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1741  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: BITCOIN PUMP! on: December 13, 2022, 07:29:28 PM
Oggi mi avete fatto accrescere ancora di più la paranoia! Ho tirato via da binance anche le ultime shitcoin che avevo messo a macerare lì 😅😅😅
1742  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: FTX - Sam Bankman-Fried è stato arrestato on: December 13, 2022, 07:26:22 PM
Beh una buona notizia prima di fine anno è arrivata, in base al sistema giudiziario americano non gli daranno più di 10 anni di reclusione e 1 milione di ammenda, almeno che non ci siano altre aggravanti! Ma sostanzialmente è questa la pena

Per i 10 anni direi che per le famiglie travolte dal caso gli sembreranno sicuramente pochi ( e come dargli torto)

Il milione di ammenda sinceramente sarà solo un solletichino sotto i piedi a SBF

Se davvero verrebbe confermata tale pena mi sa che vince lui! Ma stiamo a vedere come si evolve la situazione
1743  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: BITCOIN PUMP! on: December 12, 2022, 08:32:45 PM
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nella prima frase è riportato il riferimento di legge, poi ogni regione tra quelle che citavo prima ha ripreso quel regolamento e lo ha "personalizzato" stabilendo requisiti, limiti e multe diverse. Tra l'altro dal 2017 ad oggi i regolamenti regionali sono stati rivisti più volte quindi per avere una situazione chiara devi andare a scaricarti più delibere.
In particolare sia in Lombardia sia in Piemonte esiste l'obbligo del controllo annuale dei fumi che deve essere eseguito da personale abilitato ecc. ecc., i soliti requisiti che si chiedono per controlli di questo tipo.
L'unica possibilità ad oggi prevista per poter essere esentato da questi obblighi è qualora il camino sia l'unica fonte di riscaldamento presente nell'edificio.




io controllo ogni anno Smiley i fumi, pagati anche abbastanza bene
lo ritengo una buona cosa per evitare che ci siano "scoppi" con conseguenti morti e costi sociali
di conseguenza e' una cosa giusta ma per davvero

anche io ho il camino, ma dovrei sistemarlo per entrare a norma
in ogni caso non posso metterci la legna a caxxo

ma tanto se arriviamo nella situazione brutta che mi aspetto che arrivi, chissenefotte

Io nonostante abiti in affitto sono obbligato a fare manutenzione (alla caldaia nel mio caso non avendo camino) e ogni tre anni mi spetta fare anche i fumi, per carità trovo giusto eseguire la manutenzione più controllo fumi per una questione di sicurezza ma trovo esagerato l'imposizione nel adeguare i sistemi di riscaldamento soprattutto quando sono ancora perfettamente funzionanti, come diceva @duesoldi questa è mafia.

Comunque sia meglio tornare a parlare di Bitcoin che è meglio 😅
1744  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Bloody Year 2022 coming to End on: December 12, 2022, 01:07:10 PM

Bitcoin is about to go through a bloody year.  A number of unexpected events have prevented the Bitcoin market from ever moving upward this year.  Dozens of unexpected events have struck fear into the minds of investors.  Starting with investors, governments and central banks have taken a cautious stance on Bitcoin.  So we are almost at the end of this unexpected year.

Some Bloody Events 2022 & Funds Exploits

  • Mango Exploit : $114-115M
  • Wintermute Hack: $160M
  • Beanstalk Farm Hack: $180M
  • Nomad Bridge Hack: $190M
  • WormHole Hack: $320M
  • Ronin Hack: $600M
  • Voyager : $3.75b
  • BlockFi: $4.5b
  • Celsius: $4.5b
  • Genesis Bankrupt: $5b
  • 3AC implosions: $18b
  • Luna/UST crashed: $40b
  • FTX and Alameda Crashed: $40b+

The above shameful scam has completely negative impact on the Bitcoin market in 2022.  We all hope that such incidents do not happen in cryptocurrencies in the coming years.


the good news is that this 2022 is coming to an end, but will it also take away all these problems? this will have to be checked! there have always been scams and there will always be, the important thing is that the whole community does not dissolve and continues on its way, I add that even events outside of hacks and scams of Cex and platforms there are macroscopic events such as war in Ukraine, skyrocketing global inflation and many other problems
1745  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Qatar world cup Final Predictions on: December 12, 2022, 12:55:56 PM
Code:
Argentina vs Croatia : 13/12
France vs Morocco : 14/12

here we enter the hottest phase of the world cup, the many surprises seen so far have lost many bets (including me). Morocco was confirmed as a surprise team, no one imagined that they could reach the semi-finals (record for an African nation)
France is the most popular for the final victory.
I believe that the Final is played by France and Argentina and I hope for Messi that he can lift the most important trophy. I really believe that Argentina will win the world cup

First of all, it should be said that all these four teams deservedly went to the semi-finals, because they showed more mental strength and toughness than their opponents, even though they may not have been the best in terms of player names.
So far, this world cup has shown that it is not the individual qualities of individual players that matter, but the strength of the team and team spirit.
In my opinion, both semi-finals are completely open and all outcomes are possible, even for Morocco and Croatia to go to the final.
There are no sure wins and favorites at this world cup, and any underestimation and relaxation will be immediately punished.
I would just like to remind you that at the last World Cup, Croatia convincingly beat Argentina 3:0, and this year in the League of Nations, Croatia beat France in Paris. Just something to think about  Grin
In this tournament  it is most difficult to forecast how a game will turn out. We have all seen how a weak squad  degrade a strong team. The defeat of a strong squad by a weak team is no longer shocking. The Croatia vs. Morocco final is a possibility. It's quite likely that Croatia and Morocco will win the cup because neither team has ever won one. France and Argentina have previously experienced it. Either Croatia or Morocco winning would be my choice. Tomorrow, Croatia will undoubtedly make it difficult for Argentina. And scale through to the final

I agree with both, this world cup has given us many surprises, I believe that only 0.01% of bettors have bet a single dollar to see Morocco in the semifinals, no one expected it, all four are there deservedly! on paper there are 2 strong and 2 less strong teams, but it doesn't matter now! we have seen how the weakest defeated the strongest. my prediction is always France vs Argentina but I wouldn't mind at all seeing Morocco vs Croatia in the final, it would give a strong signal to all nations that even the less strong can compete and win
1746  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will Crypto survive? on: December 12, 2022, 07:07:24 AM
After almost 9 years of playing around with bitcoin and cryptos I have nearly seen it all.

The Fall of Mt. Gox was all the rage, the crypto markets collapsed for years, and yet, it seemed like there was just so much more potential during that time, so much excitement and shilling...
The markets collapsed, but the communities were strong.

Now seems different...

The crypto winter kicked off and the first casualty was Luna... 6 months later we watched Ftx collapse, and now many "Trustworthy" and "Safe" exchanges are playing games with user funds due to the mismanagement of assets and too much exposure to Ftx.
What happens next?

Did too many people get burned too bad this time?

Is the negative outlook too much now?

I worry that this may be the beginning of the end to many long lasting projects and potentially bitcoin itself... This crypto winter has at least another year to run its course and we are still watching the FTX fallout unravel.
It's some tough times, indeed... All the bags of worthless tokens that were once projects of potential.

Anyone out there have words of encouragement regarding the future of crypto? Anything the future holds to look forward to?



valuable project I know of only one and it's called Bitcoin, for the rest they are projects created only for speculative purposes. I myself got hurt with LUNA and from that day on my thoughts towards altcoins have been completely distorted, now you can no longer trust even strong communities, we will never know what secret jobs the creators of a particular crypto do . this time the markets have not only collapsed but they have also lost the enthusiasm that revolved around crypto, many people got hurt by losing huge amounts of dollars, other people will walk away and the recovery of the market will be very slow.
1747  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2022/2023 on: December 12, 2022, 06:49:30 AM
Quote from: Pulsar77
Liverpool have a really challenging task ahead of them to perform. They have got pretty much away from the teams ahead of them in the standings due to a bad form. Their problem wasn't limited to only big matches. They lost many points against much smaller teams than themselves. I still can't forget the Nottingham and Leeds losses. Although Liverpool have one of the most impressive attacking players in the league they have had problems on winning many simple matches. Klopp hasn't still found out a solution for this but I believe he will.

They had better start from improving their defending. Because they have conceded many more goals than the normal level. The weaknesses in defense caused them to lose points in some matches that they were close to winning as well.

I think, there will be massive improvement from Liverpool after the holiday because their fans are not smiling about the defeat they experienced from small teams in this season, which will make the team to correct the errors to make their fans happy again. Liverpool will definitely recover from this challenges that is affecting them since Sadio mane left the team, and it hard their coach to get a talented player that can handle that position very well like Sadio mane. I believe, Liverpool coach will do something profitable to improve the team soon so that he will not experience sack letter from Liverpool president.

you are absolutely right, replacing Sadio Mané is not easy, and in the winter transfer market other teams will hardly sell their best players, so I think it will not be easy for Liverpool to find someone who can make Sadio Mané forget. Luckily for Liverpool they have one of the best managers and I'm sure he will lift the club's fortunes this year, the race to win the championship is now compromised but they will fight for a place in the Champions League
1748  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: December 12, 2022, 06:31:03 AM
Milan still has a long way to go for catching up with Napoli in the standings. Because they still have some weaknesses against even weaker teams than themselves. They lost 5 points recently because of this kind of games and caused the gap with Napoli to get even bigger. Milan don't have the luxury of losing many points from now on.

We don't know how these teams will return from the break of course. But if Napoli players keep the same motivation and maintain a big team effort than Milan will need to move on with minimum amout of point losses as of then.

This year's Milan is not last year's Milan, it has lost a bit of brilliance, like all teams compared to last year! Napoli, on the other hand, totally changed their way of playing and the results are there for all to see! difficult to recover the 8 points for the rossoneri, otherwise they will have to hope for a gift from the cousins ​​of Inter, by winning the match against Napoli at the resumption of the championship, so as to reopen the race for the scudetto
1749  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: People who don't use hardware wallets: Why not? on: December 10, 2022, 11:58:28 PM
Just purely out of curiosity. 99% of people who don't know how to properly create an airgapped device should be using hardware wallets.

let's say that a hardware wallet is quite useful, but there are a few things to keep in mind
  • if you need to store a few hundred dollars in crypto, you can do without it
  • use open source devices and do not rely on companies that produce devices with closed source code

let's say these are the prerogatives that everyone must take into account, in my opinion there are more secure methods than hardware wallets, and many in this thread have already told you about it
1750  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Qatar world cup Final Predictions on: December 10, 2022, 11:39:27 PM
Code:
Argentina vs Croatia : 13/12
France vs Morocco : 14/12

here we enter the hottest phase of the world cup, the many surprises seen so far have lost many bets (including me). Morocco was confirmed as a surprise team, no one imagined that they could reach the semi-finals (record for an African nation)
France is the most popular for the final victory.
I believe that the Final is played by France and Argentina and I hope for Messi that he can lift the most important trophy. I really believe that Argentina will win the world cup
1751  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA 2022 world cup on: December 10, 2022, 10:08:12 PM
Impressive. France is unstoppable with Giroud and Mbappe, maybe they will win the trophy for the second in a row or they can be stopped by the Morocco national team ? I can't guess. Is it possible Croatia will win against Argentina, to they Croatia can revenge for the last world cup in the final if against france? But if Morocco finally wins and gets the trophy, this will be a surprise to us and a very good historical record for them. Although on paper Morocco is not the favorite, but they have a strong in defense.

so far France has proven to be very strong! they remain the number one candidates for the final victory, it is difficult for morocco to reach the final, on paper they are inferior but nothing is certain! for me the final will be Argentina vs France, they are the two strongest national teams left in the running. but how nice would it be to see a Morocco vs Croatia final instead? in football anything is possible
1752  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: BITCOIN PUMP! on: December 10, 2022, 09:16:02 PM
La regola di per sé è veramente assurda! Ma io mi immagino tutti sto funzionari comunali che vengono a controllare casa per casa tutti i camini o stufe a pellet senza che escono con un occhio nero da qualche abitazione, è quasi inapplicabile una roba simile!

E' assurda anche perché ci sono camini che hanno poco più di 10 anni e funzionano ancora benissimo, ma ti obbligano a cambiarli perché la casa non rilascia certificazioni sulla classe di riferimento precedenti una certa data.
Praticamente devi buttare via una cosa che funziona bene solo perché qualcuno si è inventato una normativa che lascia il tempo che trova.
Inutile far osservare che tra consumo per smaltire il vecchio e costruire il nuovo, l'inquinamento che vai a creare non sia da poco, ma quel che interessa in casi come questi è solo far comperare qualcosa di nuovo e quindi far lavorare costruttori, rivenditori e installatori.
Una mafia insomma.

Ah naturalmente queste nuove regole impongono anche di far controllare i fumi OGNI ANNO. Così ogni anno sei obbligato a spendere 120/140 € per far venire lì uno che con uno strumento/scatolotto che potrebbe anche non funzionare ti dice che i fumi vanno bene.
Una mafia, appunto.




ci sarebbe però da leggere bene la normativa, perchè è vero che ci sono obblighi sulle certificazioni ma servono soltanto per una ipotetica vendita dell'immobile, per tanto se hai un camino a legna, ha 10 anni o ne ha 50 inquina tale e quale, per cui la certificazione è valida soltanto per questioni di stabilità e specifiche antisismiche, e per stilare in che classe di efficienza si attesta il tuo immobile, la classe APE per intenderci.

non esiste un vero e proprio obbligo, perchè potresti avere sia camino che riscaldamento a termosifoni e il camino lo usi solo come estetica e nessuno può dirti di toglierlo o adeguarlo.
1753  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA 2022 world cup on: December 10, 2022, 05:17:17 PM
how beautiful is this world cup? full of twists. for the moment Morocco is winning 1-0 who knows how long this result will last and who knows if they will be able to win this match! it would be a record for Morocco as they would become the first African nation to reach the semi-finals in a world cup

Now that Brazil lost too, I'm rooting for the most improbable and craziest final of all: Croatia and Morocco.
It's insane, I know, but seeing so many "favorite" teams lose to teams that we didn't even imagine would make it this far, I see that the dispute of the final between these two teams is not so unlikely asism to happen.

Morocco is currently beating Portugal, so this is no longer an unlikely scenario to happen.

Croatia managed to dominate the first half of the game and demonstrate superiority to Brazil, managed to hold the score in the second half. With a lot of determination, they tied in overtime and took the decision to penalties.

There are no more small teams in this world cup, anyone can lift this trophy.
For ROnaldo it is his last world cup and they made him sit on the bench and sent him in last 20 min to take all the pressure.
No a good thing to deal with the legend - the Moroccan goalkeeper is very active not letting him make a goal

it is not crazy to think of a morocco Croatia final, obviously everything is possible and we are already realizing it, given that the most popular nations for the final victory have already exited the tournament. Portugal totally got the wrong approach to the match today, they kept their most representative player on the bench for almost the entire match! for me this was a serious mistake, CR7 always puts determination and hates to lose, someone like him can't stay on the bench the whole game
1754  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How important is BTC to the Society? on: December 10, 2022, 04:33:39 PM
Have be thinking about the importance of cryptocurrency, especially BTC in our society today and the nearest future. And how is going to improve the Society especially our environment and economic.

in today's society it is difficult to say how important btc could be, in europe and the united states of america it is seen as an object of speculation, whether it is btc or other crypto. in the future it could be a real alternative to fiat currencies due to decentralization and due to the store of value (consideration that will have to be discussed well) but until there is a mass adoption we could hardly see btc as a legal tender, there are states that have already moved forward (El Salvador) but apparently with little success
1755  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA 2022 world cup on: December 10, 2022, 04:06:19 PM
how beautiful is this world cup? full of twists. for the moment Morocco is winning 1-0 who knows how long this result will last and who knows if they will be able to win this match! it would be a record for Morocco as they would become the first African nation to reach the semi-finals in a world cup
1756  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How important are exchanges? on: December 10, 2022, 10:06:32 AM
Bitcoins can exist without exchanges, but would you support the argument that the existence of exchanges are among the factors facilitating the popularity and accessibility that people have to bitcoins?


I try to say my opinion, which obviously can be shared or not. Bitcoin is a technology! which is likely or not to change the fortunes of future finances. Do you need exchanges? most likely not! if it is seen as a speculative object then it needs a counter value in fiat, but if we look at it as a means of mass adoption then it absolutely does not need the existence of Exchanges
1757  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: BITCOIN PUMP! on: December 10, 2022, 09:34:50 AM
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Poi si sa come è andata a finire, ma a me rompono le palle per la mia EURO 5, mentre in agermania vanno a Carbone (sempre meglio della Polonia..)

Perché, del fatto che stanno obbligando praticamente tutti a cambiare camino (o stufa a pellet) se non hanno la certificazione 3/4 stelle non vogliamo parlare ?

https://www.laprovinciadivarese.it/camini-e-stufe-nuove-regole-in-lombardia-ecco-chi-rischia-la-multa-fino-a-5000-euro-313798/

tra l'altro questa regola entra in vigore proprio in un periodo nel quale a causa delle scarse forniture di gas dovrebbero tutti avere interesse a trovare forme alternative per scaldarsi, e invece obbligano a costosi cambi (con pena di forti multe).

Ah naturalmente in alcune regioni (es. Piemonte) tutto questo vale solo se vivi in pianura o collina, mentre se vivi in montagna non hai nessuno di questi vincoli. Perché sanno tutti che l'aria di montagna resta lì, non è che poi si sposta e va verso la pianura, no ?




La regola di per sé è veramente assurda! Ma io mi immagino tutti sto funzionari comunali che vengono a controllare casa per casa tutti i camini o stufe a pellet senza che escono con un occhio nero da qualche abitazione, è quasi inapplicabile una roba simile!
1758  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: Fisco / Tasse / Legge sul Bitcoin on: December 09, 2022, 11:14:23 PM
Ue: fattura elettronica per le imprese
8 dicembre 2022 da Ultimora - Notizie dal Televideo/RAI
13.48
La Commissione Ue lancia la fatturazione elettronica per le imprese che operano oltre i confini nazionali nell'Ue e nuove regole di trasparenza fiscale per tutti i fornitori di criptovalute, che saranno obbligati a segnalare tutte le transazioni dei clienti residenti Ue
Secondo stime,ciò contribuirà a ridurre le frodi Iva fino a 11 mld all'anno e "aiuterà gli Stati membri a raccogliere fino a 18 mld di euro in più di gettito Iva all'anno".Nel 2020 i Paesi Ue hanno perso 93 mld di gettito Iva, un quarto dei quali attribuibili alle frodi.

Fonte: RAI Televideo

Boh non so più cosa pensare! A voi i commenti

Però! Non pensavo che nel 2022 (quasi 2023...) ci fosse qualcuno sotto i 50 anni che usa ancora il Televideo Grin
A parte gli scherzi, ho trovato quest'altro articolo:

https://www.corriere.it/economia/finanza/22_dicembre_09/criptovalute-saranno-segnalate-fisco-transazioni-clienti-italiani-ed-europei-7d34bf44-779d-11ed-8b31-7101dab59dee.shtml

Non mi sono chiare alcune cose: prima di tutto a quali stati extra-UE si applicherebbero? Poi andrebbero stipulati accordi bilaterali specifici per estendere le attuali norme di scambio automatico delle informazioni? Se così potrebbero passare anni.

Interessante questo punto:

Quote
Le persone interessate sono quelle che detengono un minimo di 1.000.000 di euro di ricchezza finanziaria o investibile, o di patrimonio gestito.

Direi che al momento posso stare tranquillo, allora... ma anche in caso di futuro pump che mi facesse sforare quella soglia, a meno di non fare un mega cashout e convertire tutto, finché il grosso rimane su cold wallet basterebbe eventualmente venderne un po' per volta, e come saprebbero il patrimonio complessivo?

Sono cresciuto a pane e televideo 😂 certe volte vado a cercare articoli e a volte trovo argomenti più interessanti delle testate giornalistiche

Ovviamente come ben sappiamo
Tutti i governanti cercano di fare per il bene del cittadino, nessuno di loro cercherà mai di fare cassa a spese del cittadino, non state a pensare male sempre su dai! In Italia ci chiedono soltanto il 26% sulle plusvalenze mica il 74%!! 😂😂

Scherzi a parte continuo a pensare che ormai fanno leggi e proposte di legge prendendo "ad cazzum" argomenti! non vedo altra soluzione
1759  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: Vorrei comprare USDT con cash - HELP! on: December 09, 2022, 11:06:49 PM
I rischi sono tanti e gente in malafede ormai se ne vede a bizzeffe in giro, non si sa mai che questo al posto di una 24ore piena di soldi ti dia due coltellate. Io comunque opterei per chiudere e cestinare questo thread! Non vorrei che qualcuno ci cascasse veramente
1760  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: December 09, 2022, 10:56:37 PM
paradoxically Roma went better when Mourinho wasn't there, that is the special one
the most expensive and useless trainer in the world
I'm sorry to extinguish the enthusiasm of those who praise this character, but they are not capable

and I'm not saying it because I don't like him, look at Roma's position in recent years
he didn't do anything more than what Roma already did
That is literally the reason why he is their manager. If the dude was "the special one" then he would have been managing a big club, and yes he was great at some point in his career, winning league titles and champions league and all that, he was known as one of the best at a point. However, for the past 5 years or so he has been given chances left and right and he always got bad results and that is why he has been sacked.

Roma is not a huge club, sure a known club but not a huge club, and that is why Mourinho went from "the team that may win the league title and champions league in a single season" to a team "should be fighting for a UCL position hopefully" level.
As you rightly said, Roma is a well-known club but not a big club, but they have a serious project, and the investments made in recent years also demonstrate it, the guy "the special one" it's true that he hasn't improved things much but in alternative led them to victory in a European competition, it may not be a great record in the eyes of many but for Roma fans it was an important milestone. However, it is a trophy that brings a little more prestige for Roma
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