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1741  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I am pretty confident we are the new wealthy elite, gentlemen. on: June 05, 2011, 09:56:41 AM
You know who else does this ? Those who fall for a market bubble, a speculative mania, a gold fever, a balloon, or a ponzi scheme. It's either that or a uh... singularity.

"Markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent."
1742  Economy / Economics / Re: The 2040 problem on: June 05, 2011, 09:27:33 AM
You know, when I clicked on this thread, I was expecting something on the order of Bitcoin becoming self-aware and placing a monolith on the moon.

And what I got instead was "oh noes deflation!"
1743  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why do you trust the miners? on: June 05, 2011, 03:39:24 AM
Smeagol doesn't trust filthy minersess...  always trying to take my precious.
1744  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I love you all. on: June 05, 2011, 02:28:19 AM
I love talking to my friends, wife, family, and just random people on the Internet about Bitcoin

Oh - and I love that I've discovered an excellent new income at the time we're renovating the house for sale and have a 2-month-old daughter -- our first.  Grin

are you female?

All signs point to "no".
1745  Economy / Economics / Re: BitCoin Bank on: June 05, 2011, 01:21:34 AM
Lots of big banks these days don't pay much in the way of interest, half a percent or so.  And their loan business is crap.  They make money on credit cards and transaction fees.
1746  Other / Politics & Society / Re: most libertarian US states? on: June 05, 2011, 12:43:06 AM
Many US states are libertarian in different ways.  The Free State Project's research is a good starting point.  Just remember that one of their criteria was that they were looking for a small state that could be influenced by an influx of people.  Texas, for instance, is libertarian in a lot of ways.  Michael Badnarik and Ron Paul, Libertarian Party presidential candidates, are from Texas.  But Texas would never be considered ripe for libertarian take-over.
1747  Economy / Economics / Re: Is it correct to call BitCoin a currency? on: June 04, 2011, 10:08:58 AM
Can any legally produced, legal goods still be bartered/traded directly for any other legally produced, legal goods or does everything legally HAVE to go through a middle non-goods utility of exchange?

Yes of course.  What a silly question.
1748  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Are we getting a lot of "eastern world" coverage? on: June 04, 2011, 09:52:18 AM
Ich bin ein Bitcoiner
1749  Economy / Economics / Re: Why bitcoin isn't the answer on: June 04, 2011, 09:46:29 AM
Additionally, the long term conclusions of Marxist theory are not empirically supported.

The long term prediction of Marx was that capitalism would inevitably go through periodic crises as labor became obsolete, and that socialist institutions would be erected as a fig-leaf to allow capitalism to continue even as society as a whole became more and more collectivist.  In my view, long term predictions were the only thing Marx got right.
1750  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What is the average Bitcoin user like in the physical world? on: June 04, 2011, 08:52:36 AM
The average English-speaking website visitor is probably white.  The average internet user is probably introverted.  The average forums poster is probably male.  The average cryptographic financial open source programmer is probably intellectual.  And young people are disproportionately unemployed, so probably post more.
1751  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Are we getting a lot of "eastern world" coverage? on: June 04, 2011, 08:46:44 AM
That's an interesting observation.

e: could be Germans?  (they all get up way too fucking early)
1752  Economy / Economics / Re: wtf @ the current state of the bitcoin economy on: June 04, 2011, 08:45:13 AM
Newbies DO just 'play the fool', because if they will start seriously, bitcoin society will die almost immediately.

The Bitcoin "society" grows in fits and starts.  What happens is that newbies don't jump in right away.  They wait and lurk until they feel comfortable.  Then they see a reason to buy in -- their peers start to do so, or there is some press exposure, or some opportunity, or just general optimism.  Then they all jump in at once, and the price skyrockets.  Rising price triggers early-adopters to cash out, or to make purchases, and new miners to join.  Purchases attract new vendors to open shop.  And the Bitcoin society steadily grows, a little at a time.
1753  Economy / Economics / Re: Screw the economic growth paradigm on: June 04, 2011, 08:35:05 AM
Deflation argument also fails to take into account all the private credit that will arise organically in any free market, as people serve their own currency needs.

That's true, and actually that's what happened over the past decade or so with the derivatives market.  The problem with private credit, though, is that it acts as a 'dark pool' and distorts the value on the open market.  A currency that fails to capture private credit markets fails to give an accurate view of the real economy.  With the dollar, of course, this was by design, since the derivatives represented a bunch of toxic debt that was hidden from foreign investors.  With Bitcoin, no one need worry about this since there is no government telling us that Bitcoin is the final arbiter of value within any particular region in the first place.

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Bitcoin wasn't designed to collapse in a sudden deflation.

Since deflation is the appreciation of the price of Bitcoin in relation to everything else, Bitcoin wouldn't technically 'collapse'.  The threat of deflation is that it would stop being used as currency.  And the risk of this happening is offset by the fact that Bitcoin can be forked, and built upon, and has several competitors.
1754  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Poll: Bitcoin as a backbone to which low-latency complementary technology? on: June 04, 2011, 06:20:23 AM
Hmm I somehow missed this.  Open Transactions seems promising.

"Open-Transactions Financial Crypto System and Bitcoin Integration"
1755  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Dallas meetup group on: June 04, 2011, 04:16:56 AM
I might want to make the trip to Dallas.  One of the projects I'm interested in would be easier to do in Texas, actually.
1756  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Forkless Towncoin Subnet proposal - final sketch - please tear it apart on: June 04, 2011, 03:56:52 AM
C. A higher difficulty matches increased trading.

This is part of what doesn't make sense to me.  You want a lower difficulty, to enable CPU mining.  Yet there will be 10x the number of transactions.  So, that's contrary to your formula C here.

Currently, there is no real per-transaction cost.  It is more of an "all or nothing" type of fixed cost.  You're saying that difficulty should be proportional to the number of transactions?
1757  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin and the Efficient Market Hypothesis on: June 04, 2011, 12:32:14 AM
It is somewhat absurd in the context of any modern economy.  But in the absence of force or fraud, markets tend towards efficiency.
1758  Economy / Economics / Re: Why bitcoin isn't the answer on: June 04, 2011, 12:07:29 AM
One could even show the "price" in the number of hours of work instead: how much time would you have to spend at your data entry job to pay for this sofa?  After all, that's the real price of something, how much time you had to spend at work to afford it.

LOL labor theory of value.
1759  Economy / Economics / Re: Deflation and Bitcoin, the last word on this forum on: June 04, 2011, 12:04:29 AM
I hope you understand that an economy is not proportional to the number of people in it.
On average, it is. Sure, maybe 20% of users control 80% of transactions, but if the number of users double then on average the number of transactions will double accordingly with another 20/80.

Well then I hope you learn that an economy is not proportional to the number of transactions.
1760  Economy / Economics / Re: You cannot talk about Money without watching this movies first on: June 03, 2011, 11:56:12 PM
Imagine a bank lends you some X money to buy your house/car whatever.

they still have those $X in their account because with that they just introduced your mother's house into economy.

Uh-huh.  And, then what happens instead if they lend money to buy a dot-com company, or an insurance derivative, or a house that goes down in value?
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