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1741  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Will people ever get their investment back on USB Erupter ? on: June 19, 2013, 07:42:48 AM
While I won't speculate either way on whether or not these are a good buy, pointing to the likely (much) higher future difficulty is only half of the equation.

A lot of people have already made an absolute killing on bitcoin by mining when others told them they were stupid because it wasn't profitable. A few years ago, when bitcoins cost a couple pennies each, people would run the same numbers and call those that chose to mine incapable of doing basic math.

Don't forget that a lot of people are mining today based on their own assumptions about the future price of cryptocurrency. Sure, the math doesn't look great based on ~$100 per BTC, but what is you assume bitcoin goes mainstream and hits $1000/BTC in a few years? There will only ever be 21 million coins, and it bitcoin becomes say, the internet currency of choice, then $1000 per BTC is quite a low estimate.

that would be fine if the usb miners were purchased in dollars
it would be wrong anyway, since it would have been a better investiment to just buy BTC with those dollars.
1742  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTC-TC] Community Exchange w/ Options, DRIP, 2FA, API, CSV, etc. on: June 19, 2013, 07:38:09 AM
- The account page still uses PIN codes for many account settings, including the password, PIN, and email account changing interface.

Oh, while we are at it... the problem here is that the PIN is totally useless: if they sniffed your password, they most likely sniffed your PIN too, so it doesn't actually offer any protection...

I think it would be much better to remove it completely, since it may offer a false sense of protection to some users, and an annoyance with no benefit for the others...

I'd stick with real 2FAs, maybe adding an email 2FA in case you find the time to code it.
(let me know if you need any help)

Or did I miss something?
1743  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: 2 USB in attesa.. se a qualcuno può interessare!!! on: June 19, 2013, 07:24:49 AM
Il fatto è che questo si è iscritto apposta per vendere. So il nick, e so che è belga  Wink
Se gli metto 300 (Gliene ho offerti 300, 150 prima, 150 dopo, pagamento Paypal) euro sull'unghia e poi questo sparisce sono tutelato da Paypal?
E se tu scappi senza pagare lui che fa?

Sul serio, prima di fare piani, provate a pensarla da entrambe le parti...
1744  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTC-TC] Community Exchange w/ Options, DRIP, 2FA, API, CSV, etc. on: June 19, 2013, 07:22:58 AM
If I start suddenly logging in from China, trust me, something is wrong and BTC-TC should ask me for PIN or something before letting me in.
Even better, lock down my account and send me a e-mail.
This.
Pins are bad, emails are good.
1745  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: Need a $650 USD Loan For 6 Months on: June 19, 2013, 07:06:22 AM
My parents don't want me to get a job.
Now I don't get it any more.

First they want you to manage to get a loan, which is great.

But then they don't want you to get a job, which would provide the money you need... wtf?
1746  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTC-TC] Community Exchange w/ Options, DRIP, 2FA, API, CSV, etc. on: June 19, 2013, 07:04:17 AM
~~ PSA PSA PSA ~~

btct.co accounts are definitely on the radar for hackers.  I just finished replying to a very unhappy user with a compromised account.  (Logs showed logins from China, South Korea, and Japan, all in a 24 hour window.)  It's only the second such case I've heard of over the last 6 months, but that makes two accounts too many.

TURN ON 2FA.
 
mmmh... I have always kept it enabled for trades and withdrawals, and disabled for login, assuming in this case an eventual attacker may do nothing more than just looking at my portfolio... or did I miss something?
1747  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: 2 USB in attesa.. se a qualcuno può interessare!!! on: June 18, 2013, 11:21:13 PM
Volevo offrigli 250 Euro per le 2 USB, 100 Pagate in anticipo e 150 a Merce ricevuta.
Nessuno accetterà mai una cosa del genere.
L'unica è comprare da qualcuno di cui ti fidi.
1748  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: 2 USB in attesa.. se a qualcuno può interessare!!! on: June 18, 2013, 09:56:34 PM
..ai tassi attuali, una usb ti fa in 2-3 giorni quanto ti rende una share in una settimana... una share la paghi oltr 3BTC.......... e recuperi in 3 anni con una share, se è questo il discorso... Smiley
Non tieni conto dell'aumentare della difficoltà.
1749  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Will people ever get their investment back on USB Erupter ? on: June 18, 2013, 09:54:39 PM
I believe between 1-2 years, after that you will make bitcoins. not bad as a hobby with 1 Unit Cheesy but impractical to run serious hash with many of these units for profit
O_o

what you "believe" is completely irrelevant.

Either you can do maths or you can't, and you can't, apparently.
1750  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: 2 USB in attesa.. se a qualcuno può interessare!!! on: June 18, 2013, 09:52:41 PM
..eppure la gente si sta ammazzando per prenderle ai group-buy molto più care di quanto l'ho pagata io...
Più che altro perché sono carine e pucciose, però.
Poi per carità in qualità di azionista AM sono ben contento che vendano...

Personalmente ne voglio un tot ma non mi interessa usarle, dunque il mio piano è di comprarle a pochi spiccioli una volta che non saranno più in grado di minare nulla di utile Grin
1751  Other / Meta / Re: Trolls on: June 18, 2013, 07:40:32 PM
You're an idiot.

If a person starts a thread to sell or auction their belongings or services you shouldn't be trolling that thread and posting competitive products or services in that thread. That's what we are talking about. Go make a different thread with your product. Post it in your signature line etc. but do not troll competitors threads and market your products/services in their thread.

It is called marketing not trolling, I can see you never started a site.

Again, it's not marketing, it's just pure asseholery.

For every customer you gain, many more will blacklist you forever.

Asshole.
1752  Economy / Securities / Re: Why are people buying asic mining shares? are they insane? on: June 18, 2013, 07:32:40 PM
This is not rocket science, it's no different than mining on your own but forced to pay a dividend each week to your brother who gave you the money to buy the hardware initially...as difficulty continue to raise.
Totally wrong.
Since they produce in-house the chips, they can cut a huge part of the costs you would have if you were ordering the hardware from there.
Also, electricity is much cheaper there.
So, BS.
1753  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTC-TC] Community Exchange w/ Options, DRIP, 2FA, API, CSV, etc. on: June 18, 2013, 07:15:13 PM
One thing I would like to see on BTCT is some sort of minimum granularity of prices. Right now, what happens all the time is that someone undercuts (or overbids) your ask or bid order by something silly like 0.01% or even less. So while you have functionally equivalent orders, the other one gets executed first since it's better by a negligible margin. Which means that with volumes being relatively low, you have to constantly babysit your order to ensure that it's at the right spot in the order book if there's one of those jokers going around constantly outbidding you by 1 uBTC.

In the low volume trades that occur on BTCT, these tiny fractions of a % have no meaning, but they serve to frustrate those trying to keep a competitive bid/ask in the books. A minimum granularity of in the price would help a great deal in overcoming this issue as it would force users that want to have the top order in the book to actually beat the current best price by a non-trivial (though still small) amount.
I agree, though of course until this is fixed, I'll take advantage of that...

However I'm strongly against banning bots: it makes no sense to do that, it wouldn't help at all (as burnside already explained).
1754  Other / Meta / Re: Trolls on: June 17, 2013, 02:30:54 PM
I agree it's like dude if you owned a jewelry store and went across the street to another jewelry store trying to sell your items to their customers what do you think would happen?

Free market, man, free market.

Free market my ass.

Free market means you have right to open your thread and customers will chose where to buy, not that you can come in my tread to advertise your product!
1755  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is Memory on: June 17, 2013, 01:45:55 PM
governments (those with the guns/power) can do what they will, logical arguments will not be a part of what they decide to do
anything that threatens the oligarchy will be threatened

It's time we grow a pair of testicles here. You think we should bend over and take regulation as it comes? It will be regulated away in due time if we take this approach. Bitcoin will be taken to the courts. What I'm arguing is that there will be a huge difference in results if we defend it as a currency instead of what it actually is, a system of memory.

mmmm nah this kind of argoment just doesn't work.

it's meant to be a currency, it's used as a currency... then it's a currency.

nitpicking will get you nowhere.
1756  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: mt.gox google authenticator issues? on: June 17, 2013, 12:37:12 PM
wow - thanks Smiley

straight away let me log in! - my phone was a few min fast :S
I had the same problem, this helped.
1757  Other / Meta / Re: Where's the new forum Theymos? on: June 17, 2013, 12:01:54 PM
Seeing as how the forum does not seem to be making use of the money, it might be a better idea to send it to /dev/null and make everyone holding Bitcoin richer.
Technically money "unspent forever" and money destroyed have the same effect on the market.
1758  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: mt.gox google authenticator issues? on: June 17, 2013, 11:46:15 AM
is anyone else having issues with their google authenticator and gox? most of the time i get incorrect code but then it lets me in after clicking teh login button a few times...

i've tried a different broswer and clearing may cache but no luck Sad
Are you sure your phone's clock is fully synchronised?
1759  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Announcement] Block Erupter USB on: June 17, 2013, 11:45:36 AM
That's setup in the photo will probably cost you well over $14,000 and has a total lower net hash than a BFL little single $1,299.
Actually BFL hashpower is exactly ZERO until they ship, which likely will never happen for most units.
1760  Other / Meta / Re: Where's the new forum Theymos? on: June 17, 2013, 10:54:30 AM
How about using basic open source forum software, fork it, select a leader, and create bounties for features needed here.

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Secondly, modifications to SMF are somewhat difficult, and some types of modifications are so difficult that they will almost certainly never be done here. (Other forum software isn't significantly better, from what I've seen.)
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