can invent things (minings hardware) that can overcome the cheap electricity of the firsts. So the other miners will not go out of mining. This is most probable to be true according to me than your first supposition.

The same with the second scenario. Why must be only Finland that will create this hardware? Have no arguments about this. There are to many the businesses which produce hardware for mining and are no reason's that those cannot invent mining hardware less good than Finland.

So, as a conclusion your fear, I think, it is without bases and you must remain sure that no one of your supposed things cannot happen.  Wink
1737  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is NOT an MLM kind of ponzi on: October 03, 2015, 04:41:45 PM
Some people claim bitcoin will give good returns to only for early adopters not to the later entries, like MLM works.
My view,
1. Bitcoin is still in early stages, so we will get big boom from it.
2. Unlike MLM you will not loose anything because of bitcoin buying. You can use it or re-sale it.
3. Satoshi has designed bitcoin like initially as a investment later as a money. So, never afraid of it's worth.
4. Bitcoin is NOT ponzi scheme, as below
Buy--> Use = No profit no lose when used as money
Buy-->Hold-->Use = Big profit,NO Lose. Profit only when used as investment.

It have no sense and any kind of connections between bitcoin and MLM or a ponzi scheme. No need to mention it as a new thing. You that has open this thread must read a little more about bitcoin then make threads about it. There are to many information in internet. Put the word "bitcoin" in google and do a search. Read what you like or want to read and will understand a little more about it. Then make a thread more serious.
1738  Economy / Marketplace / Re: All in one marketplace! What do you think? on: October 03, 2015, 04:33:11 PM
Hi!
While making a marketplace where people can buy and sell (auctions) the domain and website.I got another idea of making a all in one simple marketplace where buyers meet seller,Buyer post anything thing what they want to sell like any currency exchange (Paypal to BTC,Neteller,Skrill etc) or any type of currency exchange,they can sell their websites,domains,any digital goods,services,equipments etc.

Buyers will talk to seller using live chat also they can add escrower on live chat as well so deal can make quickly when three of people will talk in live chat!.There will be many escrow members will be live on the website!


Escrower can take fees as well if they want to!

How do you think?

I can tell that you are a big dreamer, have big dreams but the dream explained by you in your main post is a little difficult to be created. Anyhow you try. Maybe I'm wrong.
1739  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin in 2100 of year on: October 03, 2015, 04:29:10 PM
the previously bitcoin less known and less in demand before 2013 of year's, but since the year 2014 bitcoin very searched by everyone as far as finally technological developments in the field of bitcoin is also growing, begin to from building a mining tool such as a type of ASIC, GPU, etc.

the next time, approximately what will happen to bitcoin in future? do a someone people can build a time machine for a mining bitcoin? or other

I am not an a native English but it is easy to understand that your English (without wanted to offend you) very hard to be understood. I am answering to your title. I suppose in the year 2100 bitcoin will be well known by most of the people in around the world, will have a very very high value, will be regulated in all or most of the countries and it will be an important world currency.
1740  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Donations with bitcoin to seomeone that doesn't accept it on: October 03, 2015, 04:18:48 PM
Hello there. Ι was wondering if there's any service out there where I as an individual could use to direct other people's bitcoin donations to a publicly used account meant for donations.

Example, I want to urge people to donate to x party with bitcoin. x party only accepts bank deposits. I would need a trusted service that would convert all incoming transactions for the operation I set up to FIAT and send it to the bank address.

You can use a coinbase wallet to do all the actions you want. Send in this wallet all the bitcoins then convert those in us dollar and then from there in one bank account. But the problem is that all this things cannot be made from every country. You try. Open a coinbase wallet (is free) and see if everything can be made from your country.
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